RE: PH Origins: Electronic parking brakes
Discussion
Ares said:
I never use the parking brake except when parking? Foot brake prevents creep in traffic?
Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Are we talking about the same thing? Auto park brake on the Leon comes on when car is stationary with a certain pressure on the brake pedal. It's great for anything but stop start traffic where I find that the brake pressure required to prevent creep is often more than the min threshold to engage EPB automatically. So the EPB comes on and then you get that slight jerk when it comes off again. Even worse if the stop start has also engaged. In the manual car, you can just apply a very light brake pressure without having to worry about the car creeping forward. In reality in the auto, if I'm in nose to tail stuff for a while I'll just turn the auto EPB off and try to remember to re-engage it once moving again. Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Andy20vt said:
Technology for technology's sake!
It strikes me as designer not engineer driven - makes the interior cleaner looking. And then throws up problems that weren't even with a normal handbrake, the need for a hill start function - VAG which on some cars they charge extra for (c£60) even though the EPB is standard.Dale487 said:
Andy20vt said:
Technology for technology's sake!
It strikes me as designer not engineer driven - makes the interior cleaner looking. And then throws up problems that weren't even with a normal handbrake, the need for a hill start function - VAG which on some cars they charge extra for (c£60) even though the EPB is standard.Still maintain it solves more problems that it causes - and hill start functionality was around before EPB.
Gad-Westy said:
Ares said:
I never use the parking brake except when parking? Foot brake prevents creep in traffic?
Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Are we talking about the same thing? Auto park brake on the Leon comes on when car is stationary with a certain pressure on the brake pedal. It's great for anything but stop start traffic where I find that the brake pressure required to prevent creep is often more than the min threshold to engage EPB automatically. So the EPB comes on and then you get that slight jerk when it comes off again. Even worse if the stop start has also engaged. In the manual car, you can just apply a very light brake pressure without having to worry about the car creeping forward. In reality in the auto, if I'm in nose to tail stuff for a while I'll just turn the auto EPB off and try to remember to re-engage it once moving again. Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Ares said:
Gad-Westy said:
Ares said:
I never use the parking brake except when parking? Foot brake prevents creep in traffic?
Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Are we talking about the same thing? Auto park brake on the Leon comes on when car is stationary with a certain pressure on the brake pedal. It's great for anything but stop start traffic where I find that the brake pressure required to prevent creep is often more than the min threshold to engage EPB automatically. So the EPB comes on and then you get that slight jerk when it comes off again. Even worse if the stop start has also engaged. In the manual car, you can just apply a very light brake pressure without having to worry about the car creeping forward. In reality in the auto, if I'm in nose to tail stuff for a while I'll just turn the auto EPB off and try to remember to re-engage it once moving again. Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Edited by Gad-Westy on Monday 23 April 15:35
I remember the first car I saw one on was about a decade ago when a work colleague at the time got an A4. I remember thinking it was a horrible idea.
Fast forward to 2015 when I took delivery of a Tiguan and within weeks I was convinced that this was now the only way!
Agreed about the lack of commonality though - I'll concede I haven't got round to reading the manual, but the Tig's replacement, a Disco Sport, doesn't appear to have auto-hold. I'd say that was my favourite aspect. Though that also caused an issue when I jumped into a Golf courtesy car when the Tig was in for warranty work and almost rolled off the forecourt in traffic - why switch auto-hold off?!
Fast forward to 2015 when I took delivery of a Tiguan and within weeks I was convinced that this was now the only way!
Agreed about the lack of commonality though - I'll concede I haven't got round to reading the manual, but the Tig's replacement, a Disco Sport, doesn't appear to have auto-hold. I'd say that was my favourite aspect. Though that also caused an issue when I jumped into a Golf courtesy car when the Tig was in for warranty work and almost rolled off the forecourt in traffic - why switch auto-hold off?!
HardMiles said:
Good article, but I keep seeing the same sentence in all of them; “being used in myriad models” for example.
Either my understanding of the English language is wrong, but that should read; “being used in a myriad of models”, am I correct?
Please help as it’s now bothering me!
The article is correct. It's "myriad xxx" not "a myriad of".Either my understanding of the English language is wrong, but that should read; “being used in a myriad of models”, am I correct?
Please help as it’s now bothering me!
Harris_I said:
culpz said:
Unless you're the kind of person who likes doing cheeky handbrake turns everywhere, i'm not sure why you'd miss it.
Because I use the "Balboni method" of reverse parking (leaning out of the driver's door looking at the curb alongside and posts behind, especially in cars with poor visibility). EPBs usually slam on the brakes the moment the driver's door is opened. Not a fan.Gad-Westy said:
Ares said:
Gad-Westy said:
Ares said:
I never use the parking brake except when parking? Foot brake prevents creep in traffic?
Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Are we talking about the same thing? Auto park brake on the Leon comes on when car is stationary with a certain pressure on the brake pedal. It's great for anything but stop start traffic where I find that the brake pressure required to prevent creep is often more than the min threshold to engage EPB automatically. So the EPB comes on and then you get that slight jerk when it comes off again. Even worse if the stop start has also engaged. In the manual car, you can just apply a very light brake pressure without having to worry about the car creeping forward. In reality in the auto, if I'm in nose to tail stuff for a while I'll just turn the auto EPB off and try to remember to re-engage it once moving again. Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Edited by Gad-Westy on Monday 23 April 15:35
Ares said:
Gad-Westy said:
Ares said:
Gad-Westy said:
Ares said:
I never use the parking brake except when parking? Foot brake prevents creep in traffic?
Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Are we talking about the same thing? Auto park brake on the Leon comes on when car is stationary with a certain pressure on the brake pedal. It's great for anything but stop start traffic where I find that the brake pressure required to prevent creep is often more than the min threshold to engage EPB automatically. So the EPB comes on and then you get that slight jerk when it comes off again. Even worse if the stop start has also engaged. In the manual car, you can just apply a very light brake pressure without having to worry about the car creeping forward. In reality in the auto, if I'm in nose to tail stuff for a while I'll just turn the auto EPB off and try to remember to re-engage it once moving again. Did/do the same when in a manual.
The only downside I have ever come across is the slightly less convenience when in a strange manual with a EPB on a steep hill - more difficult to use it to get the bite point.
Edited by Gad-Westy on Monday 23 April 15:35
Ares said:
Dale487 said:
Andy20vt said:
Technology for technology's sake!
It strikes me as designer not engineer driven - makes the interior cleaner looking. And then throws up problems that weren't even with a normal handbrake, the need for a hill start function - VAG which on some cars they charge extra for (c£60) even though the EPB is standard.Still maintain it solves more problems that it causes - and hill start functionality was around before EPB.
VM's also like them as they are self adjusting, so don't need the maintenance that a handbrake needs. This helps the sell to the fleet market.
VxDuncan said:
Ares said:
Dale487 said:
Andy20vt said:
Technology for technology's sake!
It strikes me as designer not engineer driven - makes the interior cleaner looking. And then throws up problems that weren't even with a normal handbrake, the need for a hill start function - VAG which on some cars they charge extra for (c£60) even though the EPB is standard.Still maintain it solves more problems that it causes - and hill start functionality was around before EPB.
VM's also like them as they are self adjusting, so don't need the maintenance that a handbrake needs. This helps the sell to the fleet market.
PistonBroker said:
I remember the first car I saw one on was about a decade ago when a work colleague at the time got an A4. I remember thinking it was a horrible idea.
Fast forward to 2015 when I took delivery of a Tiguan and within weeks I was convinced that this was now the only way!
Agreed about the lack of commonality though - I'll concede I haven't got round to reading the manual, but the Tig's replacement, a Disco Sport, doesn't appear to have auto-hold. I'd say that was my favourite aspect. Though that also caused an issue when I jumped into a Golf courtesy car when the Tig was in for warranty work and almost rolled off the forecourt in traffic - why switch auto-hold off?!
The lack of commonality is the killer with these systems, especially for people like me who end up driving a different car every week. I really don’t want to read the often non-existent manual in a rental car in an airport car park somewhere just to work out how to drive the thing away. Fast forward to 2015 when I took delivery of a Tiguan and within weeks I was convinced that this was now the only way!
Agreed about the lack of commonality though - I'll concede I haven't got round to reading the manual, but the Tig's replacement, a Disco Sport, doesn't appear to have auto-hold. I'd say that was my favourite aspect. Though that also caused an issue when I jumped into a Golf courtesy car when the Tig was in for warranty work and almost rolled off the forecourt in traffic - why switch auto-hold off?!
There have been a few near misses in recent years with these electric things not working as expected, for decades previous all cars were exactly the same apart from some funny light switches and ‘backwards’ indicator stalks.
BAM225 said:
Nice of PH to use pictures of the E65 7 series when the previous model (E38) did also have a electronic parking brake.
Do any journalists do any research anymore?
Did it? My apologies if so. Which variants? I was only aware of it having a foot-operated parking brake arrangement – as no controllers or components are seemingly listed anywhere. Even BMW lists the E65's set-up as 'the first of its type in a production automobile'. Do any journalists do any research anymore?
Saying that, Lancia says the same in its Thesis press releases. Presumably unwilling to bend to the fact they'd been beaten to the punch. Better system, mind, but still...
E38 had a foot on and hand off operated parking brake. Foot on, hand off. No electrickery involved.They did break quite a lot.
Afraid I’m not a fan of EPBs. They work fine on autos (eg you don’t need to use them). On VW manuals they make me sad. The only manual cars I’ve used them have been VWs. They made a hill start an unpleasant task.
Afraid I’m not a fan of EPBs. They work fine on autos (eg you don’t need to use them). On VW manuals they make me sad. The only manual cars I’ve used them have been VWs. They made a hill start an unpleasant task.
I prefer a manual handbrake after my near miss with an electronic one. Working in a BMW dealership, had to get a customers new car (early January so very busy) moved a 530 d out of the way to get the car I needed, was rushing so clicked the button while the car was coming to a stop, got out and left it running, walking to the other car I seen something moving in the corner of my eye. Turned around to see the brand new 530 rolling towards a rusty Passat that was traded in, ran after it, grabbed by the pillar which didn`t do much and had to try jump in and stop it and that`s not easy. I still don`t know how it didn`t crash into the front of the Passat, and for the rest of the day every manual car was turned off and left in gear so it wouldn`t happen again. Still haven`t told anyone in work about it
Mr Peel said:
HardMiles said:
Good article, but I keep seeing the same sentence in all of them; “being used in myriad models” for example.
Either my understanding of the English language is wrong, but that should read; “being used in a myriad of models”, am I correct?
Please help as it’s now bothering me!
The article is correct. It's "myriad xxx" not "a myriad of".Either my understanding of the English language is wrong, but that should read; “being used in a myriad of models”, am I correct?
Please help as it’s now bothering me!
Rovinghawk said:
The system on my cars: pull lever up,handbrake on- push lever down, handbrake off. Simple.
It doesn't need 'improving'. I won't be buying a car with the electric/electronic version.
That's what I think, but I suspect the time will come where no new cars have a real handbrake, so the only way to have a proper one will be to keep an old car.It doesn't need 'improving'. I won't be buying a car with the electric/electronic version.
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