Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

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waremark

2,560 posts

161 months

Wednesday 13th November
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twinturban said:
Youtubers have a responsibility to be more honest and open and invest some of the time they spend filming themselves on learning about chassis dynamics and improving their driving ability if they are going to comment on how a car drives. Particularly those who would never stoop to paying for views.
The stuff the Youtubers comment on is more relevant to more buyers of enthusiast cars than how easy a car is to drift round Anglesey. As it happens I don't like very loud exhausts and I like to keep my cars the way they come from the factory but if I am interested in a car I can watch Harris and Catchpole for their views on the handling and Youtubers to see all the details.

Why should Youtubers spend time on stuff which would not improve the performance of their businesses? You do understand that this is their business, don't you?

The Li-ion King

1,200 posts

12 months

Wednesday 13th November
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S11Steve said:
93DW said:
S11Steve said:
Same reason so many VAG fleet vehicles start with a G prefix - their PDI centre is in Sheerness - https://goo.gl/maps/bBTUYkVeYgqrLgMR8
Only the rentals are prefixed G Steve wink Volkswagen Groups own vehicles are either registered KX which is Milton keynes where they are based or OU which is Oxfordshire.
The O & K prefix will have gone through the Paragon PDI centre at Thurleigh, Bedfordshire - a lot of our Merc and Volvo fleet originate from there on that plate, before being dispatched across the country - even though the supplying/invoicing dealer may be in Manchester or Glasgow for example

The G prefix vehicles are usually VW UK HQ administered, such as VW Financial Services and any fleet deals set up by the HQ, but a lot of the regional dealer groups, will also use a central PDI facility such as the one at Thurleigh, or Thorne as mentioned before for the BMW.
A large chunk of PSA Group vehicles go through GEFCO at Sandtoft, ( https://goo.gl/maps/uwnRX5jvdfTBT2qT9 ) but are registered via a link to DVLA Swansea - hence why so many PSA vehicles have a C prefix, regardless of where they are supplied from.

I've spent waaaay too many years working in fleet to know useless crap like this!!

Met Police have new 5 series Tourings on CU plates this year, whilst the Peugeots are BX, and 2 series marked cars seem to come from everywhere confused

Anyway, back to topic, it's nice seeing Archie so happy (for now) with his SVR (0.4 seconds faster to 60 than the old one he had) smile

twinturban

162 posts

70 months

Wednesday 13th November
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waremark said:
The stuff the Youtubers comment on is more relevant to more buyers of enthusiast cars than how easy a car is to drift round Anglesey. As it happens I don't like very loud exhausts and I like to keep my cars the way they come from the factory but if I am interested in a car I can watch Harris and Catchpole for their views on the handling and Youtubers to see all the details.

Why should Youtubers spend time on stuff which would not improve the performance of their businesses? You do understand that this is their business, don't you?
Why not just watch Henry Catchpole then?

The 'influencers' primary job is selling a lifestyle fantasy to 12 year old boys, not informing adults of anything meaningful about a car. I refer you to the McLaren 720S which they were universally underwhelmed by. That was the final straw for me. They got the car so wrong. They were devoid of any ability to appreciate, analyse or articulate anything about the car beyond that it was 'insane' or 'puts a smile on my face' which applies to every car they drive. Bunch of chancers that will disappear along with the opportunity to flip supercars for a profit.

johnwilliams77

5,872 posts

51 months

Wednesday 13th November
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twinturban said:
Why not just watch Henry Catchpole then?

The 'influencers' primary job is selling a lifestyle fantasy to 12 year old boys, not informing adults of anything meaningful about a car. I refer you to the McLaren 720S which they were universally underwhelmed by. That was the final straw for me. They got the car so wrong. They were devoid of any ability to appreciate, analyse or articulate anything about the car beyond that it was 'insane' or 'puts a smile on my face' which applies to every car they drive. Bunch of chancers that will disappear along with the opportunity to flip supercars for a profit.
Because he's shmee's dad so he is trying to support the mainstream tubers on here.

F2 DDY

92 posts

11 months

Thursday 14th November
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johnwilliams77 said:
twinturban said:
Why not just watch Henry Catchpole then?

The 'influencers' primary job is selling a lifestyle fantasy to 12 year old boys, not informing adults of anything meaningful about a car. I refer you to the McLaren 720S which they were universally underwhelmed by. That was the final straw for me. They got the car so wrong. They were devoid of any ability to appreciate, analyse or articulate anything about the car beyond that it was 'insane' or 'puts a smile on my face' which applies to every car they drive. Bunch of chancers that will disappear along with the opportunity to flip supercars for a profit.
Spot. On. The cream rises. 10 Catchpoles out of 10.

Tickle

3,416 posts

152 months

Thursday 14th November
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New collecting cars podcast; Dave Edmonston, one for PH'ers!

jamesth32

16 posts

2 months

Thursday 14th November
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Anyone on here watch Hoovies Garage? love his content!

kiethton

11,175 posts

128 months

Thursday 14th November
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jamesth32 said:
Anyone on here watch Hoovies Garage? love his content!
Yep, big fan here

Wiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzarrrrrrd!

VerySideways

10,005 posts

220 months

Thursday 14th November
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jamesth32 said:
Anyone on here watch Hoovies Garage? love his content!
Yup. Most of it is watchable.

Glade

3,362 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th November
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WarrenB said:
fridaypassion said:
Sam's big error with DTW as I said right back at the beginning is that he should have included his Mrs in it. I understand that she probably doesn't want to be on the channel (she's got her own I seem to recall?) But having some banter and someone to bounce off plus making the series feel like a journey it would have had a totally different feel. There's no sense of the content been any kind of larger project its like totally separate content that could have been filmed by hopping on a plane and then coming home. Also it would have been very hard to do as YT does seem to be a treadmill for them but it would have been better to release the content in bingeable chunks so like the Australia series comes out as season 1. Might have made it more cohesive.
I'm not so sure if his Mrs being included would have made much difference, but then again Sam always did seem at his best when he did have someone to bounce off. Unfortunately we've also seen what the YouTube comment section can be like when there's a female on screen...

I think the biggest issue is that the 911 doesn't really feature that much, or at least it doesn't feel like it's a big part of the journey. With HubNut and Shmee, it's the cars they're driving (the BX [for now] and the GT) that really link the journey together.

Having said that, the people who backed the trip on Kickstarter could be the ones getting more of the actual roadtrip content. But if that's the case I think it may have turn a lot of the 'free' viewers watching on YouTube.
I threw in a £10 sponsor for drive the world, because I like Sam and thought "fair play"... there is probably a website login, but i don't recall very much special content and hardly watched any on youtube because i had the feeling it wasnt that special. Not really a world tour, just flying places and doing some content.

I think I thought it would be a "long way round" type trip, and switched off when i realised it wasn't.

Edited by Glade on Thursday 14th November 21:09

The Li-ion King

1,200 posts

12 months

Thursday 14th November
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Glade said:
WarrenB said:
fridaypassion said:
Sam's big error with DTW as I said right back at the beginning is that he should have included his Mrs in it. I understand that she probably doesn't want to be on the channel (she's got her own I seem to recall?) But having some banter and someone to bounce off plus making the series feel like a journey it would have had a totally different feel. There's no sense of the content been any kind of larger project its like totally separate content that could have been filmed by hopping on a plane and then coming home. Also it would have been very hard to do as YT does seem to be a treadmill for them but it would have been better to release the content in bingeable chunks so like the Australia series comes out as season 1. Might have made it more cohesive.
I'm not so sure if his Mrs being included would have made much difference, but then again Sam always did seem at his best when he did have someone to bounce off. Unfortunately we've also seen what the YouTube comment section can be like when there's a female on screen...

I think the biggest issue is that the 911 doesn't really feature that much, or at least it doesn't feel like it's a big part of the journey. With HubNut and Shmee, it's the cars they're driving (the BX [for now] and the GT) that really link the journey together.

Having said that, the people who backed the trip on Kickstarter could be the ones getting more of the actual roadtrip content. But if that's the case I think it may have turn a lot of the 'free' viewers watching on YouTube.
I threw in a £10 sponsor for drive the world, because I like Sam and thought "fair play"... there is probably a website login, but i don't recall very much special content and hardly watched any on youtube because i had the feeling it wasnt that special. Not really a world tour, just flying places and doing some content.

I think I thought it would be a "long way round" type trip, and switched off when i realised it wasn't.

Edited by Glade on Thursday 14th November 21:09
The initial Drive The World across Australia, Japan was great, then it felt more like being a third wheel, or gooseberry as we tagged along for the ride with him and his Mrs. Some great cars, locations, at times him and Shmee150 overlapped, didn't see much of Quail car show this year, but this last bit of Drive the World has dragged a bit. Shmee150's coverage of the new Ferrari Roma was good.


Court_S

1,543 posts

125 months

Thursday 14th November
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Toaster Pilot said:
Pretty much everything supplied direct by BMW UK for whatever reason (daily rental, fleet, etc etc) is registered on Y* plates. I have a F31 320d that is ex daily rental on a YE reg.
My old 330 was an ex-BMW car and was YF.

