Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

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J4CKO

41,286 posts

199 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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p1stonhead said:
slowcars1 said:
J4CKO said:
kiethton said:
p1stonhead said:
kiethton said:
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etc

Tight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?

Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)

Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
You seem to care a lot about defending a random bloke on a driving video who is clearly taking the piss on a public road...
He was far from taking the piss - try looking up one of the of-quoted piss take channels (DMO/LLF/SS)

I'm not Joe, just a bloke that lieks to head out into the countryside and drive (safely but with regard for speed appropriate with the conditions, not a random, reduced number on a stick) that's hugely frustrated at the direction this is going and the faux social/media outrage this story is generating (including on here) and the future direction of travel.
The R8 vid didnt look that dramatic but the M240i one had my heart in my mouth, he nearly binned that, racing driver or not.

I have a fairly high threshold for car speed fkwittery compared to most of the public, but that just seemed mental, Ricky is used to trolling round folk with modified cars and getting on it, he was absolutely papping himself and wanting it to stop.

Its funny how racing drivers are regarded as better drivers, but I wonder what the insurance risk as a job, if you put that down as your occupation is compared to an office worker ? over the years they do seem to, as a breed find lots of opportunities for managing to kill themselves. Will obviously have better car control than the average driver, better reactions (possibly) but does the title cause them to write more cheques their skill can actually cash.
100%. That must have been 100+mph no question at the start of the video on that small B road. There is a moment where the back unsettles and the driver gets back on the power to stablize the car where you really get a sense for the speed they were doing. You have to be going very fast to get the car unsettled in the way they did.
Way above 100mph I reckon. The m240i is flipping fast as stock even. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was 120
Yep, my own similar vehicle has approximately half of the quoted power that has and it piles on speed very quickly, pretty much doubling it means it must be very, very accelerative.

I fin the scale of the performance is at odd with the scale of the roads and surroundings, you either hold back which is frustrating or gain more speed, whatever you do to the engine, the roads don't get any wider and even with other upgrades the handling and braking wont improve by the same margin. Plus, personally my skills don't improve by the same percentage as the power upgrade. Physics is a bh !

Potential engine power has got utterly, sort of feels a good thing but not really sure what question is a 700 bhp 2 door BMW coupe is answering, getting on for two Lotus Carltons worth of power in a smaller, lighter car you can pick up for 20 grand and then spend a few quid on and have Supercar levels of power. Finance it for not much a month, its great that nice cars are accessible but read the Youtube comments, scary to think some folk will be getting stuff like that.







95JO

1,913 posts

85 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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J4CKO said:
Potential engine power has got utterly, sort of feels a good thing but not really sure what question is a 700 bhp 2 door BMW coupe is answering, getting on for two Lotus Carltons worth of power in a smaller, lighter car you can pick up for 20 grand and then spend a few quid on and have Supercar levels of power. Finance it for not much a month, its great that nice cars are accessible but read the Youtube comments, scary to think some folk will be getting stuff like that.
Back that up by reading some of the posts on the various "M Lite" forums and you'll see true "council" folk financing M140i's to the hilt, strapping on a JB4 and getting addicted to 'draggy' times on public roads.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Bubba Zanetti said:
p1stonhead said:
Guesses on the speed at the start of this video?

These guys are fking idiots.

https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg
That guy driving (Tom) is a former Porsche GB Carrera Cup driver. While he might have the talent you'd think he'd have the brain not to drive like that on the public road.
That was my exact train of thought. He should know better.

95JO

1,913 posts

85 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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p1stonhead said:
That was my exact train of thought. He should know better.
Agreed, especially whilst promoting his various businesses...

Like most, I'm all for performance cars and 'spirited driving', I even do so myself... However, that particular example is hard to watch. You can see on both of their faces at various points that he almost lost it...

crosseyedlion

2,170 posts

197 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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p1stonhead said:
Bubba Zanetti said:
p1stonhead said:
Guesses on the speed at the start of this video?

These guys are fking idiots.

https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg
That guy driving (Tom) is a former Porsche GB Carrera Cup driver. While he might have the talent you'd think he'd have the brain not to drive like that on the public road.
That was my exact train of thought. He should know better.
Certainly reflects badly on him and his business in my opinion. Most people who spend a lot of time on track tend to be pretty mellow/controlled drivers on the road, he's pretty unusual.

WarrenB

2,374 posts

117 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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Anyone given JWWs new podcast a go?

I tried to listen this morning but gave up after the first 10 minutes of talking about fashion and Marks & Spencers...

Edited by WarrenB on Wednesday 23 October 16:47

Court_S

12,764 posts

176 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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95JO said:
J4CKO said:
Potential engine power has got utterly, sort of feels a good thing but not really sure what question is a 700 bhp 2 door BMW coupe is answering, getting on for two Lotus Carltons worth of power in a smaller, lighter car you can pick up for 20 grand and then spend a few quid on and have Supercar levels of power. Finance it for not much a month, its great that nice cars are accessible but read the Youtube comments, scary to think some folk will be getting stuff like that.
Back that up by reading some of the posts on the various "M Lite" forums and you'll see true "council" folk financing M140i's to the hilt, strapping on a JB4 and getting addicted to 'draggy' times on public roads.
I love my M140, but the last thing it needs is more power. It gets you to licence loosing speeds pretty quickly and with little effort. Like most on here, I've made progress but do so when it's as save as possible and not to levels like some do.

Tickle

4,879 posts

203 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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WarrenB said:
Anyone given JWWs new podcast a go?

I tried to listen this morning but gave up after the first 10 minutes or talking about fashion and Marks & Spencers...
I have just finished the latest Collecting Cars podcast, will give JWW a go tomorrow. I can't see it being for me, but it may prove decent.

emicen

8,558 posts

217 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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crosseyedlion said:
p1stonhead said:
Bubba Zanetti said:
p1stonhead said:
Guesses on the speed at the start of this video?

