Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

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Smiljan

10,772 posts

196 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Where are people getting this lawsuit crap from?

jayemm89

4,003 posts

129 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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It's America. He'll probably get the money for the "material" loss back from his insurer. You think they're gonna happily pay out a couple million? They'll be going after McLaren.

What he will probably sue McLaren for is some sort of endangerment or negligence. America is very vicious when it comes to car failures, for example the people who had GT3s catch fire were compensated over there much better than they were here.

I wouldn't be surprised if McLaren put a stop sale on Sennas (or US bound ones) unless they know something we don't.

JaredVannett

1,561 posts

142 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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PorkRind said:
Llf-chavs and repeatedly asks questions the featured guy the same question over and over.
LLF may have a certain clientele... but I always find myself watching his newer videos. The cars he features are more 'obtainable' and so more interesting to me.

PorkRind said:
Doug demaro - he's ok but waffles on a a bit.
Doug's biggest issue is his delivery. The guy needs to really learn to take a breath and pause after his sentences instead of waffling on and on.
That aside, I agree his content is good.

PorkRind said:
Arxhie Hamilton seems. Like a spoilt brat but he's obviously from money and had an actual racing career.
He's pretty much the only vlogger I can't stand... absolute tt.

gashead1105

558 posts

152 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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@jayemm89 - I got the impression from your most recent Fiesta ST video that, notwithstanding the interior improvements, you actually thought the last version was more fun. Current version being perhaps a better everyday car to live with, last one being more laugh out loud. Am I wrong?

Incidentally, once you live with the last ST for a week for so, the 'unfathomable' buttons become second nature...

Streetrod

6,468 posts

205 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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It will be interesting to see what Salomondrins insurance pays out as he paid $500k over list to get that car from its original owner as Mclaren would not sell him one originally.

Plus, and please excuse my ignorance, but as the second owner can he still sue Mclaren and what for exactly? Cars break all the time and on occasion catch fire, speak to any Porsche or Lambo owner

jayemm89

4,003 posts

129 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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gashead1105 said:
@jayemm89 - I got the impression from your most recent Fiesta ST video that, notwithstanding the interior improvements, you actually thought the last version was more fun. Current version being perhaps a better everyday car to live with, last one being more laugh out loud. Am I wrong?

Incidentally, once you live with the last ST for a week for so, the 'unfathomable' buttons become second nature...
I would need to A/B them however in my first video, as it was genuinely my first exposure to the car, my surprise comes across more clearly.

If you liked the first you'll like the new one, but it almost felt like a facelift and not a new model (mechanically it probably is just that)

AstonV

1,563 posts

105 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Smiljan said:
Where did you see this?
I don't have Instagram, but supposedly has posted he may.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c57Q6LCzYg8

AstonV

1,563 posts

105 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Streetrod said:
It will be interesting to see what Salomondrins insurance pays out as he paid $500k over list to get that car from its original owner as Mclaren would not sell him one originally.

Plus, and please excuse my ignorance, but as the second owner can he still sue Mclaren and what for exactly? Cars break all the time and on occasion catch fire, speak to any Porsche or Lambo owner
Sounds like he is suing over PTSD, doubt it will work. Selling all his cars, sounds more like he is in deep with no $.

Maybe the car was not insured or insurance doesn't want to pay out.

Lot of things not making sense here.

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Streetrod said:
It will be interesting to see what Salomondrins insurance pays out as he paid $500k over list to get that car from its original owner as Mclaren would not sell him one originally.

Plus, and please excuse my ignorance, but as the second owner can he still sue Mclaren and what for exactly? Cars break all the time and on occasion catch fire, speak to any Porsche or Lambo owner
Why would he sue McLaren? As you said, why? That's why you have insurance. The insurance company will deal with third parties. It's called Subrogation

The car was most likely financed, in which case it's standard to have full insurance for the price paid. If it was purchased outright only an idiot would insure it for RRP. All policies 'ask' what you paid. You can also have an agreed market value if you think it will go up.

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jon-

16,496 posts

215 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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AstonV said:
Sounds like he is suing over PTSD, doubt it will work. Selling all his cars, sounds more like he is in deep with no $.

Maybe the car was not insured or insurance doesn't want to pay out.

Lot of things not making sense here.
The final sentence is all we can be sure of. He's been distancing himself from other yuotubers of late and getting very weird. Not sure how he could be out of money though as his YT income was crazy last time I heard figures.

jayemm89

4,003 posts

129 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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jon- said:
The final sentence is all we can be sure of. He's been distancing himself from other yuotubers of late and getting very weird. Not sure how he could be out of money though as his YT income was crazy last time I heard figures.
I bet when Michael Jackson walked into an art gallery and casually bought ten million dollars worth of paintings nobody realised he was nearly broke either?

jas xjr

11,309 posts

238 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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egor110 said:
Anyone seen stubhubs latest trilogy ?

Taken his 2cv from wales up to Scotland and up the highest pass then done tan hill on the way back to wales .

