RE: Jaguar reveals XJ50 Anniversary Edition
Discussion
FourWheelDrift said:
Jaguar says petrol and diesel XJ50s here, dated today - https://media.jaguar.com/news/2018/04/xj50-celebra...
"Available in both standard and long wheelbase with a choice of 3.0-litre petrol (340PS) and diesel (300PS) powertrains,"
XJ50 press kit says "The unique model is powered by a choice of 340PS 3.0-litre V6 petrol or 300PS 3.0-litre diesel powerplants. These engines provide dynamic performance with 0-100km/h times of 5.9 seconds (0-60mph in 5.7 seconds) and 6.2 seconds (0-60mph in 5.9 seconds) respectively.
In North America customers can also choose the 510PS 5.0-litre V8 supercharged engine which is able to accelerate from 0-100km/h in 4.9 seconds (0-60mph in 4.7 seconds). "
PH Editor. Please update your inaccurate article please. Diesel AND petrol."Available in both standard and long wheelbase with a choice of 3.0-litre petrol (340PS) and diesel (300PS) powertrains,"
XJ50 press kit says "The unique model is powered by a choice of 340PS 3.0-litre V6 petrol or 300PS 3.0-litre diesel powerplants. These engines provide dynamic performance with 0-100km/h times of 5.9 seconds (0-60mph in 5.7 seconds) and 6.2 seconds (0-60mph in 5.9 seconds) respectively.
In North America customers can also choose the 510PS 5.0-litre V8 supercharged engine which is able to accelerate from 0-100km/h in 4.9 seconds (0-60mph in 4.7 seconds). "
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Wednesday 25th April 14:14
B10 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Jaguar says petrol and diesel XJ50s here, dated today - https://media.jaguar.com/news/2018/04/xj50-celebra...
"Available in both standard and long wheelbase with a choice of 3.0-litre petrol (340PS) and diesel (300PS) powertrains,"
XJ50 press kit says "The unique model is powered by a choice of 340PS 3.0-litre V6 petrol or 300PS 3.0-litre diesel powerplants. These engines provide dynamic performance with 0-100km/h times of 5.9 seconds (0-60mph in 5.7 seconds) and 6.2 seconds (0-60mph in 5.9 seconds) respectively.
In North America customers can also choose the 510PS 5.0-litre V8 supercharged engine which is able to accelerate from 0-100km/h in 4.9 seconds (0-60mph in 4.7 seconds). "
PH Editor. Please update your inaccurate article please. Diesel AND petrol."Available in both standard and long wheelbase with a choice of 3.0-litre petrol (340PS) and diesel (300PS) powertrains,"
XJ50 press kit says "The unique model is powered by a choice of 340PS 3.0-litre V6 petrol or 300PS 3.0-litre diesel powerplants. These engines provide dynamic performance with 0-100km/h times of 5.9 seconds (0-60mph in 5.7 seconds) and 6.2 seconds (0-60mph in 5.9 seconds) respectively.
In North America customers can also choose the 510PS 5.0-litre V8 supercharged engine which is able to accelerate from 0-100km/h in 4.9 seconds (0-60mph in 4.7 seconds). "
The UK press release only lists a diesel engine:
https://media.jaguar.com/en-gb/news/2018/04/xj50-c...
So they can but they won't, instead they offer the disease version instead. JLR have just laid off 1000 people due to a sales slump in diesel sales. So they offer a diesel only model to celebrate?
http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180416/ANE/18...
http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180416/ANE/18...
BenjiS said:
That quote is from the international press release.
The UK press release only lists a diesel engine:
https://media.jaguar.com/en-gb/news/2018/04/xj50-c...
Fair enough. Price was in Sterling so assumed was for UK consumption.The UK press release only lists a diesel engine:
https://media.jaguar.com/en-gb/news/2018/04/xj50-c...
Being diesel probably reflects the poor V6 petrol UK sales.
I do hope that the in-line 6 cylinder Ingenium engines are launched. Perhaps all this is to reduce inventory of te Ford engines prior to the new engines...
FourWheelDrift said:
So they can but they won't, instead they offer the disease version instead. JLR have just laid off 1000 people due to a sales slump in diesel sales. So they offer a diesel only model to celebrate?
http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180416/ANE/18...
Jaguar haven't laid off anybody according to the article you quote: "We are not renewing the contracts of 1,000 agency workers at Solihull", In other words by definition they were never permanent employees in the first place.http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180416/ANE/18...
The article fails to provide any evidence about the reason for those contracts not being renewed. Is it because they were people involved in new model development, or the design and fit-out of new manufacturing facilities, or any number of other projects that have now been fulfilled and completed and hence come to an end.
