Being charged for not moving (Permit absurdity)
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Bruce Fielding said:
I find it fascinating that a pro-car forum like this has so many haters on it.
<scratches head>Nope, not seeing that.
All that's happening is that people are saying "Yeh, this is hardly news - it's been going on for a few years, and really shouldn't be a big surprise. Haven't you heard about the air quality issues in the huge city you choose to live in the middle of, and the push away from diesel?"
Basically...
Parking in London not cheap. Air in London filthy. Hold the front page!
TooMany2cvs said:
<scratches head>
Nope, not seeing that.
All that's happening is that people are saying "Yeh, this is hardly news - it's been going on for a few years, and really shouldn't be a big surprise. Haven't you heard about the air quality issues in the huge city you choose to live in the middle of, and the push away from diesel?"
Basically...
Parking in London not cheap. Air in London filthy. Hold the front page!
See Congestion Charging. That's meant to resolve this issue. Doesn't of course, because it doesn't make London any less congested. It would if they increased the charge, but they can't / daren't for some reason...Nope, not seeing that.
All that's happening is that people are saying "Yeh, this is hardly news - it's been going on for a few years, and really shouldn't be a big surprise. Haven't you heard about the air quality issues in the huge city you choose to live in the middle of, and the push away from diesel?"
Basically...
Parking in London not cheap. Air in London filthy. Hold the front page!
London air is cleaner now than it has been since the 16th century.
Bruce Fielding said:
Just bought a new smoker, and Camden have decided in their wisdom to charge me an extra £61 a year for parking a diesel outside my gaff.
That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
Is it not obvious?!That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
Your argument would work, if both you and your neighbour were just parking your cars outside your houses for the whole year, but presumably you're planning on driving the thing, and as soon as you do, yours will pollute the borough more than your neighbour's car. They want to cut down on emissions in the borough, how else do you suggest they do it (Camden congestion zone?
)?Burgmeister said:
This thread is absurd.
OP reckons his car magically arrives at its parking spot under magical non-polluting power and only pollutes when it's not driving around Camden.
I think Camden want to encourage residents to opt for something that isn't a diesel.
Exactly. If OP never drives his diesel car then he should just sell it OP reckons his car magically arrives at its parking spot under magical non-polluting power and only pollutes when it's not driving around Camden.
I think Camden want to encourage residents to opt for something that isn't a diesel.
Bruce Fielding said:
Plug Life said:
I hate diesel and proud of it.™
Why? On average, engines that run on diesel accelerate faster than petrol (more torque).
They last longer overall life.
They go further per litre
They pollute about the same overall (less refining process).
What's not to like?
2. A well looked after petrol will travel just as many miles in its lifetime as diesel.
3. Agree but also cost more to buy in the first place.
4. They just pollute in different ways.
So what do I not like?....Well....They are generally heavier and thus handle less well than the same model petrol engined car.
The smell of diesel when you have to fill it up is not nice ( subjective I know)
at work driving a diesel van here and funny enough I think diesel is perfect for heavy work, But thats about the only thing diesel engines are good for.
The vehicle isn't subject to the T charge and passes the ULEZ
It's just bloody Camden Council being awkward.
About the only thing that makes Camden less than the best place to live is the damned council.
One way to clean up the air would be to stop all the home deliveries or charge a Tox charge for them... but that's another discussion.
By all means have a Tox charge in Camden, but charge those going through the largest borough in London whilst give the residents a discount, like the Congestion Charge and T charge do.
And 300 lb.ft of torque in a 1.7 tonne vehicle will pull the skin off even my mother's rice pudding!
OK, so it won't perform like the Atom, but it'll get a family and a couple of dogs from A to B in fairly short order.
It's just bloody Camden Council being awkward.
About the only thing that makes Camden less than the best place to live is the damned council.
One way to clean up the air would be to stop all the home deliveries or charge a Tox charge for them... but that's another discussion.
By all means have a Tox charge in Camden, but charge those going through the largest borough in London whilst give the residents a discount, like the Congestion Charge and T charge do.
And 300 lb.ft of torque in a 1.7 tonne vehicle will pull the skin off even my mother's rice pudding!
OK, so it won't perform like the Atom, but it'll get a family and a couple of dogs from A to B in fairly short order.
Bruce Fielding said:
On average, engines that run on diesel accelerate faster than petrol (more torque).
Torque is a force - it doesn't describe any form of movement.Bruce Fielding said:
They last longer overall life.
Circumstantial at best - there are many unstressed petrol engines out-living diesels which have become quite complex over the past 2 decades.Bruce Fielding said:
They go further per litre
True enough.Bruce Fielding said:
They pollute about the same overall (less refining process).
Different pollution - equally horrible in the end.Bruce Fielding said:
What's not to like?
The 4-cylinder rattly taxi sound for a start - unless you have a 5-cylinder engine which is far better in that regard. But also YOU LIVE IN LONDON. Haven't you noticed what everyone in London is talking about?I have a big 3-litre V6 diesel. I don't live in a city. I have off-street parking. I'll never buy another diesel. V8 petrol from now on... until the electrons take over anyway.
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