Slowest "Performance" Brand Car ?
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I witnessed a little traffic light race on my commute this morning. A very red faced gentleman in a Mercedes-benz A180 CDI AMG sport was beaten off the lights to a merge by a Transit Connect quite convincingly, and was quite cross about it and proceeded to weave all over the back of him for the next mile.
The AMG certainly looked very sporting, but I was surprised when I looked it up to discover it did 0-62mph in 11.3sec.
Is this the slowest "proper" performance branded car made by a manufacturer ? BMW seem just as determined to prostitute the M badge.
The AMG certainly looked very sporting, but I was surprised when I looked it up to discover it did 0-62mph in 11.3sec.
Is this the slowest "proper" performance branded car made by a manufacturer ? BMW seem just as determined to prostitute the M badge.
Doesn’t the a180 have the Diesel engine out of a Renault with 107bhp or something? Not surprised the connect beat it.
Bmw put a 101bhp in the 1 Series m sport which will be just as slow.
It’s all about the badge for the least money for these people, or lowest co2 for a company car, so it’s not surprising there’s so many slow fast looking cars around
Bmw put a 101bhp in the 1 Series m sport which will be just as slow.
It’s all about the badge for the least money for these people, or lowest co2 for a company car, so it’s not surprising there’s so many slow fast looking cars around
Integroo said:
AMG-Line is a trim level - it isn't a proper AMG car.
Correct. The car in question is not a "performance" brand car.Better examples would be something like the Fiesta ST150 or the Focus ST170. Not really new examples though, but they still did not live up to their proper ST performance badges today or even at the time of their release.
culpz said:
Correct. The car in question is not a "performance" brand car.
Better examples would be something like the Fiesta ST150 or the Focus ST170. Not really new examples though, but they still did not live up to their proper ST performance badges today or even at the time of their release.
I agree, its not a proper AMG. I think what is most confusing is that it actually looks "sportier" than the A45 which has about 3 times the power, do you not think trim leveling a car in this will result in major brand dilution ? Better examples would be something like the Fiesta ST150 or the Focus ST170. Not really new examples though, but they still did not live up to their proper ST performance badges today or even at the time of their release.
Nickbrapp said:
Doesn’t the a180 have the Diesel engine out of a Renault with 107bhp or something? Not surprised the connect beat it.
Bmw put a 101bhp in the 1 Series m sport which will be just as slow.
At least BMW makes it easy to differentiate between a badged M-sport and a M car. An M car has the M before the model designation (I.E. M4 or M240i) and the performance you'd expect. "M Sport" cars have it after the model designation (I.E. 116d M-Sport).Bmw put a 101bhp in the 1 Series m sport which will be just as slow.
Its a £3000-ish quid option for badge snobs and has zero effect on performance, it's a body kit and interior upgrade.
Howard- said:
Mk4 Golf GTI
Yep. The 2.0 litre petrol version was appallingly slow. The 1.8 turbo with 5-valves per cylinder was actually OK'ish, designated by the red little letter i on the GTi badge.
I had one of these , bought it from new and it really was a bit of a pudding. Build quality was good as were the Leather Recaro's but it was a bit of a pudding all round to be fair.
ExPat2B said:
culpz said:
Correct. The car in question is not a "performance" brand car.
Better examples would be something like the Fiesta ST150 or the Focus ST170. Not really new examples though, but they still did not live up to their proper ST performance badges today or even at the time of their release.
I agree, its not a proper AMG. I think what is most confusing is that it actually looks "sportier" than the A45 which has about 3 times the power, do you not think trim leveling a car in this will result in major brand dilution ? Better examples would be something like the Fiesta ST150 or the Focus ST170. Not really new examples though, but they still did not live up to their proper ST performance badges today or even at the time of their release.
Buzypea said:
I never understood cars like this, all show and no go. Horses for courses though.
I much prefer it the other way around, no sporting pretensions but with plenty of poke under the bonnet.
Fancy being beaten off the line by a Transit connect in an AMG Line Merc. Ha Ha.
Shame my A class would of spat a huge flame out and scorched his bumper I much prefer it the other way around, no sporting pretensions but with plenty of poke under the bonnet.
Fancy being beaten off the line by a Transit connect in an AMG Line Merc. Ha Ha.
ExPat2B said:
culpz said:
Correct. The car in question is not a "performance" brand car.
Better examples would be something like the Fiesta ST150 or the Focus ST170. Not really new examples though, but they still did not live up to their proper ST performance badges today or even at the time of their release.
I agree, its not a proper AMG. I think what is most confusing is that it actually looks "sportier" than the A45 which has about 3 times the power, do you not think trim leveling a car in this will result in major brand dilution ? Better examples would be something like the Fiesta ST150 or the Focus ST170. Not really new examples though, but they still did not live up to their proper ST performance badges today or even at the time of their release.
Us petrol heads are the minority and the realistic truth is that the cars that we want, don't sell by the buckets loads, whereas these models do.
ArnageWRC said:
Efbe said:
fabia vrs from 2003-7
130bhp from a 1.9tdi
But didn't it have decent torque? Something like 230 ib/ft @ 1700 revs....130bhp from a 1.9tdi
With that being said, i think the diesel version was actually preferred to the unreliable twin-charged petrol car that replaced it and gained more of a cult following, despite the on-paper stats.
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