RE: Advanced driving: Putting Reg Local to the test
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
Surely a coach is what makes the difference between practicing and therefore improving, and simply doing it over and over and getting into bad habits without noticing.
If you're getting into bad habits it will be self-evident before long. Also quite easy to film your own practice and watch later, as long as you have a critical eye. Generally feedback is specific instructor led.vonhosen said:
A coach should be a source of motivation, a facilitator to help people learn how to learn & a catalyst to assist in making sense of what they've experienced.
Certainly could be, Cushion offers this interesting observation "... in-situ models of coaching practice, which identify coaching as a complex, interrelated and inter-dependent process that is firmly embedded within specific social and cultural contexts."Or more simply
Sports coaches assist athletes in developing to their full potential. They are responsible for training athletes in a sport by analyzing their performances, instructing in relevant skills and by providing encouragement. But you are also responsible for the guidance of the athlete in life and their chosen sport.
Consequently, the role of the coach will be many and varied, from instructor, assessor, friend, mentor, facilitator, chauffeur, demonstrator, adviser, supporter, fact finder, motivator, counselor, organizer, planner and the Fountain of all Knowledge.
In relation to sports, the role of the coach is to create the right conditions for learning to happen and to find ways of motivating the athletes. Most athletes are highly motivated and therefore the task is to maintain that motivation and to generate excitement and enthusiasm.
The coach will need to be able to: assist athletes to prepare training programs, communicate effectively with athletes, assist athletes to develop new skills, use evaluation tests to monitor training progress and predict performance. (Topend sports)
Never had coaching from an IAM instructor or coach , but I was lucky to have sessions with a police instructor before I was 20 , then a different police instructor a couple of years later , then did several through the security company that I worked for , defensive driving , anti hijacking and evasive driving .
Safe fast road driving is subtly different to track or rally driving but all can compliment each other .
Learning the clues for the hidden dangers is a life saver , as mentioned in the article the person in a strange place or not dressed for the weather or surroundings , the sudden cloud of debris up ahead on the motorway , reading the body language of the vehicle or driver gives an advance warning .
Fangio when asked how did he know of the accident round the blind bend ? I was in the lead but the crowd weren't looking at me so I knew something had happened ahead .
Safe fast road driving is subtly different to track or rally driving but all can compliment each other .
Learning the clues for the hidden dangers is a life saver , as mentioned in the article the person in a strange place or not dressed for the weather or surroundings , the sudden cloud of debris up ahead on the motorway , reading the body language of the vehicle or driver gives an advance warning .
Fangio when asked how did he know of the accident round the blind bend ? I was in the lead but the crowd weren't looking at me so I knew something had happened ahead .
popeyewhite said:
If you're getting into bad habits it will be self-evident before long. Also quite easy to film your own practice and watch later, as long as you have a critical eye. Generally feedback is specific instructor led.
Feedback tends to be instructor led, but more through default than design. Feedback led by a learner's agenda is often more efficient (in times of time spent to progress) and effective.I'd dispute your first two sentences in part, because they are only true of a learner with insight. That's not the same as a "bad" learner, just that they may have a blind spot.
Whether through instruction or coaching, learners who lack insight benefit from the input of others.
grumpy52 said:
Never had coaching from an IAM instructor or coach , but I was lucky to have sessions with a police instructor before I was 20 , then a different police instructor a couple of years later , then did several through the security company that I worked for , defensive driving , anti hijacking and evasive driving .
Safe fast road driving is subtly different to track or rally driving but all can compliment each other .
Learning the clues for the hidden dangers is a life saver , as mentioned in the article the person in a strange place or not dressed for the weather or surroundings , the sudden cloud of debris up ahead on the motorway , reading the body language of the vehicle or driver gives an advance warning .
Fangio when asked how did he know of the accident round the blind bend ? I was in the lead but the crowd weren't looking at me so I knew something had happened ahead .
Only subtly?Safe fast road driving is subtly different to track or rally driving but all can compliment each other .
Learning the clues for the hidden dangers is a life saver , as mentioned in the article the person in a strange place or not dressed for the weather or surroundings , the sudden cloud of debris up ahead on the motorway , reading the body language of the vehicle or driver gives an advance warning .
Fangio when asked how did he know of the accident round the blind bend ? I was in the lead but the crowd weren't looking at me so I knew something had happened ahead .
blearyeyedboy said:
Feedback tends to be instructor led, but more through default than design. Feedback led by a learner's agenda is often more efficient (in times of time spent to progress) and effective.
I'd dispute your first two sentences in part, because they are only true of a learner with insight. That's not the same as a "bad" learner, just that they may have a blind spot.
Whether through instruction or coaching, learners who lack insight benefit from the input of others.
Hence my I'd dispute your first two sentences in part, because they are only true of a learner with insight. That's not the same as a "bad" learner, just that they may have a blind spot.