2cv's aren't my thing but his stuff does make a refreshing change to the normal vidoes of the same cars we see.
Do you mean hubnut? More my kind of videos than supercar ones

Smiljan

10,772 posts

196 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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AstonV said:
Smiljan said:
Where did you see this?
I don't have Instagram, but supposedly has posted he may.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c57Q6LCzYg8
Nope, haven't seen him post that he's suing McLaren on Instagram (BTW you don't need to "have" Instagram, it's also a website https://www.instagram.com/salomondrin/?hl=en ) also that youtube video is speculation fuelling more speculation in the comments of the video. He doesn't say anything about suing McLaren.

I may have missed something but no evidence of a lawsuit so far.

ReaperCushions

5,951 posts

183 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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GiveItSomeWellie said:
st happens, move on to the next thing and be thankful you and your passengers were able to evacuate safely.
Yes, you're right... it may be someone else's fault/negligence so why not just write off $1.5m+ and call it a day.... great idea.

If someone is at fault (Manufacturer for example) then they deserve a law suit.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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waremark said:
Shmee featured the same car 3 years ago.
That's nice - you're his Dad, right?

Is there a part in Shmee's video which captures the utter love for hoon as 12:20?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZXbv6OqFXo&t=...

e46m3Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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CooperS said:
DannyScene said:
GiveItSomeWellie said:
DannyScene said:
Tbf you cant blame him for wanting to pursue McLaren after his brand new massively expensive 'hypercar' burst into flames with him and his wife sitting in it
st happens, move on to the next thing and be thankful you and your passengers were able to evacuate safely.

I don't see how filing a lawsuit for $$$ is going to solve the fact he's now scared to drive.
Quite obviously the lawsuit won't solve that and I'm not sure anyone has suggested it will?

If I'd just spent the cash Alejandro had I'd be doing the same I reckon and at the very least I'd be wanting to know exactly what caused it
But isn't that what insurance is for? To cover the material loss.

What he will be filling a lawsuit is to cover his losses at not being unable to work.... i say work but that appears to be a landlord, a presenter of Youtube Vlogs and some small start up stuff......

I have come to dislike the guy and this just screams of someone taking an opportunity to make money.
Make money, or simply get what he's due? McLaren have a duty to make sure this isn't something that could happen again and litigation can help make sure any investigation is transparent and allays any fears other owners may have. Not to mention litigation is simply more prevalent in the US anyway.

AstonV

1,563 posts

105 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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KHK said:
I don't feel bad for salomondrin, guys a prick and I lost all respect for him after the effspot incident. In regards to insurance, my guess is the Senna was probably financed so most likely it would have full coverage.
Full coverage yes, but the insurance and Mclaren will do a thorough investigation. Insurance is not going to automatically pay out a million dollars. And then there is that little problem of the additional $500,000.

Yes I watched the Effspot video, what a frivolous law suit. Salomondrin is not a good guy, that's for sure.

WarrenB

2,374 posts

117 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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This whole Salomondrin Senna thing, has it been proven that it was actually a mechanical issue that caused the fire? Or could it have been something as simple as few dry leaves being sucked up with the aero, getting stuck somewhere and burning? Or even sabotage?

Shmee

7,565 posts

212 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Here's an interesting YouTube insight that most won't necessarily know about.

I pushed a video live at 18:00 this evening that featured my Heritage RS, not a particularly snappy one I will happily confess but at the exact same upload time on YouTube there was a video from Salomondrin titled "THIS IS WHY IM SELLING MY SPORTS CARS" and also from TGE "I FINALLY BOUGHT AN ASTON MARTIN!!" - both of course being quite clearly interesting and attractive in the sense of their content to a wide audience.

There are two aspects that are relevant to know in advance of this; firstly if you imagine the subscribers and audience here we are talked a huge crossover for car channels. I think if you drew a Venn diagram for all the channels you know, there would likely be a disturbingly high crossover and circles within others. The second is that the algorithms have recently become immensely engagement driven, and therefore the initial views you kick off with have a huge impact on what happens to that video down the line.

Normally this wouldn't be a problem, but when it's your business model this is one of the most significant issues and concerns when you don't know what's happening in advance. The result for me is that with no prior knowledge of the videos dropping, a video that I would have expected to get 15k views or more in the first hour ends up with a miserable 5-6k. If you extrapolate this out it probably changes it from 150k in 24hrs, to 60k instead and that's quite damaging in terms of the reach of that specific content which had time and money invested to make it, the algorithm around the channel in general for the next content that follows, and in some way that can't be specifically determined the damage in perception of the channel having a video not performing well.

The most frustrating part of it is that you cannot predict this kind of thing, you can't control it, and then there is absolutely nothing you can do about it when it happens. Of course no two videos are normally identical in structure and there are varying amounts of effort put into their planning, filming and editing, but the reality is the result can be directly influenced in a dramatic way based purely on another big channel going live with something more interesting at the same time. I was trying to relate this to TV but I think it's more predictable when you have the schedules for various outlets at the same time, but on YouTube everybody chops and changes and doesn't distribute this information in advance.

Perhaps it's a little bit of a rant on my behalf, but I figured this might actually be of interest to some readers of this thread as to the workings behind the scenes and how it's much more of an actual business running a YouTube channel than most realise.

Digger

14,588 posts

190 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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. . . . but doesn't this balance out later in the weekend (in this example) when your regular viewers catch up with your video. Presumably Sal and TGE also experience a slight drop in initial views for similar reasons?!

I don't know what the fuss is about tbh. wink
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