Dealer supplied MOT, am I right be to worried?
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rallycross said:
Definitely paranoid you sound like exactly the sort of buyer who should NOT be buying cheap runners if you think like that.
My current car came with a 12 month MOT which was useless.
If I get a car from a trader again, I'll ask for it to be MOT elsewhere and that I'll pay the 35 pounds. If they decline, it's because they know it'll fail.
You sound like the sort of person who makes sweeping generalisations on the internet. By extension, I now fall into that bracket too :haha:
GeordieInExile said:
ThunderSpook said:
Paranoid. Why would they pay someone else to do the MOT when they can do it themselves. They’ll also wait until the last minute in case you pull out because of the car then sits there for a month and they like to sell with 12 months MOT they’d have to do it again.
They probably pretty much know it’ll pass already.
Or you get a car with zero advisories like my MINI had, which proceeded to need a new radiator, water pump and head gasket They probably pretty much know it’ll pass already.
matthias73 said:
My current car came with a 12 month MOT which was useless.
If I get a car from a trader again, I'll ask for it to be MOT elsewhere and that I'll pay the 35 pounds. If they decline, it's because they know it'll fail.
You sound like the sort of person who makes sweeping generalisations on the internet. By extension, I now fall into that bracket too :haha:
I'd imagine many sellers of cars would refuse your offer for having it MOT'd elsewhere simply due to the hassle. Unless you're paying top dollar then there isn't enough profit in a car to be messed around.
An MOT isn't a full check of a car anyway, if you have concerns or want to have peace of mind then a proper independant check is the only real answer. Such as one of these...
https://www.rac.co.uk/buying-a-car/vehicle-inspect...
I realise a MOT is not a reliability test, but at least it should be safe and roadworthy which is the whole point. I would like to know that my seatbelt is going to stay attached to the floor in the event of an accident.
Mercky said:
Bangernomics could be quite expensive if you're buying from dealers.
Thanks for the advice, I don't usually go to dealers, only normally for my work car.Two of the second hand car dealers I transport cars for have very different attitudes to their buyers. One is new to the game and is hoping to build a reputation for value, fair play and strong after sales service. The other has been at it for twenty years and gave up with buyers of cheap cars years ago. The former has potential buyers of five hundred pound cars asking if the cars have full service history and can he guarantee the cam belt has been changed. He had a lady drive forty minutes back to the garage in her fifteen year old high mileage car because she couldn't adjust the dashboard clock. He fixed it. A well-to-do couple bought their Jaguar X-type back for a headlight bulb. They drove thirty miles, brought their daughter and son-in-law with them and went for a coffee in the pub next door while the bulb was changed. They stayed there for lunch. The 'free' headlight bulb cost them over £100. On the other hand, if the chap who has been selling cars for twenty years has customers or would be customers whose expectations exceed what he views as reasonable he tells them to f
k off. He claims he has never been taken to court despite threats of action.
Buying old cars is a gamble. Read the dealer. Do you like him? Do you think you could trust him? How is his customer feed back? Is the place busy? If you think he sounds like a gangster or a conman go somewhere else.
k off. He claims he has never been taken to court despite threats of action. Buying old cars is a gamble. Read the dealer. Do you like him? Do you think you could trust him? How is his customer feed back? Is the place busy? If you think he sounds like a gangster or a conman go somewhere else.
DickyC said:
Two of the second hand car dealers I transport cars for have very different attitudes to their buyers. One is new to the game and is hoping to build a reputation for value, fair play and strong after sales service. The other has been at it for twenty years and gave up with buyers of cheap cars years ago. The former has potential buyers of five hundred pound cars asking if the cars have full service history and can he guarantee the cam belt has been changed. He had a lady drive forty minutes back to the garage in her fifteen year old high mileage car because she couldn't adjust the dashboard clock. He fixed it. A well-to-do couple bought their Jaguar X-type back for a headlight bulb. They drove thirty miles, brought their daughter and son-in-law with them and went for a coffee in the pub next door while the bulb was changed. They stayed there for lunch. The 'free' headlight bulb cost them over £100. On the other hand, if the chap who has been selling cars for twenty years has customers or would be customers whose expectations exceed what he views as reasonable he tells them to fk off. He claims he has never been taken to court despite threats of action.
