Being charged for not moving (Permit absurdity)
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Just bought a new smoker, and Camden have decided in their wisdom to charge me an extra £61 a year for parking a diesel outside my gaff.
That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
sjg said:
There's been a diesel surcharge for at least 3 years.
It's clearly not working, so should be higher.
Well, just the two in Camden. But it's still not as if this is new news.It's clearly not working, so should be higher.
http://news.camden.gov.uk/changes-to-parking-charg...
It's next-door Islington that was the first, three years ago.
https://www.islington.gov.uk/parking/parking-permi...
So, really, this is "I didn't bother to check the parking rules that apply outside my house before I bought this car. Wah."
Unless this "smoker" is new enough to be Euro6, there's going to be an even more spectacular tantrum when he finds out about the T-charge...
Not helping...
Nothing wrong with diesel provided the car is modern and regularly serviced.
But much more importantly, what is wrong with this picture? The council are just arbitrarily charging for parking. My 1964 classic pumps out more rubbish than this new Volvo, although, to be fair, it pollutes at exactly the same rate when it's parked.
'Just Move', and 'That's Camden for You' is why this mess exists. Is no one challenging the absurdity of this?
Nothing wrong with diesel provided the car is modern and regularly serviced.
But much more importantly, what is wrong with this picture? The council are just arbitrarily charging for parking. My 1964 classic pumps out more rubbish than this new Volvo, although, to be fair, it pollutes at exactly the same rate when it's parked.
'Just Move', and 'That's Camden for You' is why this mess exists. Is no one challenging the absurdity of this?
TooMany2cvs said:
So, really, this is "I didn't bother to check the parking rules that apply outside my house before I bought this car. Wah."
Unless this "smoker" is new enough to be Euro6, there's going to be an even more spectacular tantrum when he finds out about the T-charge...
I did check. The numbers still make sense thanks to the MPG figures.Unless this "smoker" is new enough to be Euro6, there's going to be an even more spectacular tantrum when he finds out about the T-charge...
It is Euro 6
I checked about the T charge and the ULEZ as well.
I have no objection to paying extra for driving a polluting vehicle through a city.
What I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
Bruce Fielding said:
Just bought a new smoker, and Camden have decided in their wisdom to charge me an extra £61 a year for parking a diesel outside my gaff.
That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
I feel your pain bud. I live in Haringey and my permit is going up a similar value to yours but in this case, I have a pre 2001 petrol so it's determined by engine size. In short, it's a quickfire way for the council to make more money and as we pay council and road tax, this makes it very frustrating. The motorist always get shafted remember.That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
The reason we had Controlled Parking Zones installed in the area is because people would drive from miles away and park around the area to get close to the two underground stations, two Network Rail stations and London Overground station to get into town. Not to mention the three buses which serve the West End, Waterloo via Islington, and the City. After arriving home when I used to drive to/from work, I'd have to park one or two roads away before 7.30pm as that's when the commuters would collect their cars for home run.
When the council introduced the CPZ and said it would go by engine size/emissions, I responded by asking why this is the case? I stated that I don't leave the engine running when I'm at work (I use public transport now) or overnight either but they just sort of scoffed at me. I also said that the permit prices should be structured depending on vehicle size as did other residents but Haringey didn't listen. Their minds were made up.
Bruce Fielding said:
I have no objection to paying extra for driving a polluting vehicle through a city.
What I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
How is your diesel vehicle going to get to, and depart from, the parking space?What I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
I think you can only be miffed at the parking charge if you plan to tow it in and out with your Alvis.
Bruce Fielding said:
TooMany2cvs said:
So, really, this is "I didn't bother to check the parking rules that apply outside my house before I bought this car. Wah."
I did check. The numbers still make sense thanks to the MPG figures.What I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
Still, if you don't drive it, there's not much point in having it parked there.
Burgmeister said:
This thread is absurd.
OP reckons his car magically arrives at its parking spot under magical non-polluting power and only pollutes when it's not driving around Camden.
I think Camden want to encourage residents to opt for something that isn't a diesel.
That's a tad convoluted for the OP, it seems.OP reckons his car magically arrives at its parking spot under magical non-polluting power and only pollutes when it's not driving around Camden.
I think Camden want to encourage residents to opt for something that isn't a diesel.
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