I am very worried
Discussion
Shiv_P said:
I can see where the OP is coming from, as I am a similar age - but hybridised is quite exciting tbh. The 918, P1, Laf showed that and even the new NSX is supposed to be fantastic as well, enhancing the ICE not detracting from it...
not really affordable though - the s
t the masses will get is what makes it depressing....The Selfish Gene said:
Shiv_P said:
I can see where the OP is coming from, as I am a similar age - but hybridised is quite exciting tbh. The 918, P1, Laf showed that and even the new NSX is supposed to be fantastic as well, enhancing the ICE not detracting from it...
not really affordable though - the st the masses will get is what makes it depressing....
AntiElectric said:
I am a fairly regular member on this board but I have created a new account for this post as I know this might be a little controversial 
It dawned on me in a pit garage a few weeks back, standing behind two race-prepared 328i's, one of which was pouring steam out the exhaust with the team trying to get it repaired for the impending race. Another E46 M3 in a similar position, but no complaints from me - making the most amazing sound from it's heavily tuned S54. This is why I love cars - the fumes, noise. Internal combustion.
So why am I worried you wonder? Because I am 19 years old, and like it or not electric cars are my future and those of my generation.
What will this scene be in 20 years time? Plugging a cable in and sitting with a laptop? Changing batteries? What kind of future is this for enthusiasts? Where is the drama, the theatre, the passion?
Yes, I am sure that your Tesla will destroy an ICE supercar in the traffic light GP. Yes, I'm sure the world will breath better as a result. Yes, I'm sure your little electric motor is 14.856% more efficient than my gas guzzler - but I don't care. For me, the electric motor in a motor vehicle is the nightmare I have always feared. Efficiency, making sense. I don't want my car to make sense, I want to smell it, hear it, have feelings for it.
Why am I worried you ask? I have years to experience ICE?
Yes, I'm sure I do, but how will I finance it? I have 4 more years in education, more years to accumulate enough money from working to be able to afford what? A hybridised modern ICE? A 4 cylinder turbocharged electrified MPG'd ecobox? I don't want that, I want V6, straight 6, V10, V12, V8. I want proper motoring, not this cut down gimped nonsense. Hybrid? Electric? By the time I am 35 the world will have moved on to electric, but I will try my very hardest to not.
So this is why I post this. fk the MPG, fk the £450.67 saving we will make per year. I don't care whether I have to drive a £1500 mondeo shed, a V6 diesel S Class waftomatic; experience proper ICE whilst it lasts. Make it work, because I can guarantee we will sorely miss them once they are gone.
Oh, and for the love of God PLEASE can someone make hydrogen extraction feasible before the Earth succumbs to the joy-killer.
You're confusing Britain with the World. They are two different places, and one is much much bigger than the other.It dawned on me in a pit garage a few weeks back, standing behind two race-prepared 328i's, one of which was pouring steam out the exhaust with the team trying to get it repaired for the impending race. Another E46 M3 in a similar position, but no complaints from me - making the most amazing sound from it's heavily tuned S54. This is why I love cars - the fumes, noise. Internal combustion.
So why am I worried you wonder? Because I am 19 years old, and like it or not electric cars are my future and those of my generation.
What will this scene be in 20 years time? Plugging a cable in and sitting with a laptop? Changing batteries? What kind of future is this for enthusiasts? Where is the drama, the theatre, the passion?
Yes, I am sure that your Tesla will destroy an ICE supercar in the traffic light GP. Yes, I'm sure the world will breath better as a result. Yes, I'm sure your little electric motor is 14.856% more efficient than my gas guzzler - but I don't care. For me, the electric motor in a motor vehicle is the nightmare I have always feared. Efficiency, making sense. I don't want my car to make sense, I want to smell it, hear it, have feelings for it.
Why am I worried you ask? I have years to experience ICE?
Yes, I'm sure I do, but how will I finance it? I have 4 more years in education, more years to accumulate enough money from working to be able to afford what? A hybridised modern ICE? A 4 cylinder turbocharged electrified MPG'd ecobox? I don't want that, I want V6, straight 6, V10, V12, V8. I want proper motoring, not this cut down gimped nonsense. Hybrid? Electric? By the time I am 35 the world will have moved on to electric, but I will try my very hardest to not.