These guys are fking idiots.

https://youtu.be/1LDtUKwLtjg
That guy driving (Tom) is a former Porsche GB Carrera Cup driver. While he might have the talent you'd think he'd have the brain not to drive like that on the public road.
That was my exact train of thought. He should know better.
Certainly reflects badly on him and his business in my opinion. Most people who spend a lot of time on track tend to be pretty mellow/controlled drivers on the road, he's pretty unusual.
I’m not going to pretend that I don’t still speed or drive spiritedly on occasion, but since returning to racing I would say I do so far less frequently.

Your risk awareness is generally higher and as such you take in the situation more and find that whilst there’s still a time and a place, there’s fewer places and less times.

With Motorsport UK’s evolution, I can’t help but think that’s a pretty silly move having videos like that online. They’re a lot more up to speed with social media these days and that’s not exactly portraying him or the sport in good light.

sicasey

637 posts

160 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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J4CKO said:
kiethton said:
p1stonhead said:
kiethton said:
Meridius said:
Damp conditions, tight bendy road, solid no overtaking lines there for a reason and busy with plenty of oncoming traffic. Joe Achilles is generally one of the more sensible and professional youtubers but that was an unacceptable time, place and conditions to be driving like that.
Damp conditions - Hardly soaking wet, driving was well within the capabilities of the car, tyres and driver with speed appropriate for the slight dampness IMO. A little bit of damp doesn't automatically reducing the safe speed for a corner to an arbitrary level - should be a dynamic assessment of conditions etc

Tight bendy road - irrelevant and half the fun - whats the point in straight line point and squirt?

Overtaking lines - He didn't cross them, so what if they're there - makes it safer in a way(see below)

Oncoming traffic - a risk but was moving slowly behind traffic and wouldn't be crossing due to aforementioned solid lines, speed wasn't excessive given this
You seem to care a lot about defending a random bloke on a driving video who is clearly taking the piss on a public road...
He was far from taking the piss - try looking up one of the of-quoted piss take channels (DMO/LLF/SS)

I'm not Joe, just a bloke that lieks to head out into the countryside and drive (safely but with regard for speed appropriate with the conditions, not a random, reduced number on a stick) that's hugely frustrated at the direction this is going and the faux social/media outrage this story is generating (including on here) and the future direction of travel.
The R8 vid didnt look that dramatic but the M240i one had my heart in my mouth, he nearly binned that, racing driver or not.

I have a fairly high threshold for car speed fkwittery compared to most of the public, but that just seemed mental, Ricky is used to trolling round folk with modified cars and getting on it, he was absolutely papping himself and wanting it to stop.

Its funny how racing drivers are regarded as better drivers, but I wonder what the insurance risk as a job, if you put that down as your occupation is compared to an office worker ? over the years they do seem to, as a breed find lots of opportunities for managing to kill themselves. Will obviously have better car control than the average driver, better reactions (possibly) but does the title cause them to write more cheques their skill can actually cash.
I don't mind admitting that I quite like majority of LLF uploads, after all it's something different. The M240i one was completely out of order and should be taken down based on the total tttery displayed.

davey83

877 posts

88 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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The YouTubers that modify their cars, it's all back scratching and working in the motor industry have been guilty of before - way of the world - all advertising but we like it.


Shame for Calvin though, goes Pod runs a great time and Ricky comes along and BANG!! see you later transmission!!

jayemm89

4,003 posts

129 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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I came from film and believe it or not, there are huge Hollywood productions which would not have got off the ground without product placement deals left right and centre.

95JO

1,913 posts

85 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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jayemm89 said:
I came from film and believe it or not, there are huge Hollywood productions which would not have got off the ground without product placement deals left right and centre.
I knew you came from film but, are you insinuating you were part of Hollywood productions or just have inside knowledge due to being in the industry?

jayemm89

4,003 posts

129 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2019
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I wish I could say I was a part of the Hollywood machine, but that tidbit of information is not exactly a secret. It's a basic part of funding a film, as is pre-selling and all sorts of other off-topic things.

It's a bit like us on here who (for the most part) all know that most car makers don't make their own clutches - obvious to most, but not to lay people.

jon-

16,496 posts

215 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Fun fact, Continental tyres make a lot of the electronics in Mercedes, especially the more advanced stuff in the E and S. And they make the Ford Ecoboost turbos, or at least some of them.

They also believe they're the only company in the world that could technically build a car from the ground up using their own products, apart from seatbelts I believe.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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jon- said:
Fun fact, Continental tyres make a lot of the electronics in Mercedes, especially the more advanced stuff in the E and S. And they make the Ford Ecoboost turbos, or at least some of them.

They also believe they're the only company in the world that could technically build a car from the ground up using their own products, apart from seatbelts I believe.
and yet their performance tyres suck balls lol


Craig_89

251 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Watched an interesting chat between Paul Wallace and Sam Moores. It's seems Paul is fully aware of the issues with his channel and is working on things in the background to increase the production quality.

Hope it works for him as he needs a change to get the channel going again.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

102 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Craig_89 said:
Watched an interesting chat between Paul Wallace and Sam Moores. It's seems Paul is fully aware of the issues with his channel and is working on things in the background to increase the production quality.

Hope it works for him as he needs a change to get the channel going again.
I really do hope he can make it work, although I am not so confident he has what it takes or if it is even possible to do so.

jayemm89

4,003 posts

129 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Where is said chat?

95JO

1,913 posts

85 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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jayemm89 said:
Where is said chat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHC2YBIPs0k
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