Buying old cars is a gamble. Read the dealer. Do you like him? Do you think you could trust him? How is his customer feed back? Is the place busy? If you think he sounds like a gangster or a conman go somewhere else.
Thanks for the detailed response, he only has 12 Autotrader reviews but they seem good, he seemed alright. The place is a workshop garage that sells on the side it seems, not quite dodgy backstreet but not quite full dealer, probably had around 20 cars for sale. I had a good feeling about him but the delay in getting the MOT has me concerned, I'm probably worrying over nothing. This time tomorrow I'll know anyway.k off. He claims he has never been taken to court despite threats of action. Buying old cars is a gamble. Read the dealer. Do you like him? Do you think you could trust him? How is his customer feed back? Is the place busy? If you think he sounds like a gangster or a conman go somewhere else.
Ron99 said:
KTF said:
Pica-Pica said:
The Gov website lags behind the actual MOT date. Just make sure you have the MOT when you pick it up.
I have been sat in the garage refreshing the MOT site and the result has been online before the guy has come out the workshop.MoT was one of the first of the day and the result was visible on .gov around 10am.
Valgar said:
Hi, earlier on this week I put a deposit down on a little shed money runaround from a dealer and it was to come with 12 months MOT
Naturally they'll supply their own MOT which is already potentially concerning.
So take it for a ticket elsewhere once you collect it.Naturally they'll supply their own MOT which is already potentially concerning.
Valgar said:
Now it's late on Friday, they close Saturday although I'm due to pick it up tomorrow out of hours and as yet according to the Gov website, it currently still has no MOT.
DVSA don't restrict when tickets can be done.Valgar said:
I'm thinking i'm going to get a dodgy MOT because if they do it tomorrow then they needed a part, they would really struggle to get a part delivered on a Saturday.
You're kidding, right? Factors deliver on a Saturday. They're mostly open on a Sunday, too, so somebody could be sent to collect.Valgar said:
Am I just being paranoid or does this sound iffy?
Do you even know it's going to fail and need this mythical unobtainium part?Pica-Pica said:
The Gov website lags behind the actual MOT date. Just make sure you have the MOT when you pick it up.
Not so sure.I was sitting in the kwik fit waiting room (free coffee) for my £25 mot, and was idly checking my car's previous minors when it came up as having another year's mot.
The chap was driving it back into the car park still, so had obviously finished doing it on the computer first.
Also, I doubt a garage can issue mot without logging into the system and incurring a fee from the dvla.
Whether they fake the result..?
Ian Geary said:
Pica-Pica said:
The Gov website lags behind the actual MOT date. Just make sure you have the MOT when you pick it up.
Not so sure.I was sitting in the kwik fit waiting room (free coffee) for my £25 mot, and was idly checking my car's previous minors when it came up as having another year's mot.
The chap was driving it back into the car park still, so had obviously finished doing it on the computer first.
Also, I doubt a garage can issue mot without logging into the system and incurring a fee from the dvla.
Whether they fake the result..?
If the computer's down, it won't be live until it's back up. He can issue the pass on paper until then.
If he does the test, but doesn't do it on the computer there and then, it'll be live when he does.
If your impression of the dealer is of a person who would fake an MOT, then why are you buying a car from him?
Fallback option is to take it for a test elsewhere as soon as possible after purchase, if it fails you can then present the supplying dealer with the fail sheet and ask if he'd prefer to fix the failures or refund the purchase price.
(Most decent car dealers really don't want to deal with the hassle of this, so will not issue "dodgy" MOTs on cars they sell!)
Fallback option is to take it for a test elsewhere as soon as possible after purchase, if it fails you can then present the supplying dealer with the fail sheet and ask if he'd prefer to fix the failures or refund the purchase price.
