RE: Rimac C_Two: Geneva 2018

RE: Rimac C_Two: Geneva 2018

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big_rob_sydney

3,394 posts

193 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Hmm, when batteries morph into the next big thing (whatever that is; super capacitors?), it'll have just as much performance, but significantly less weight. These things are already primed for a quantum leap, despite having enough to comprehensively blow the doors off supposed sports cars already.

ICE is a dinosaur. Deader than disco.

Martin 480 Turbo

601 posts

186 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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That looks ace !

dandare

957 posts

253 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Macboy said:
ST565NP said:
ST565NP said:
Rimac recently had 30 million USD investment from a chinese company that makes batteries.
Macboy said:
So, the cost of a bumper redesign for a quality-led mainstream manufacturer then?
Yes, but they desing and produce all by themselfs, they have 2 autoclaves ( " oven" for carbon fibre products ) for making all the components from the smallest to the carbon tub chassis. That is their strenght - possibility of small scale production of highly technological components.
Yeah - but you're saying they've had $30m like its a lot for any tech company making things. It's not. You can seriously blow through $30m like that if you're serious about making things well (ask Mclaren and Aston) and the investment was in the business not in the sideline of making cars. As another poster said, (I'm paraphrasing) you'd have to be mad to give them money for one of these. Certifiably insane IMO.
You're correct, 30 million won't go far in a large company. Large companies are incredibly inefficient (in my experience), so it's easy to make that amount stretch a long way if you're a small company, because you're not paying for the overheads, dead wood, civil servants, etc. Rimac probably has some hard-workers who are enjoying their jobs.

Königsegg manufacture lots of their own parts, because the large suppliers won't get out of bed for the money they want to pay. I expect they produce some very good components for a fraction of the price. It's not that difficult, believe it or not.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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big_rob_sydney said:
Hmm, when batteries morph into the next big thing (whatever that is; super capacitors?), it'll have just as much performance, but significantly less weight. These things are already primed for a quantum leap, despite having enough to comprehensively blow the doors off supposed sports cars already.

ICE is a dinosaur. Deader than disco.
Aye. Not sure what batteries they are using in this but lithium Sulphur based batteries will triple energy density and that's without fancy super capacitors. Those are almost production ready and cheap enough to use on high end vehicles.

modeller

443 posts

165 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Guess who Aston Martin are using for their battery system in the AM-RB 001? They have already made quite a name for themselves.

Vocht

1,630 posts

163 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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I'd highly recommend watching Salomondrin experience of the Rimac Concept 1. (He races his 918 against the concept 1 in later parts of the episode).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBhNEuqRVg

The concept one is a serious serious bit of kit, hugely undersold by the Grand Tour imo. I can only imagine how ballistic this new C_Two must feel.

ST565NP

553 posts

81 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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modeller said:
Guess who Aston Martin are using for their battery system in the AM-RB 001? They have already made quite a name for themselves.
And in Koenigsegg Regera too. And in electrified Jaguar E-Type.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

217 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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Macboy said:
Kinda like a rendering of a Mclaren 12C done from memory by someone who has seen one drive past. Instantly forgettable and without any discernible style of its own. The tech may be interesting (or unfinished and flammable - who can say) but it's achingly dull to look at.
Do you speak like this in person? Oh its achingly dull to look at dear dont you know......

tankplanker

2,479 posts

278 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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Macboy said:
As another poster said, (I'm paraphrasing) you'd have to be mad to give them money for one of these. Certifiably insane IMO.
The sort of person that will buy this the ~£1.7m is pocket money to them and they will already own at least one garage full of super and hyper cars, they won't miss the cash.

As a tech showcase for what Rimac can do this is right out there, it should net them a lot more business with the established car manufacturers. I would love to see what Lotus, Radical or even Morgan could do with Rimac components.

fatbutt

2,631 posts

263 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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The key difference between ICE tech and EV tech is that getting more power from EV stuff is actually relatively easy. Getting more power from ICE is difficult hence why we all go oooh, ahhh when we hear BHP figures; it really doesn't translate to EV. Small axial flux electric motors are readily available and over 300kW (400 BHP) per motor is not unusual. Motors from the likes of EMRAX can be mounted at each wheel so 1200kW/ 1600BHP could be bought off the shelf tomorrow. Hook them to Sevcon drives and off the shelf battery packs and you're good to go.

The batteries are where the clever stuff is, not the kW/ BHP.

RemyMartin81D

6,759 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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Wow. Wow just wow.

More power than the trains I drive in a car.

I'm onboard

ETA the quality of the build looks stunning and the car is a looker. First time I've ever desired anything electrical (car based)

The extinguisher is amazing

Edited by RemyMartin81D on Wednesday 7th March 09:44

simonrockman

6,843 posts

254 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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So performance on a par with the new Tesla roadster and five times the price.

soad

32,826 posts

175 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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Martin 480 Turbo said:
That looks ace !
Quite decent.

neil1jnr

1,460 posts

154 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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It looks fantastic, so much better than the ugly messes McLaren have come away with recently. The figures are simply astonishing and even if acceleration isn't your thing you can't deny that it is ridiculously fast.

It's heavy yes, and it isn't going to corner as well as a McLaren or a Ferrari, but it is lighter than a Chiron.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

98 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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In theory, will it be able to go as fast in reverse, aero permitting?

wst

3,494 posts

160 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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fatbutt said:
The key difference between ICE tech and EV tech is that getting more power from EV stuff is actually relatively easy. Getting more power from ICE is difficult hence why we all go oooh, ahhh when we hear BHP figures; it really doesn't translate to EV. Small axial flux electric motors are readily available and over 300kW (400 BHP) per motor is not unusual. Motors from the likes of EMRAX can be mounted at each wheel so 1200kW/ 1600BHP could be bought off the shelf tomorrow. Hook them to Sevcon drives and off the shelf battery packs and you're good to go.

The batteries are where the clever stuff is, not the kW/ BHP.
Yeah. The motors are completely limited by the batteries. We've got an Emrax motor at Uni for a Formula Student car... it weighs 12kg and gives us potentially 134hp. We should smoke our ICE team on the acceleration test, and they've got history of being quite good at the acceleration test... just got to get the poxy thing built!

ST565NP

553 posts

81 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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Porsche buys 10% of Rimac : " Porsche takes a stake in the Croatian technology and sports car company Rimac "

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-ri...

Mackofthejungle

1,069 posts

194 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Doesn't interest at all. It's just "strap on batteries" engineering, it's not anything revolutionary or intelligent. I suppose it's a bit "early muscle car" in its conception... And sure, it'll be disturbingly quick, but does anyone really care?

I'm very much looking forward to the electric cars I'll own in the future (because god knows I'm bored senseless with the downsizing of engines going on just now) but this doesn't seem like....anything.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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You dig up a 6 month old thread to tell us it doesn't interest you?

redroadster

1,729 posts

231 months

Tuesday 27th November 2018
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Tesla sports car apparently even faster and better looking with a proposed price tag of 150,000 big ones .looking forward to seeing it blow away all the super cars wonder how they will react ?