Pommy

10,168 posts

164 months

Friday 15th November
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VerySideways said:
jamesth32 said:
Anyone on here watch Hoovies Garage? love his content!
Yup. Most of it is watchable.
It really is isnt it. Also good to go back and check out his buried RR video and the subsequent dig up and his nitrous'd Prious was funny.

I think his family owns a bunch of Taco Bells or something so thats how he can afford to burn cash but he doesnt act pompous - hes very watchable.

Truckosaurus

7,250 posts

232 months

Friday 15th November
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Pommy said:
...I think his family owns a bunch of Taco Bells or something ...
It's some random burger chain. Young Hoovie actually works for them supervising/managing/training the opening of new stores, one of his videos shows him on the local news plugging the store.

Also, I suspect land in Kansas is dirt cheap (pun) so you can build a massive house and oversize garage for what you'd pay for an apartment in a big city.
(See also, Freddie Tavarish in the Floridian swamps)

S11Steve

5,620 posts

132 months

Friday 15th November
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Paul SOL now looking at a 720s as they are under 170k...

His enthusiasm is infectious, but i can't help feeling he is setting himself up for another fall - he even talks at length about the issues around these cars.

He needs to use his head for his decisions more than his heart.

WarrenB

639 posts

66 months

Friday 15th November
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S11Steve said:
Paul SOL now looking at a 720s as they are under 170k...

His enthusiasm is infectious, but i can't help feeling he is setting himself up for another fall - he even talks at length about the issues around these cars.

He needs to use his head for his decisions more than his heart.
Also hinted that the Murci will go to make way for it. Was hoping there'd be at least one proper roadtrip in it and not just a few runs through a tunnel!

J4CKO

28,581 posts

148 months

Friday 15th November
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VerySideways said:
jamesth32 said:
Anyone on here watch Hoovies Garage? love his content!
Yup. Most of it is watchable.
Yeah, one of my favorites, seems like a really nice guy with a true passion for (mainly knackered/st) cars, very easy going demeanor, very self effacing and buys some catastrophic st heap money pits and tells it like it is.

Less sure about his theme music, seems to be nicked from a 1985 Allied Dunbar training/promotional film.




spreadsheet monkey

3,590 posts

175 months

Friday 15th November
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washingitagain said:
g3org3y said:
Currently enjoying 'salvage rebuilds uk' and the work he's doing on a Range Rover Sport with a broken engine.
Me too! He seems a genuine bloke who knows what he's doing. His Ferrari build is interesting too. He is a good example of how a channel can gain followers quickly despite (to his own admission) him not being skilled at video production.
I watched some of his videos this morning. Really broad range of cars, from Ferraris and Range Rover Sports all the way down to dirt cheap salvage Fiestas and Fiat 500s.

Interesting to see someone giving a real insider's view on an area of the motor industry that doesn't get much coverage and is sometimes perceived as a bit shady.

Videos are light on detail sometimes, but there are no plummy accents, no Knightsbridge locations, no "paid partnerships" and no daft paintjobs or wraps smile

washingitagain

200 posts

5 months

Friday 15th November
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spreadsheet monkey said:
I watched some of his videos this morning. Really broad range of cars, from Ferraris and Range Rover Sports all the way down to dirt cheap salvage Fiestas and Fiat 500s.

Interesting to see someone giving a real insider's view on an area of the motor industry that doesn't get much coverage and is sometimes perceived as a bit shady.

Videos are light on detail sometimes, but there are no plummy accents, no Knightsbridge locations, no "paid partnerships" and no daft paintjobs or wraps smile
I've watched quite a lot of his stuff. He is truly genuine, is very new to the technology and therefore not always very polished videos but I find his content very watchable. He did a little charity auction recently too.

AJB1971

74 posts

23 months

Friday 15th November
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jamesth32 said:
Anyone on here watch Hoovies Garage? love his content!
He's mentioned before that this is his second attempt at YouTube and I think he's put quite a lot of effort into getting it right this time.

The naff 80s style title screens and music were a smart move because his equipment and film skills were poor in the early days so they matched one another.

He seems to have a knack for getting good views from unlikely sources. His video on the Hyundai Equus has 4m views - okay, he was comparing it to a Rolls-Royce. The first video on his Prius has 2.3m views and the one on a 90s Camry has 1.2m views. There were no gimmicks in those videos.

In some ways, his channel reminds me of Harry’s Garage. I can have no interest in a car featured on the channel, but I still watch it because I enjoy listening to him talk with genuine knowledge and enthusiasm about it.

Edited by AJB1971 on Friday 15th November 17:06

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