Headline might as well read " 1000 Jobs To Go As Weather Turns Sunny"
ds buying £75k motors with agricultural engines.Charlie Croker mk2 said:
Yes Diesel , still by far the best for most cars other than really tiny cars . Don't believe the tax collectors who think they are loosing out on revenue . Modern driving is all about torque and not having to rev away to make progress !
If you think that the V8 needs revs to make progress then you are sorely mistaken. I've never driven the V6, but given the general power delivery of a supercharged engine I doubt it much different. The difference is that they can rev if you wish and don't sound like farm machinery.
Just been on the configurator and the only F-type you can buy is the 2.0 4-pot!
Only joking, but it may as well be!
Sounds like we are being fed a load of (insert expletive of your choice) by Jaguar Europe about the V6 and V8 petrols in saloon cars because:
1) The engines are still available in Europe in the F-type and the F-pace (a heavier SUV than the saloons). So presumably they have managed to make these versions emission compliant for Europe so it is technically possible - an XE S weighs no more than an F-type after all.
2) On the US configurator the full range of V6 and V8 petrols across all models remains, so presumably Ford are still supplying the engines from Bridgend until 2019/20 - just like the Lion diesels from Dagenham.
3) If the new range of petrol straight six ingeniums is ready, surely it makes sense to announce these rather than just dropping the current range first then have a gap of a year or two before a petrol is available?
4) The Jaguar marketing dept seems hell bent on hitting its own sales by forcing multicylinder buyers into a Diesel only option at at time when diesel sales are falling dramatically.
Still, they are professionals so must know what they are doing...
Having worked in the motor trade, I know full well that the last statement is untrue, after all, according to manufacturers, every new car is aimed squarely at the active, early adopter, but the reality is that they are often 'disposed of' through fleet or Motability discounts.
The reality of the situation is that, being slow with taking up diesel in the first place, JLR have seen a Diesel only future in Europe and invested heavily in that. However they are going against the curve and what they really should have done is invested in hybrid technology instead - yes there are some versions in Landrovers but as yet there are no hybrid Jagaur options-a type of car that Lexus has proved really suits hybrid technology.
Yes the electric only I-pace is due, but it is expensive and the technology, though improving, is not flexible enough or yet suited to all buyer's needs.
Only joking, but it may as well be!
Sounds like we are being fed a load of (insert expletive of your choice) by Jaguar Europe about the V6 and V8 petrols in saloon cars because:
1) The engines are still available in Europe in the F-type and the F-pace (a heavier SUV than the saloons). So presumably they have managed to make these versions emission compliant for Europe so it is technically possible - an XE S weighs no more than an F-type after all.
2) On the US configurator the full range of V6 and V8 petrols across all models remains, so presumably Ford are still supplying the engines from Bridgend until 2019/20 - just like the Lion diesels from Dagenham.
3) If the new range of petrol straight six ingeniums is ready, surely it makes sense to announce these rather than just dropping the current range first then have a gap of a year or two before a petrol is available?
4) The Jaguar marketing dept seems hell bent on hitting its own sales by forcing multicylinder buyers into a Diesel only option at at time when diesel sales are falling dramatically.
Still, they are professionals so must know what they are doing...
Having worked in the motor trade, I know full well that the last statement is untrue, after all, according to manufacturers, every new car is aimed squarely at the active, early adopter, but the reality is that they are often 'disposed of' through fleet or Motability discounts.
The reality of the situation is that, being slow with taking up diesel in the first place, JLR have seen a Diesel only future in Europe and invested heavily in that. However they are going against the curve and what they really should have done is invested in hybrid technology instead - yes there are some versions in Landrovers but as yet there are no hybrid Jagaur options-a type of car that Lexus has proved really suits hybrid technology.
Yes the electric only I-pace is due, but it is expensive and the technology, though improving, is not flexible enough or yet suited to all buyer's needs.
BenjiS said:
Krikkit said:
JaguarsportXJR said:
Diesel? 
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DIESEL?!?!?!?
Quite. Should've been a V8-powered run-out special imho....
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DIESEL?!?!?!?
Oh... Hold on...
I was sales manager at jag a few years back and work for Land Rover now. Has anyone driven the xj diesel? It’s the worlds best kept secret. It drives really really well and still looks stunning. The v8’s are trying to find their way into svr product which have a waiting list so I guess the v8’s are lining up for them. The diesel is shared with Land Rover and is readily available to use and suits the current car with good mpg. When I was at manchester jag I think we sold about 4 v8 xj’s in 2 years to give you an idea of demand. I guess that’s why they have stuck with diesel. The xj hasn’t got the tech of newer models but to actually drive is better than any other big saloon - The right balance of comfort but still fun to drive. The new model has a big surprise coming so enjoy the current one whilst you can!
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