RE: 911 GT3 RS goes sub 7 minutes
Discussion
dfen5 said:
What amazed me is how long he’s got the throttle wide open, that green bar was like a switch, he’s on the brakes or gunning it. Wow.
Reminds me of the Jackie Stewart tip to James May in the TVR Tuscan,' and remember don't press the throttle until you know you don't have to take it off '
Hmm. I remember when 8 minutes was the benchmark.
Progress is great and all, but I do wonder about diminishing returns, and the appropriateness of having cars with wings that could probably allow driving upside down, driving around the m25 at 70mph.
The relevance of these engineers wet dreams I'm sure will appeal to many as an exercise, but in the world of the real, I just can't get more than passing excited by a car that will be flipped by an OPC.
Progress is great and all, but I do wonder about diminishing returns, and the appropriateness of having cars with wings that could probably allow driving upside down, driving around the m25 at 70mph.
The relevance of these engineers wet dreams I'm sure will appeal to many as an exercise, but in the world of the real, I just can't get more than passing excited by a car that will be flipped by an OPC.
CedricN said:
anthonysjb said:
Not to be a party pooper, worth noting theres been considerable upgrades to the track surface in recent times, 1km new surface laid over winter, aimed to improve safety but as Misha Charoudin noted its also faster. Will account for a bit of the time saved.
https://www.bridgetogantry.com/photos-the-2018-nur...
https://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/18/nurburgring-sp...
This is rarely taken into account, but the track changes almost every year, bumps are smoothed out, resurfaced etc For example they shaved of flugplatz to make it safer a while ago, so each year its getting faster, and makes it hard to compare to older times. But anyway, its a hell of a lap, its so "messy" and on the limit its incredible that he keeps it on the black stuff, incredible. https://www.bridgetogantry.com/photos-the-2018-nur...
https://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/18/nurburgring-sp...
Stunning car and an amazing lap, the times these things are setting are ridiculous these days, top work from Porsche. It sounds amazing too, that intake noise is heavenly. I'd probably rather have a GT2 RS if I won the lottery and became friendly enough with Porsche to even have a chance to own one but I have to stick some straight pipes on it immediately as the standard GT2 RS sounds pathetic in comparison, and in comparison to many other cars in the same sort of performance league.
RacerMike said:
red997 said:
unless I'm mistaken, from the video he's not using the paddles, and just using the PDK box in 'auto' mode ?!
Great driving though
Quite possible. I have to admit to doing the same in cars with auto upshift when at the ‘Ring. Ultimately it shifts up at exactly the right point. Imagine how annoyed you’d be if you lost half a second clattering into the limiter....Great driving though
jimPH said:
CedricN said:
anthonysjb said:
It's inevitable. The track does still need maintaining. It was probably smoothest when first laid, who's to say when Belloff did his lap the track wasn't in good condition. It didn't have kids chalking the surface or souped up track day hatchbacks dropping their oil everywhere.
Apart from it was concrete when 1st laid in the 1920'sbig_rob_sydney said:
Hmm. I remember when 8 minutes was the benchmark.
Progress is great and all, but I do wonder about diminishing returns, and the appropriateness of having cars with wings that could probably allow driving upside down, driving around the m25 at 70mph.
The relevance of these engineers wet dreams I'm sure will appeal to many as an exercise, but in the world of the real, I just can't get more than passing excited by a car that will be flipped by an OPC.
996 GT3 did 7m56s, so this car is 1m faster. By lap 7-8 you'd be passing a 996 Progress is great and all, but I do wonder about diminishing returns, and the appropriateness of having cars with wings that could probably allow driving upside down, driving around the m25 at 70mph.
The relevance of these engineers wet dreams I'm sure will appeal to many as an exercise, but in the world of the real, I just can't get more than passing excited by a car that will be flipped by an OPC.
gt3 - huge difference. Will keep the 993, anyway
WCZ said:
RamboLambo said:
Wow, what a disappointment. A lot slower than a Lamborghini Huracan Performante.
Lambo really nailed it with the PERFORMANTE
gt3rs - significantly cheaper than the performante yet only 4 seconds slowerLambo really nailed it with the PERFORMANTE
gt2rs - slightly cheaper than the performante and 5 seconds faster
Edited by NW_GT on Saturday 21st April 10:49
NW_GT said:
WCZ said:
RamboLambo said:
Wow, what a disappointment. A lot slower than a Lamborghini Huracan Performante.
Lambo really nailed it with the PERFORMANTE
gt3rs - significantly cheaper than the performante yet only 4 seconds slowerLambo really nailed it with the PERFORMANTE
gt2rs - slightly cheaper than the performante and 5 seconds faster
The Surveyor said:
Those GT2 and GT3 times add to the credibility of that Performante, I was sceptical before but given other cars are doing similar laps, why would you not believe it.
On the contrary I think they make one question the performante's time even more if it was not on a Pirelli special trofeo. The gt2rs has a sizeable power advantage, bigger tyre footprint, very considerable downforce for a road car and almost Cup car spring rates being very focused on track (and likely far more so than the Huracan) and it's only 5 seconds faster. the gt3rs has had a massive tyre advantage in theory with the Cup R and is still slower. the 6:52 is still imo a bit hard to believe as achieved by a standard performante. jimPH said:
CedricN said:
anthonysjb said:
It's inevitable. The track does still need maintaining. It was probably smoothest when first laid, who's to say when Belloff did his lap the track wasn't in good condition. It didn't have kids chalking the surface or souped up track day hatchbacks dropping their oil everywhere.
Apart from it was concrete when 1st laid in the 1920'sWhat's good for Belloff is good for us, get the fresh stuff down and stop moaning.
anthonysjb said:
The Surveyor said:
Those GT2 and GT3 times add to the credibility of that Performante, I was sceptical before but given other cars are doing similar laps, why would you not believe it.
https://youtu.be/zhpbHUPLbKY?t=353culpz said:
If the point of this car is to go as fast as possible around a track/circuit, then analogue doesn't come into it really, does it? Put it this way, if it wasn't equipped with the PDK, it wouldn't have just smashed the time it has done.
To answer your question though, yes, i still believe it to be analogue, especially when it's mated to the remainder of the recipe that this Porsche offers. It still remains very raw, sharp and focused. The manual flappy-paddle mode also gives you some kind of involvement, albeit not quite the same as a proper manual. The obvious counter to that is the above point.
Either way, the GT3 RS really is the daddy! Lottery numbers, please come up
Indeed. Do real men still drive manuals.....To answer your question though, yes, i still believe it to be analogue, especially when it's mated to the remainder of the recipe that this Porsche offers. It still remains very raw, sharp and focused. The manual flappy-paddle mode also gives you some kind of involvement, albeit not quite the same as a proper manual. The obvious counter to that is the above point.
Either way, the GT3 RS really is the daddy! Lottery numbers, please come up
Edited by culpz on Friday 20th April 13:29
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