So this is why I post this. f
k the MPG, fk the £450.67 saving we will make per year. I don't care whether I have to drive a £1500 mondeo shed, a V6 diesel S Class waftomatic; experience proper ICE whilst it lasts. Make it work, because I can guarantee we will sorely miss them once they are gone.Oh, and for the love of God PLEASE can someone make hydrogen extraction feasible before the Earth succumbs to the joy-killer.
Shiv_P said:
The Selfish Gene said:
Shiv_P said:
I can see where the OP is coming from, as I am a similar age - but hybridised is quite exciting tbh. The 918, P1, Laf showed that and even the new NSX is supposed to be fantastic as well, enhancing the ICE not detracting from it...
not really affordable though - the st the masses will get is what makes it depressing....then we can keep lightweight, RWD cars alive.............and can you imagine the market for them?
You only have to look at the popularity soar in classic cars, or things like the 911R to see that people actually want manual, lightweight cars that are fun.
This isn't going away - may as well make some money!
Ahhh....the weekly thread where an enthusiast can't comprehend that some people buy cars for pleasure and some people buy as a means to get from A to B.
It's about 20 years until new cars must have some sort of hybrid drive so petrol is not disappearing any time soon. Even then you can still have an ICE.
Supercar manufacturers already make cars that meet the hybrid required 20 years ahead of the requirements, and I doubt you would hate any one of them.
Also you mention hydrogen. Hydrogen cars are EV's. Nobody is developing ICE hydrogen cars.
It's about 20 years until new cars must have some sort of hybrid drive so petrol is not disappearing any time soon. Even then you can still have an ICE.
Supercar manufacturers already make cars that meet the hybrid required 20 years ahead of the requirements, and I doubt you would hate any one of them.
Also you mention hydrogen. Hydrogen cars are EV's. Nobody is developing ICE hydrogen cars.
OP, you're worried about ICE... well fk that, looking further ahead I'm worried about the supply of lithium running out. To that end I've started stockpiling AA batteries in the garage, so when it does run out and the world goes to st I'll still be able to power my mad-max 'esque Renault Twizy across the barren wastelands 
k that, looking further ahead I'm worried about the supply of lithium running out. To that end I've started stockpiling AA batteries in the garage, so when it does run out and the world goes to st I'll still be able to power my mad-max 'esque Renault Twizy across the barren wastelands 
austinsmirk said:
there is a world of difference about race cars or cars to drive with a passion on lovely roads.
then there are cars to just sit in traffic in, ferrying children about.
The answer is to have both and plentiful options
Yep, if ICE is dead, is entirely because of diesel. then there are cars to just sit in traffic in, ferrying children about.
The answer is to have both and plentiful options
Headline MPG has masked the true cost and now the game is up.
Replace diesel with EV and let the small minority who want to stick with ICE drive petrol.
The love affair with combustion that the OP refers to has got nothing to do with diesel anyway, so not sure why you would attack EV when in reality its diesel that's the real enemy.
The Selfish Gene said:
of course - EV has nothing to do with pollution...........as it is actually probably worse for the environment with the battery manufacturing, and the fact the electricity production still has environment impacts - it's just not as obvious
What's obvious is that you are just another clueless Daily Mail reader.The Selfish Gene said:
and the fact the electricity production still has environment impacts - it's just not as obvious
Ffs. I would hope the endless threads may have cleared some if this rubbish. We all know it had an impact, so do our homes, our food. I.e everything!No need to mourn ice cars. They will be around for decades to come and as others have said will be predominantly hobby based.
snotrag said:
Yeah, it's a real shame. Since those horseless carriages became popular in the early 1900s Horses have completely fallen out of favour too. If only there was a massive number of them in use around the world for pleasure, hobby use and sport...
Yeah, but when your horse breaks down and goes to the scrapyard you can get another; because it's not about to be made illegal to make more of them.I love Electric cars, we had a lead for 2 years, and planning another soon. They are the future of A-B travel, no more or less thrilling than the 4 pot diesel estate I drive on a daily basis. The day I don't have to throw £80 a week into a tank and burn it to get to work can't come soon enough
I currently CRAVE a Mustang V8 too, I would revel in shoving £80 of fuel in it, and using it ASAP.
The 2 worlds aren't mutually exclusive.
I currently CRAVE a Mustang V8 too, I would revel in shoving £80 of fuel in it, and using it ASAP.
The 2 worlds aren't mutually exclusive.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff