Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)
Discussion
Fr0dders said:
ReaperCushions said:
See also - Doug Demuro. His videos are so formulaic he might as well be a robot. They are of the most basic production quality and filmed on a simple camera and edited in iMovie. Yet he is one of the most successful out there.
I see this accusation a lot. And it's a daft comment. Why does family guy only ever have this one family ? why does friends keep talking about this same group of 6 people. he has a format, and he sticks to it.Furthermore, have you seen the outcry that popular youtubers have when they change what their channel is about ? StreedSpeed717 has been very open about what sort of numbers he makes, showing his adsense revneue etc.. But the hate he gets when he stops making videos about corvettes is unreal. I saw it too with Woody's gamertag back in the day. Once upon a time he made loads and loads of call of duty videos. Then one day he decided he wasn't enjoying it and stopped. The hate was unreal. Youtubers keep doing the same thing because if they don't people get made. They came to that channel for that content and if it ever stops they lose their mind. Same with AdamLZ and the BMX content when he started making car videos.
Then of course the other problem is the youtube algorithms. Upload daily, and have each video at least 10 minutes or stop getting promoted. Keep making the same content or we'll drop you from the rankings. Youtube is almost forcing people to keep making their same content over and over again because that's what sells. This is why youtubers are setting up second channels to do other things without people getting mad and losing money.
Fr0dders said:
I see this accusation a lot. And it's a daft comment. Why does family guy only ever have this one family ? why does friends keep talking about this same group of 6 people. he has a format, and he sticks to it.
Funny you mention that (about family guy ever only having one family) because on a recent Smoking Tire podcast ep Matt Farrah said the exact same thing. S11Steve said:
AJB1971 said:
I look forward to your discussion on car finance. That segment of the market is one that I have limited knowledge of and I’m sure different rules apply to it.
It's from the 12-minute mark if anybody else wants to listen to Tim's comments -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ESKpi2eyc
Interesting commentary but I would say Brexit is the catalyst rather than cause. Billions in QE, massively ballooned SE property market and a decade of the cheapest funding in history wasn’t going to go on forever.
emicen said:
Must be interesting to live in a world where “peanuts” starts at £175k and “next to nothing” is £185k upwards
Interesting commentary but I would say Brexit is the catalyst rather than cause. Billions in QE, massively ballooned SE property market and a decade of the cheapest funding in history wasn’t going to go on forever.
How much does supply and demand factor when there is a glut of £200k+ cars? Realistically, how big is the marketplace for such a car, and if you had that sort of money to drop on a weekend toy, you are not exactly limited by choice.Interesting commentary but I would say Brexit is the catalyst rather than cause. Billions in QE, massively ballooned SE property market and a decade of the cheapest funding in history wasn’t going to go on forever.
One time it was just one or two Ferraris or Lamborghinis at that sort of price point, but with McLaren, Bentley, Aston & Porsche now churning out cars with extensive options and carbon fibre trick bits, even a few Mercedes are close to that there seems to be a much wider choice at that price point, but are there proportionately as many prospective purchasers?
There's 449 cars between 200-250k on PH classifieds at the moment so I think people can "afford" to be very selective and choosy if they are in that price bracket.
richomk6 said:
Funny you mention that (about family guy ever only having one family) because on a recent Smoking Tire podcast ep Matt Farrah said the exact same thing.
Well spotted Sir 
Was such a great analogy I had to share with others.ReaperCushions said:
Shmee said exactly the same. Idiot.
well that escalated quickly. Given that we agree that seemed unwarranted !Edited by Fr0dders on Tuesday 11th December 12:24
WarrenB said:
lordf said:
While TGE Seems to want to cash in on Tim, STG and JJW...
Funny how he's had countless digs at Tim and James, yet still uses their names to help promote his own videos. TGE TV Tags said:
keywords\":[\"lamborghini\",\"aventador sv\",\"458 speciale\",\"golf gti\",\"tgetv\",\"shmee\",\"gravelwood\",\"seen through glass\",\"supercars\",\"london\",\"jww\",\"huracan\",\"ferrari\",\"exhaust\"
Beefmeister said:
LIkewise, but you could have pre-warned us it was a TGE & Archie video!!!jon- said:
My understanding is that keywords hold very very little weight in overall video rankings, they're too easy to spam.
It's like back in the days when keyword stuffing and link farms were effective SEO. It's legacy stuff now.
YT's algo is pretty easy to mess with for SERPS purposes so they are pretty useful in some regards (not for what you guys do). Theres videos that are four or five years old that still rank on page1 of the serps pages thanks to a bit of keyword stuffing (its not just keywords but location codes and GMB codes that are very useful in this regard).It's like back in the days when keyword stuffing and link farms were effective SEO. It's legacy stuff now.
Linking and stuffing are still part of it, people have just got far better at it and have adapted it to suit how Humming Bird works. Mass link farms aren't much of a thing, as is putting keywords in a background colour, however the signals matrix is still easily manipulated with backing and keyword structuring. PBN networks and hidden links on sites in certain areas have the same effect.
Go and have a read of this, it was a recent contest among some of the SEO's in the states. Makes for some interesting reading.
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-algorit...
Youtube is a bucket elevator of a thing next to RankBrain driven stuff, doesn't mean you can't break either with a bit of prodding. Its just a matter of testing, and knowing that long tail matched content to query is still one of the better ways to rank.
Edited by lordf on Tuesday 11th December 16:44
AJB1971 said:
Tim, I watched your recent garage update video and was interested in your comments about the state of the market. I hadn’t realised that things had changed quite so quickly, although I did expect it to happen at some point.
Without going into too much detail, and this is all personal opinion and not anything professional; the market is in a really bad way specifically at this time with the combination of economical factors facing us, the looming Brexit, plus the important seasonal aspect - very few expensive cars move hands at premium prices at this time of year anyway.jon- said:
Has any other youtuber noticed the huge difference in numbers between the frontend and original backend, vs the new beta backend?
I had a video go live this morning, the front and original backend are saying 5k views, the beta backend is saying 15k! That's a factor of three.
ETA, congrats on 1.5m Tim! I might be a few months away from that still...
Thanks! I've been using the 'Realtime' stats page rather than the live view counter as my internal metric of a video's success for around 2.5 years now I think. The problem with even going by the counter that shows to the public is that it's totally out on every count, and even varies in the rate at which it retains true to the real count from one channel to another.I had a video go live this morning, the front and original backend are saying 5k views, the beta backend is saying 15k! That's a factor of three.
ETA, congrats on 1.5m Tim! I might be a few months away from that still...
Fr0dders said:
Thing is, this reviewer you speak of doesn't exist. The writers here at pistonheads are given these very same opportunities as the youtubers. Look through the articles here at PH and every single one of the car reviews will have been made after the journo had a go in the press car. The front page has quite a few articles that are based upon press releases from car manufacturers PR departments. A lot of the "PH Fleet" will be long term loans of press cars. Only difference is, that PH will write up a monthly article talking about the car as opposed to making a youtube video. Those flashy launch shows you speak of ? Pistonheads writers will be attending those as well. The primary reason those flashy launch shows are done is to invite the media to talk about the cars and come take photos.
This is the way the world of journalism works. Only difference is with the traditional printed / online press with no video content is that you normally don't see it in video form. There is zero reason to treat this material any different to the way you treat the traditional press. Chris harris has talked about the fuss that ferrari will go to in order to ensure their cars do the best in magazine group tests. The ability of websites or magazines to get press cars will very much depend upon their relationship with the press department. The magazines and car websites also rely upon advertising to pay the bills. Look at Pistonheads Youtube channel and how many promoted videos it has on there. It's what pays the salary of all the writers who write for PH. One of the reasons that the traditional print magazines are dying out is because nobody is reading them, so the advertising revenue has gone (as people are now spending it on social media and youtube etc..)
This isn't meant as a negative thing, It's just how the world works, and it goes across all industries not just automotive. Just take everything you ever read with a pinch of salt knowing everybody has to make money somehow, and everybody has to be nice to the PR people to get press cars just like the youtubers do. And by "be nice" I mean be respectful, not lie. The PR departments of these companies are absolutely fine if you can legitimately criticize their products and make a valid point that helps their people find issues and fix them. Just outright dumping on car saying it's horrible won't get you a good reputation with the PR department. But then the smart youtubers aren't either. Go watch the Seen Through Glass video he took at the launch of the 720S. He very respectfully said he didn't like it and explained why. Didn't stop him getting another one later on to drive to the Monaco Grand Prix.
Spot on.This is the way the world of journalism works. Only difference is with the traditional printed / online press with no video content is that you normally don't see it in video form. There is zero reason to treat this material any different to the way you treat the traditional press. Chris harris has talked about the fuss that ferrari will go to in order to ensure their cars do the best in magazine group tests. The ability of websites or magazines to get press cars will very much depend upon their relationship with the press department. The magazines and car websites also rely upon advertising to pay the bills. Look at Pistonheads Youtube channel and how many promoted videos it has on there. It's what pays the salary of all the writers who write for PH. One of the reasons that the traditional print magazines are dying out is because nobody is reading them, so the advertising revenue has gone (as people are now spending it on social media and youtube etc..)
This isn't meant as a negative thing, It's just how the world works, and it goes across all industries not just automotive. Just take everything you ever read with a pinch of salt knowing everybody has to make money somehow, and everybody has to be nice to the PR people to get press cars just like the youtubers do. And by "be nice" I mean be respectful, not lie. The PR departments of these companies are absolutely fine if you can legitimately criticize their products and make a valid point that helps their people find issues and fix them. Just outright dumping on car saying it's horrible won't get you a good reputation with the PR department. But then the smart youtubers aren't either. Go watch the Seen Through Glass video he took at the launch of the 720S. He very respectfully said he didn't like it and explained why. Didn't stop him getting another one later on to drive to the Monaco Grand Prix.
emicen said:
Must be interesting to live in a world where “peanuts” starts at £175k and “next to nothing” is £185k upwards
Interesting commentary but I would say Brexit is the catalyst rather than cause. Billions in QE, massively ballooned SE property market and a decade of the cheapest funding in history wasn’t going to go on forever.
Just to put this back into context, I know it's a joke but in case it wasn't clear, I very much meant that against their new prices not all that long ago. I'm sure the first owners who have lost a lot of money will consider the prices they are having to sell out by those terms!Interesting commentary but I would say Brexit is the catalyst rather than cause. Billions in QE, massively ballooned SE property market and a decade of the cheapest funding in history wasn’t going to go on forever.
Wasn't sure where to put this but two YouTube muppets who used to regularly upload film of themselves breaking into places (building sites, leisure centres etc) or generally being antisocial in shopping centres, bus stations and so on, until they got busted a few times six or so months ago and stopped uploading, were found guilty of aggravated tresspass yesterday after breaking into the Big Brother house a year or two ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
Ally Law and Ryan Taylor will be sentenced in March. Could get prison but likely just large fines.
Guess that finishes off their youtube channels then.
I know they pissed off a lot of companies, the big building site opposite Waterloo Station took out court action and put a whole load of posters up specifically naming them as banned from the area after they went in that site a few times too many, and the National Theatre on the Southbank was none too happy that they entered the Olivier Theatre overnight and climbed all over the stage house / set, potentially putting shows at risk if they had damaged the set or putting the next day's actors/workers at risk if they had loosened something high above the stage.
Always seemed crazy to me to film stuff like that and put it on youtube, incriminating themselves, seems like it took quite a long time for the law to catch up with them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
Ally Law and Ryan Taylor will be sentenced in March. Could get prison but likely just large fines.
Guess that finishes off their youtube channels then.
I know they pissed off a lot of companies, the big building site opposite Waterloo Station took out court action and put a whole load of posters up specifically naming them as banned from the area after they went in that site a few times too many, and the National Theatre on the Southbank was none too happy that they entered the Olivier Theatre overnight and climbed all over the stage house / set, potentially putting shows at risk if they had damaged the set or putting the next day's actors/workers at risk if they had loosened something high above the stage.
Always seemed crazy to me to film stuff like that and put it on youtube, incriminating themselves, seems like it took quite a long time for the law to catch up with them.
kev1974 said:
Wasn't sure where to put this but two YouTube muppets who used to regularly upload film of themselves breaking into places (building sites, leisure centres etc) or generally being antisocial in shopping centres, bus stations and so on, until they got busted a few times six or so months ago and stopped uploading, were found guilty of aggravated tresspass yesterday after breaking into the Big Brother house a year or two ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
Ally Law and Ryan Taylor will be sentenced in March. Could get prison but likely just large fines.
Guess that finishes off their youtube channels then.
I know they pissed off a lot of companies, the big building site opposite Waterloo Station took out court action and put a whole load of posters up specifically naming them as banned from the area after they went in that site a few times too many, and the National Theatre on the Southbank was none too happy that they entered the Olivier Theatre overnight and climbed all over the stage house / set, potentially putting shows at risk if they had damaged the set or putting the next day's actors/workers at risk if they had loosened something high above the stage.
Always seemed crazy to me to film stuff like that and put it on youtube, incriminating themselves, seems like it took quite a long time for the law to catch up with them.
They’re idiots. I know someone who hung with these guys and eventually stopped. Bad news all round. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
Ally Law and Ryan Taylor will be sentenced in March. Could get prison but likely just large fines.
Guess that finishes off their youtube channels then.
I know they pissed off a lot of companies, the big building site opposite Waterloo Station took out court action and put a whole load of posters up specifically naming them as banned from the area after they went in that site a few times too many, and the National Theatre on the Southbank was none too happy that they entered the Olivier Theatre overnight and climbed all over the stage house / set, potentially putting shows at risk if they had damaged the set or putting the next day's actors/workers at risk if they had loosened something high above the stage.
Always seemed crazy to me to film stuff like that and put it on youtube, incriminating themselves, seems like it took quite a long time for the law to catch up with them.
If you watch Ryan’s videos you’ll see complete disregard for anyone but himself and that includes driving too. Drives like a tit.
Prison would probably be good for them. Kill their audience base and income and show them consequences of actions.
kev1974 said:
Wasn't sure where to put this but two YouTube muppets who used to regularly upload film of themselves breaking into places (building sites, leisure centres etc) or generally being antisocial in shopping centres, bus stations and so on, until they got busted a few times six or so months ago and stopped uploading, were found guilty of aggravated tresspass yesterday after breaking into the Big Brother house a year or two ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
Ally Law and Ryan Taylor will be sentenced in March. Could get prison but likely just large fines.
Guess that finishes off their youtube channels then.
I know they pissed off a lot of companies, the big building site opposite Waterloo Station took out court action and put a whole load of posters up specifically naming them as banned from the area after they went in that site a few times too many, and the National Theatre on the Southbank was none too happy that they entered the Olivier Theatre overnight and climbed all over the stage house / set, potentially putting shows at risk if they had damaged the set or putting the next day's actors/workers at risk if they had loosened something high above the stage.
Always seemed crazy to me to film stuff like that and put it on youtube, incriminating themselves, seems like it took quite a long time for the law to catch up with them.
The most shocking part of that BBC article was stating that Dapper Laughs is a comedian. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
Ally Law and Ryan Taylor will be sentenced in March. Could get prison but likely just large fines.
Guess that finishes off their youtube channels then.
I know they pissed off a lot of companies, the big building site opposite Waterloo Station took out court action and put a whole load of posters up specifically naming them as banned from the area after they went in that site a few times too many, and the National Theatre on the Southbank was none too happy that they entered the Olivier Theatre overnight and climbed all over the stage house / set, potentially putting shows at risk if they had damaged the set or putting the next day's actors/workers at risk if they had loosened something high above the stage.
Always seemed crazy to me to film stuff like that and put it on youtube, incriminating themselves, seems like it took quite a long time for the law to catch up with them.
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