New DBS Superleggera

New DBS Superleggera

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AMSV12

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10 posts

71 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Just came across these articles confirming that the new replacement for the current gen Vanquish is going to be called... DBS Superleggera

“When you hear the name DBS Superleggera, you know what it is. It’s the definitive Aston Martin Super GT. It’s an icon, a statement and this one will be no different. We’ve pushed the boundaries of performance and design to give this car a distinct character and ensure it’s worthy of the heritage and weight that this name carries”. MR

http://www.evo.co.uk/aston-martin/21132/new-aston-...
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/aston-...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/aston-...

Edited by AMSV12 on Wednesday 18th April 00:42

PantsFire

519 posts

79 months

telum01

987 posts

114 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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I knew it'd be called the DBS, but the Superleggera moniker is an interesting surprise. Carbon fiber body, a la the Vanquish?

spyker138

930 posts

223 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Let’s hope it really has lost a lot of weight and lives up to the name; and not yet another whim of the marketing dept.

AstonV

1,563 posts

105 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Let's hope it actually sounds like an Aston should sound.

dbs2000

2,681 posts

191 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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My wallet doesn't like this one bit. It's great that AM are smashing it under AP and keeping to their plan biggrin

nickv8

1,342 posts

82 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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dbs2000 said:
My wallet doesn't like this one bit. It's great that AM are smashing it under AP and keeping to their plan biggrin
^This

Always thought the plan was ambitious, but they are pulling it off... and some!

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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And.... confirmation the Vanquish name will be used for the 488 / 720S mid-engine slayer biggrin

ajr550

489 posts

123 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Like the sound of this but naming is going to get complicated.DBS Superleggera AMR anyone !

CSK1

1,598 posts

123 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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telum01 said:
I knew it'd be called the DBS, but the Superleggera moniker is an interesting surprise. Carbon fiber body, a la the Vanquish?
No, aluminium alloy body over a steel tube frame.

RobDown

3,803 posts

127 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Clearly if the leaks are to be relied on we’re going to 700bhp on this, which is a big leg up from Vanquish S

But how much scope is there to take weight out? Vanquish is already mostly CF isn’t it? And the engine will be the same, presumably also the 8 speed ZF?

So are we talking maybe dropping 20-30kgs using a lithium battery and some snips here and there? Or is their more scope than that? A genuine super leggera would be sorely tempting

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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A corporate announces a product name.

Grown men let their imaginations run in various directions.

Is that called, being manipulated by marketing ?

None the less, great fun to speculate about a future product.






anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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RobDown said:
Clearly if the leaks are to be relied on we’re going to 700bhp on this, which is a big leg up from Vanquish S

But how much scope is there to take weight out? Vanquish is already mostly CF isn’t it? And the engine will be the same, presumably also the 8 speed ZF?

So are we talking maybe dropping 20-30kgs using a lithium battery and some snips here and there? Or is their more scope than that? A genuine super leggera would be sorely tempting
The areas where weight can be trimmed out easily are most likely the interior and the wheels (forged lightweights I expect, CCM brakes). There's a chunky weight penalty in the engine due to the mass of plumbing associated with the turbos vs the AM29 N/A motor. That's not to say the outgoing Vanquish was a light car. A full carbon body etc, but it still tipped the scales barely any lighter than the V12 DB11 (1844kg vs 1875kg I think - such is progress on materials and chassis construction that aluminum doesn't stack up that badly against carbon). Some of the bolt on panels might be switched for carbon (bonnet, doors, boot etc) if they're really keen to lose weight.

HBradley

1,037 posts

180 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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NFC 85 Vette said:
RobDown said:
Clearly if the leaks are to be relied on we’re going to 700bhp on this, which is a big leg up from Vanquish S

But how much scope is there to take weight out? Vanquish is already mostly CF isn’t it? And the engine will be the same, presumably also the 8 speed ZF?

So are we talking maybe dropping 20-30kgs using a lithium battery and some snips here and there? Or is their more scope than that? A genuine super leggera would be sorely tempting
The areas where weight can be trimmed out easily are most likely the interior and the wheels (forged lightweights I expect, CCM brakes). There's a chunky weight penalty in the engine due to the mass of plumbing associated with the turbos vs the AM29 N/A motor. That's not to say the outgoing Vanquish was a light car. A full carbon body etc, but it still tipped the scales barely any lighter than the V12 DB11 (1844kg vs 1875kg I think - such is progress on materials and chassis construction that aluminum doesn't stack up that badly against carbon). Some of the bolt on panels might be switched for carbon (bonnet, doors, boot etc) if they're really keen to lose weight.
I suppose tweaking those twin turbos etc (plus exhaust, cat modifications etc) could quite easily get to 700bhp & a diet of carbon (body panels, brakes etc) would give it an additional edge on performance & handling.
For interest, does any know what the weight difference is between the 2 V12s motors?

ajr550

489 posts

123 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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Grown men let their imaginations run in various directions.