(Most decent car dealers really don't want to deal with the hassle of this, so will not issue "dodgy" MOTs on cars they sell!)
rallycross said:
This subject of dodgy MOT's come up quite often on PH, it's massively exaggerated
I run a fleet of older cars including a few bangers and I know quite a few MOT testers, for the person who is testing the car, they are effectively opening themselves up to loss of livelihood by passing something that should be a fail (sure enough some wont care but for most this is a massive risk to losing their income and its not worth it for the risk).
This.I run a fleet of older cars including a few bangers and I know quite a few MOT testers, for the person who is testing the car, they are effectively opening themselves up to loss of livelihood by passing something that should be a fail (sure enough some wont care but for most this is a massive risk to losing their income and its not worth it for the risk).
Jonny_ said:
If your impression of the dealer is of a person who would fake an MOT, then why are you buying a car from him?
Fallback option is to take it for a test elsewhere as soon as possible after purchase, if it fails you can then present the supplying dealer with the fail sheet and ask if he'd prefer to fix the failures or refund the purchase price.
(Most decent car dealers really don't want to deal with the hassle of this, so will not issue "dodgy" MOTs on cars they sell!)
Yes, I see what you're saying, but that is one of the dealers' real hates. "I bought this last week, took it to my mate who's a mechanic and he says all these things are wrong with it." Fallback option is to take it for a test elsewhere as soon as possible after purchase, if it fails you can then present the supplying dealer with the fail sheet and ask if he'd prefer to fix the failures or refund the purchase price.
(Most decent car dealers really don't want to deal with the hassle of this, so will not issue "dodgy" MOTs on cars they sell!)
It's a cheap car, it won't be perfect. Get a grip.
One Saturday I was with a dealer when an older chap came in to say he'd bought the car a couple of weeks ago, put it into a garage for their opinion, had all the work done they recommended and here was the bill. He'd bought a six hundred pound car and wanted the dealer to settle a £700 bill. No, mate, you're being ridiculous. Go away. The customer thought he was within his rights and made a scene. I think the guvnor did a few bits to the car but, honestly, if you want a car that behaves like a new car don't buy a cheap old car.
And if you feel you are going to want a second opinion, bring someone with you when you look at the car. Don't take it somewhere else after you've bought it.
My views have changed so radically since I joined the second hand car trade three year ago. Before then my sympathies were exclusively with the buyers. Now I see it from the sellers' side and I have had to change my opinion. Buyer expectations are often ludicrous.
DickyC said:
Yes, I see what you're saying, but that is one of the dealers' real hates. "I bought this last week, took it to my mate who's a mechanic and he says all these things are wrong with it."
It's a cheap car, it won't be perfect. Get a grip.
Sure, but there's a difference between the silliness you describe, and "You sold me this with a new MOT, but it's just failed elsewhere on <list>"It's a cheap car, it won't be perfect. Get a grip.
TooMany2cvs said:
Sure, but there's a difference between the silliness you describe, and "You sold me this with a new MOT, but it's just failed elsewhere on <list>"
Much of what I've found since being on the selling side of the fence has come as a revelation to me. The dealer I mentioned earlier was not a car trader when he set up; he was a salesman but not a car trader. He saw a gap in the market for good after sales service with cheaper cars. In his first year of trading he spent £100,000 with the garage that did most of his MoT work. Eventually, under pressure, he put the cars into a different garage and most of the cars passed. I went to pick one up and asked about this phenomenon: how cars passed here and failed there. "We don't need the work. We're busy enough without failing the cars deliberately. If it's safe we pass it, if it isn't we fail it." When I said about the other garage failing almost everything, the answer was unequivocal, "He's a greedy man." Simple as that. It's the same if you take a car to another garage for a second opinion, if they're slack they'll find things wrong with it in the hope they get the work.The owner of the garage who failed almost everything came to him to complain about losing the work. According to him it wasn't fair. Going to other garages that pass cars just because they're safe? Outrageous behaviour.
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