RE: Rimac C_Two: Geneva 2018

[Mouldy1]

Croatian or Czech?
Two different countries!

[selym]

redroadster said:

Tesla sports car apparently even faster and better looking with a proposed price tag of 150,000 big ones .looking forward to seeing it blow away all the super cars wonder how they will react ?

Better looking? They have a new designer then?

[RobDickinson]

Looks are subjective, I like both the rimac and the Tesla roadster.

The rimac is a lot more fussy though.

[427steve]

I am a real car nut but I cannot understand the point of cars like these.

[J4CKO]

427steve said:

I am a real car nut but I cannot understand the point of cars like these.

Same point as any other car ?

For moving people and stuff about.

[Talksteer]

Macboy said:

ST565NP said:

ST565NP said:

Rimac recently had 30 million USD investment from a chinese company that makes batteries.

Macboy said:

So, the cost of a bumper redesign for a quality-led mainstream manufacturer then?

Yes, but they desing and produce all by themselfs, they have 2 autoclaves ( " oven" for carbon fibre products ) for making all the components from the smallest to the carbon tub chassis. That is their strenght - possibility of small scale production of highly technological components.

Yeah - but you're saying they've had $30m like its a lot for any tech company making things. It's not. You can seriously blow through $30m like that if you're serious about making things well (ask Mclaren and Aston) and the investment was in the business not in the sideline of making cars. As another poster said, (I'm paraphrasing) you'd have to be mad to give them money for one of these. Certifiably insane IMO.

Ok, I'm going to develop a super heavy space launcher for $30m, I will charge you $10 billion per rocket.

The development cost of a complex article generally scales inversely proportionally to how much you are willing to pay for each unit.

If you did a "should cost" of the Rimac 1 I suspect the answer would be that delivered at volume its cost would be ~ $100,000 or around what a Tesla Model S does (marginal cost not including dev costs) plus some carbon. The reason they sell it at $1 million is

1: Someone will pay that
2: All the parts that cost a few $ on a regular car are being hand made at a development cost approaching zero and recurring cost of $100-1000's

The notable example of this is the Tesla Roadster 2 which is very similar in performance to the Rimac but will only cost around $250k because Tesla will be building it at a much higher volume.

$30 million will get you 100 engineers for 3 years, even if you went to a large company they would only have a relatively small team of people (~5) actually designing each system.

If you simply buy that system or make it out of already existing parts, don't care too much about its cost or its durability or being able to make each car promptly and automatically then you can get a lot done on a much lower budget.

[Talksteer]

anonymous said:

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Tesla's issue is that they have scaled up at an unprecedented rate for a company that actually makes something. For reference around $60 million got them to the point of producing the Roadster.

[Talksteer]

RobDickinson said:

big_rob_sydney said:

Hmm, when batteries morph into the next big thing (whatever that is; super capacitors?), it'll have just as much performance, but significantly less weight. These things are already primed for a quantum leap, despite having enough to comprehensively blow the doors off supposed sports cars already.

ICE is a dinosaur. Deader than disco.

Aye. Not sure what batteries they are using in this but lithium Sulphur based batteries will triple energy density and that's without fancy super capacitors. Those are almost production ready and cheap enough to use on high end vehicles.

Lithium Sulphur currently have a short number of charge/discharge cycles and a low max power. Not currently close to ready for usage in a car.

The ones they use on this have a higher power density but a lower energy density than what Tesla use.

Solid state lithium ion is looking more likely in the short term, actual progress is more like 5-8% a year in a very lumpy manner.

[Noodle1982]

Fantastic.

Miles ahead of every production ever produced.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Macboy said:

Kinda like a rendering of a Mclaren 12C done from memory by someone who has seen one drive past. Instantly forgettable and without any discernible style of its own. The tech may be interesting (or unfinished and flammable - who can say) but it's achingly dull to look at.

Its unlicensed computer game super car...Technically probably very good in all the ways that matter, but utterly forgettable to look at.

[dmarkovina]

Mouldy1 said:

Croatian or Czech?
Two different countries!

Croatian.

[RobDickinson]

Mackofthejungle said:

Doesn't interest at all. It's just "strap on batteries" engineering, it's not anything revolutionary or intelligent

This is actually hilarious though.

Rimac is basically a pure engineering company and these cars are a showcase. They have worked with Jaguar, Porsche bought a slice etc.