Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

[PorkInsider]

kiethton said:

p1stonhead said:

kiethton said:

Meridius said:

Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.

Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etc

Tight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?

Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)

Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this

You seem to care a lot about defending a random bloke on a driving video who is clearly taking the piss on a public road...

He was far from taking the piss - try looking up one of the of-quoted piss take channels (DMO/LLF/SS)

I'm not Joe, just a bloke that lieks to head out into the countryside and drive (safely but with regard for speed appropriate with the conditions, not a random, reduced number on a stick) that's hugely frustrated at the direction this is going and the faux social/media outrage this story is generating (including on here) and the future direction of travel.

The stupidity for me is doing it on Snake Road which anyone who knows it well will tell you is a recipe for coming unstuck, either by plod's intervention, or the scenery's, or other traffic's.

It's very well known as a bad place to 'press on' and you'd think he'd have looked into that beforehand.

In years gone by it was great for a Sunday morning run on the bikes, or in quick cars, but those days have gone unless you're willing to accept the risk.

[jayemm89]

Oooh, Harry is doing a Ford GT. That's my evening's entertainment sorted

[Koolkat969]

jayemm89 said:

Oooh, Harry is doing a Ford GT. That's my evening's entertainment sorted

+1

[S11Steve]

Subtitle fail....

[WarrenB]

Craig_89 said:

Watched an interesting chat between Paul Wallace and Sam Moores. It's seems Paul is fully aware of the issues with his channel and is working on things in the background to increase the production quality.

Hope it works for him as he needs a change to get the channel going again.

Been listening to that today, really interesting listen!

[Craig_89]

WarrenB said:

Craig_89 said:

Watched an interesting chat between Paul Wallace and Sam Moores. It's seems Paul is fully aware of the issues with his channel and is working on things in the background to increase the production quality.

Hope it works for him as he needs a change to get the channel going again.

Been listening to that today, really interesting listen!

Paul's decision to abruptly drop the drifting idea makes sense from a business view, he can't live off £40 for a day's video when others are offering to pay him £1500 for a day of other content. Seems like he still wants to go drifting though but on a more affordable scale.

Quite a few things he mentioned now make sense in terms of his channels direction and lack of road trips, he seemed quite honest of the fact that he struggles with content and wants to improve but needs help. I don't think Sam and Tim being away like they have this year has helped him. Shame the Merci will eventually go but with all his money tied up in it preventing him from moving the channel forward it makes business sense to sell when it's ready.

[TheAngryDog]

crosseyedlion said:

p1stonhead said:

Bubba Zanetti said:

p1stonhead said:

Guesses on the speed at the start of this video?

These guys are fking idiots.

https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg

That guy driving (Tom) is a former Porsche GB Carrera Cup driver. While he might have the talent you'd think he'd have the brain not to drive like that on the public road.

That was my exact train of thought. He should know better.

Certainly reflects badly on him and his business in my opinion. Most people who spend a lot of time on track tend to be pretty mellow/controlled drivers on the road, he's pretty unusual.

I don't think it will harm him much, in fact it may even increase business. The type of person who watches and enjoys content from llf are going to keep wanting more of it, and when they get to an age were they can buy a car they will look to use companies like this, cos they're sick, innit.

[Gary29]

jayemm89 said:

Oooh, Harry is doing a Ford GT. That's my evening's entertainment sorted

Watched it earlier, lovely way to spend half an hour. And what a car!

[BlackLabel]

E36Dan said:

I came to that conclusion a while ago so nuked everything with any dodgy road driving. I always thought it would be quite easy for someone to build up a case against me having a driving license.

Was kinda looking forward to the Daily Mail article though. I hope they do one on Joe for the lols, always funny how the DM reports on things.

ETA: The DM article is already up!

Mail said:

He then shared it online where it was noticed by the Derbyshire Constabulary’s Roads Policing Unit. They teamed up with Road Safety Support's technical manager Steve Callaghan who worked out Achilles speed.

I bet Steve is fun at parties.

Feel sorry for Joe - he clearly does the whole YouTube thing because of his passion for cars and not money - I mean he doesn't get a lot of views (which is a shame as his car reviews are really good imo) so I assume his income from YouTube is next to nothing and he obviously puts in a lot of hours making and editing videos - 3 penalty points on his licence should have been enough here not 6.

[Kev_Mk3]

p1stonhead said:

Guesses on the speed at the start of this video?

These guys are fking idiots.

https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg

Rednal Kart track

http://www.rednalkarting.co.uk/

Bloke nearly stuffed it. What a utter bellend doing that on public roads

[AlexNJ89]

It's just dawned on me that Joe Achilles is a chauffeur for a living. It's actually insanely costly for him to lose his license.

[smithyithy]

AlexNJ89 said:

It's just dawned on me that Joe Achilles is a chauffeur for a living. It's actually insanely costly for him to lose his license.

You could say it's his.... Achilles Heel..

[red_slr]

Gary29 said:

jayemm89 said:

Oooh, Harry is doing a Ford GT. That's my evening's entertainment sorted

Watched it earlier, lovely way to spend half an hour. And what a car!

Yep that's how to do a car video. Proper walk round, proper show of the details and the technical details then a drive by someone who can actually explain how the car feels.

[Bubba Zanetti]

AlexNJ89 said:

It's just dawned on me that Joe Achilles is a chauffeur for a living. It's actually insanely costly for him to lose his license.

So probably not the wisest move to film yourself driving spiritedly on the public road. As I've said previously compared to others he's pretty tame/sensible. I'm just hoping they catch up with those YouTubers that are quite frankly driving like lunatics.

[trowelhead]

smithyithy said:

You could say it's his.... Achilles Heel..

[PorkInsider]

Bubba Zanetti said:

So probably not the wisest move to film yourself driving spiritedly on the public road. As I've said previously compared to others he's pretty tame/sensible. I'm just hoping they catch up with those YouTubers that are quite frankly driving like lunatics.

Agreed. I like watching some of Joe's content as he doesn't seem to be aiming for the child audience like some of them do - like that cretin who keeps saying 'oh my days!', whatever the hell thats meant to mean, while doing outrageous things on public roads.

[MDL111]

There is an (imo interesting) article on Bloomberg re automotive influencers

[Japveesix]

MDL111 said:

There is an (imo interesting) article on Bloomberg re automotive influencers

Ew, Seb Delanney and SupercarBlondie, two of the biggest bellend influencers around.

It doesn't mention that Seb's 700 ideas that he worked so hard to come up with are actually about 3 or 4 ideas repeated and flogged to death over and over until his horrible channel almost died.

[Japveesix]

MDL111 said:

There is an (imo interesting) article on Bloomberg re automotive influencers

Ew, Seb Delanney and SupercarBlondie, two of the biggest bellend influencers around.

It doesn't mention that Seb's 700 ideas that he worked so hard to come up with are actually about 3 or 4 ideas repeated and flogged to death over and over until his horrible channel almost died. So he started a scam business instead and used his 'influence' to push it into a load of impressionable youngsters.

[AJB1971]

MDL111 said:

There is an (imo interesting) article on Bloomberg re automotive influencers

Yes, I thought so, too.

The link is here for anybody else wanting to read the article -
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-25...

They didn’t like the fact that Tim refused an interview request. At least that’s the way it comes across from this -
“Tim is absolutely flat-out busy with the creation of content for his YouTube channel,” Burton’s assistant wrote in reply to an interview request, noting it would take six months before Shmee had an opening in his schedule for a phone call. “It is part of the life of an influencer: never time and always lived by the algorithms of YouTube.”