Is that called, being manipulated by marketing ?

None the less, great fun to speculate about a future product.


Isn't that the whole point of these forums ?






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anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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HBradley said:
I suppose tweaking those twin turbos etc (plus exhaust, cat modifications etc) could quite easily get to 700bhp & a diet of carbon (body panels, brakes etc) would give it an additional edge on performance & handling.
For interest, does any know what the weight difference is between the 2 V12s motors?
Some crude numbers (M177 engine plus 115kg) makes the 5.2 TT V12 come out at 324kg. The AM29 engine I couldn't find a dry weight for. The 5.2 motor itself was turned down quite a lot for the DB11; something just over 700bhp ought to be the ticket.

While it wouldn't win at top trumps with the 812SF on horsepower, it would probably best it in torque figures, and have more usable performance on the road. I cant wait to see it smile

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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A lot of how far the weight saving might go will be down to how serious they are - if they want to , they could make a product with the approach of say 599GTO/F12 TDf, going for lightweight seats, no motors in same, lightweight (non leather) fabrics, lighter (thinner) glass, remove the rear seats, ultra lightweight centrelock wheels, get rid of all fripperies, etc

But I'm not sure how in keeping that is with a production series Aston, especially if they want to follow up with a roadgoing AMR version (they have said publicly there will be an AMR version of every model, but they also said AMR cars would never be mere colour & trim exercises and even though I'm very happy with mine, its difficult to argue that's what Vantage AMR is)

Call me a cynic, but based on past Aston claims to have lightened weight which normally depend on specific options being fitted that were available on fore runner cars, I'm doubtful this will be that lightweight a car in absolute terms or even relative to DB11. I hope to be pleasantly surprised of course

However I still believe this will be an absolute monster and actually, I'm not sure how much difference shedding an extra say 100kgs would make to a car with this much power & torque when it presumably is going to weigh far nearer to 2 tons than 1.5

Will be fascinating to see if there is a manual option given that a manual DBS of the last gen is one of the most desirable production series Astons of modern times - I can see why they wouldn't and even why there is an argument they shouldn't, but I bet it would still sell !

telum01

987 posts

114 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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The 5.2L TT V12 can easily put out 800+ hp, but to leave room on the table for further upgrades, I wouldn't be surprised for this to be kept at 700 hp. Pretty sure I've heard that number dropped by someone that's seen the car, too.

Plenty of weight loss to be found throughout the car, but it's not going to be a revolutionary amount unless they do something crazy.
-Lithium ion battery can drop probably 20 kg just because the original Varta batteries from the previous generation of cars weighed a little over 24 kg.
-Lightweight carbon seats could drop another 17 kg (AM's number from the Vanquish).
-Reduced sound deadening can drop several more kg.
-Poly rear window instead of glass would drop a few more kg.
-Lightweight wheels, tires, and CCM brakes are a given.
-Lightweight exhaust system can drop a lot of weight.

CSK1 said:
No, aluminium alloy body over a steel tube frame.
In a modern production car? I'll believe that when I see it. Just based on financial considerations alone, that'd cost way too much to develop and build when they can just use the already-developed aluminum chassis from the DB11, like they did with the DB9 and previous DBS.

Unless they've somehow managed to develop a carbon fiber monocoque chassis for it..... which would be a huge step in the right direction for true weigh reduction. Maybe from lessons learned on the Valkyrie and by working with Red Bull F1... hmmm.

Jon39 said:

A corporate announces a product name.

Grown men let their imaginations run in various directions.

Is that called, being manipulated by marketing ?

None the less, great fun to speculate about a future product.
Given that recent statement about getting rid of the traditional grille on the New Vantage to save 15-20kg and improve weight distribution, I'm leaning toward another round of hogwash. Maybe I'm just being unnecessarily cynical.

AM's upcoming press release: We've reduced weight in the DBS Superleggera by 400 kg!*


  • by not making it entirely from cast iron and lead.

RobDown

3,803 posts

127 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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The best thing about that picture with the Superleggera script on it is that the car is a nice shade of red (not neon yellow).

So please, please AML can we have the actual car launched in that. Not something horrible this time that puts people off?

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Wednesday 18th April 2018
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RobDown said:


So please, please AML can we have the actual car launched in that. Not something horrible this time that puts people off?

No need to worry, Rob.

When you want new younger buyers for a fast and nimble predator car = Sherbert Yellow.

Older, more mature wealthy types, the market for a very expensive, even faster, flagship of the range, GT = Sophistication Red.

Just wait and see if I am correct.