Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)
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There are multiple complications to this, and it's frequently discussed amongst regular drivers of the Ring.
Road cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage. If your car has an exposed roll cage in reach of your head though, then always wear a helmet for obvious reasons, that's something pretty solid you could hit and that's where disaster strikes. If you're wearing a helmet in a car, then with the added weight on your neck you should also wear a Hans, except because the Ring is a toll road and not a race track, you actually are not allowed to do that. It is considered by most drivers there that in the absence of being allowed to wear a helmet and Hans combination, it is safer to not do so in most potential instances.
There is no right answer, other than taking no risks and living life in a padded room and never taking a step outside.
Road cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage. If your car has an exposed roll cage in reach of your head though, then always wear a helmet for obvious reasons, that's something pretty solid you could hit and that's where disaster strikes. If you're wearing a helmet in a car, then with the added weight on your neck you should also wear a Hans, except because the Ring is a toll road and not a race track, you actually are not allowed to do that. It is considered by most drivers there that in the absence of being allowed to wear a helmet and Hans combination, it is safer to not do so in most potential instances.
There is no right answer, other than taking no risks and living life in a padded room and never taking a step outside.
Conversely, I saw an instructor at a North American Porsche trackday who was outraged at the fact that all the cars attending didn't have full cages, he didn't seem to understand that a full cage can do a lot of damage in the wrong situations (eg. on the road without a helmet).
I've had a smack from a roll cage once before when wearing a helmet, you certainly remember it!
I've had a smack from a roll cage once before when wearing a helmet, you certainly remember it!
SL22 said:
In an interesting turn of events it seems that TGEs video that was being discussed a few pages back (JE running around after the diamond Lambo in London) has gone viral (at least for him). Hitting 430k views in 5 days and looks to be his 3rd highest ever viewcount on a video!
Obviously because there's a woman in it .I am also an advocate for wearing a helmet on the track. I drive prototype cars on the Ring (developing the airbag deployment funnily enough) and I wear a helmet and race suit.
Shmee said:
Road cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage.
Exactly. Airbags are designed for normal road conditions. Not 100+mph.OD220 said:
I am also an advocate for wearing a helmet on the track. I drive prototype cars on the Ring (developing the airbag deployment funnily enough) and I wear a helmet and race suit.
If I ever went to the Ring I think I'd wear a helmet too. Whilst I don't have a cage my car is stripped out so the first thing you'll hit is bare metal. Shmee said:
Road cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage.
Exactly. Airbags are designed for normal road conditions. Not 100+mph.With regards to driving prototype cars on the Ring, when Misha does a video showing what's going round I would guess you could be driving one of them? Would love to drive prototypes on the Ring for a living!
Shmee said:
There are multiple complications to this, and it's frequently discussed amongst regular drivers of the Ring.
Road cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage. If your car has an exposed roll cage in reach of your head though, then always wear a helmet for obvious reasons, that's something pretty solid you could hit and that's where disaster strikes. If you're wearing a helmet in a car, then with the added weight on your neck you should also wear a Hans, except because the Ring is a toll road and not a race track, you actually are not allowed to do that. It is considered by most drivers there that in the absence of being allowed to wear a helmet and Hans combination, it is safer to not do so in most potential instances.
There is no right answer, other than taking no risks and living life in a padded room and never taking a step outside.
A toll road that was designed and built as a race track and has fast blind crests, armco with little run off and a surface which varies hugely in places. Road cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage. If your car has an exposed roll cage in reach of your head though, then always wear a helmet for obvious reasons, that's something pretty solid you could hit and that's where disaster strikes. If you're wearing a helmet in a car, then with the added weight on your neck you should also wear a Hans, except because the Ring is a toll road and not a race track, you actually are not allowed to do that. It is considered by most drivers there that in the absence of being allowed to wear a helmet and Hans combination, it is safer to not do so in most potential instances.
There is no right answer, other than taking no risks and living life in a padded room and never taking a step outside.
At the end of the day safety equipment is there to reduce risk and certainly won't remove it all together, so the padded room analogy isn't really applicable. Yes, it is possible that a helmet could cause neck injury (in some cases) but the suggestion that it is safer not to wear one in most instances is simply untrue, especially with modern helmets that are far lighter and stronger than they were. It comes down to personal choice though I suppose.
Enjoyed seeing an E92 M3 (albeit supercharged) vs GT2RS at Knockhill with Vehicle Villains. Just wish Knockhill wasn't so bloody far away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs0LJcQK7lI&t=...
MrJWW's review of the 1M was a good watch too. I really like his modern classics videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jze8xJcvT34&t=...
Edited by e46m3Mark on Thursday 18th April 11:01
OD220 said:
Cold said:
OD220 said:
Exactly. Airbags are designed for normal road conditions. Not 100+mph.
Really? Is that why no road car can go at 100+mph?johnwilliams77 said:
OD220 said:
The cars are designed to meet the safety legislation of the markets they are sold in. The Vmax of the car is irrelevant.
Like Germany then?If you are interested in what safety tests your vehicle is validated to, I suggest the Euro NCAP website. https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-rat...
Edited by OD220 on Thursday 18th April 11:14
OD220 said:
Do you think Ferrari crash test the GTC4 Lusso at 320kph?
If you are interested in what safety tests your vehicle is validated to, I suggest the Euro NCAP website. https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-rat...
Calm down If you are interested in what safety tests your vehicle is validated to, I suggest the Euro NCAP website. https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-rat...
Edited by OD220 on Thursday 18th April 11:14
sunday83 said:
OD220 said:
Do you think Ferrari crash test the GTC4 Lusso at 320kph?
If you are interested in what safety tests your vehicle is validated to, I suggest the Euro NCAP website. https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-rat...
Calm down If you are interested in what safety tests your vehicle is validated to, I suggest the Euro NCAP website. https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-rat...
Edited by OD220 on Thursday 18th April 11:14
sunday83 said:
OD220 said:
Do you think Ferrari crash test the GTC4 Lusso at 320kph?
If you are interested in what safety tests your vehicle is validated to, I suggest the Euro NCAP website. https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-rat...
Calm down If you are interested in what safety tests your vehicle is validated to, I suggest the Euro NCAP website. https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-rat...
Edited by OD220 on Thursday 18th April 11:14
I love that that's your first ph comment. Very apt.
Shmee said:
There are multiple complications to this, and it's frequently discussed amongst regular drivers of the Ring.
Road cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage. If your car has an exposed roll cage in reach of your head though, then always wear a helmet for obvious reasons, that's something pretty solid you could hit and that's where disaster strikes. If you're wearing a helmet in a car, then with the added weight on your neck you should also wear a Hans, except because the Ring is a toll road and not a race track, you actually are not allowed to do that. It is considered by most drivers there that in the absence of being allowed to wear a helmet and Hans combination, it is safer to not do so in most potential instances.
There is no right answer, other than taking no risks and living life in a padded room and never taking a step outside.
Hence why if you have a full rollcage it’s pretty sensible to get the full bucket seat with wrap around head protection so in a worst case scenario your head hits the seat not the cageRoad cars are designed with airbags etc to operate based on normal usage. If your car has an exposed roll cage in reach of your head though, then always wear a helmet for obvious reasons, that's something pretty solid you could hit and that's where disaster strikes. If you're wearing a helmet in a car, then with the added weight on your neck you should also wear a Hans, except because the Ring is a toll road and not a race track, you actually are not allowed to do that. It is considered by most drivers there that in the absence of being allowed to wear a helmet and Hans combination, it is safer to not do so in most potential instances.
There is no right answer, other than taking no risks and living life in a padded room and never taking a step outside.
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