Whether through instruction or coaching, learners who lack insight benefit from the input of others.
Popeyewhite said:
"critical eye"
comment.Why did Georgia Stop?
Going way back to page 1 and the second photo, why did Georgia stop?
The road ahead is clear so she can pass the stationary car.
By stopping there, blocking the whole of the left side of the road she is creating a potential hazard to a following vehicle.
So - why did Georgia stop?
Going way back to page 1 and the second photo, why did Georgia stop?
The road ahead is clear so she can pass the stationary car.
By stopping there, blocking the whole of the left side of the road she is creating a potential hazard to a following vehicle.
So - why did Georgia stop?
Edited by Freddie Fitch on Sunday 13th May 21:30
I didn't really mean to start a full on spat on a thread which is simply advertising Reg's obviously valuable services to those who want a driving coach.
It was only the comments at the end suggesting this should be the way to improve everyone's driving ability. It comes up time and time again from people who seem to believe they know 'The Way'. Its often quoted as a method of improving the populations driving in the UK, which of course it wouldn't. It doesn't even get you anything off insurance obviously because it doesn't change your risk of a crash. In fact being a member of a TVR club is more likely to get you money off insurance. I know I've tried.
In my opinion coaching certainly has a value and is a useful tool for furthering ones understanding. It helps with unknown unknowns, and if its a decent coach helps with confidence.
However for 99% of ones time driving we are without a coach driving alone. Socratic or heuristic learners with interest in the subject are going to bounce ahead. Encouraging someone to be an enthusiastic learner in this way is far more powerful than regular 'courses', but how dos one encourage this type of learning in a disinterested population.
It was only the comments at the end suggesting this should be the way to improve everyone's driving ability. It comes up time and time again from people who seem to believe they know 'The Way'. Its often quoted as a method of improving the populations driving in the UK, which of course it wouldn't. It doesn't even get you anything off insurance obviously because it doesn't change your risk of a crash. In fact being a member of a TVR club is more likely to get you money off insurance. I know I've tried.
In my opinion coaching certainly has a value and is a useful tool for furthering ones understanding. It helps with unknown unknowns, and if its a decent coach helps with confidence.
However for 99% of ones time driving we are without a coach driving alone. Socratic or heuristic learners with interest in the subject are going to bounce ahead. Encouraging someone to be an enthusiastic learner in this way is far more powerful than regular 'courses', but how dos one encourage this type of learning in a disinterested population.
julian64 said:
...However for 99% of ones time driving we are without a coach driving alone. Socratic or heuristic learners with interest in the subject are going to bounce ahead. Encouraging someone to be an enthusiastic learner in this way is far more powerful than regular 'courses', but how dos one encourage this type of learning in a disinterested population.
I'm working on it. I should have something to show in a couple of months time. p.m. me anyone who's interested
julian64 said:
I didn't really mean to start a full on spat
I'm genuinely sorry if I've caused upset. I thought, from my end anyway, that we were just having an exchange of views in a friendly way. (I had hoped to learn and not just tell it how I think it is.)I certainly never intended to describe The Way (as you put it)- and I'm sorry if what I typed can be read in that way- only that coaching has value. So do other forms of learning, including self-directed.
julian64 said:
but how dos one encourage this type of learning in a disinterested population.
This is the bit that's tricky. Generally, most teachers or coaches of adults are given people who want to learn.Studies from school children can help but they have the advantage of a captive audience.
You'll never persuade everyone. You may persuade a few through positive role modelling and then try to broaden your reach through tools like social media, to make what you're trying to learn a positive thing to aim for.
Gemaeden said:
I'm working on it. I should have something to show in a couple of months time.
p.m. me anyone who's interested
I'm interested. p.m. me anyone who's interested
hooblah said:
To be honest, everything that was mentioned in the article I do anyway. I haven't had training, just common sense?
I like driving fast and getting from point a to b in the shortest time possible. Years of doing that has wisened me to potential dangers and hazard perception. I taught myself to heel-toe when I started driving, and I have my road positioning down to a tee.
I can imagine how an inexperienced driver or a non-enthusiast could find this beneficial, but just how beneficial would something like this be to someone like me?
Will respect. How do you know you are doing it correctly if nobody has sat with you. Yes you will probably get a lot right but it’s the finer details that make the real difference to a great driveI like driving fast and getting from point a to b in the shortest time possible. Years of doing that has wisened me to potential dangers and hazard perception. I taught myself to heel-toe when I started driving, and I have my road positioning down to a tee.
I can imagine how an inexperienced driver or a non-enthusiast could find this beneficial, but just how beneficial would something like this be to someone like me?
Speary8 said:
hooblah said:
To be honest, everything that was mentioned in the article I do anyway. I haven't had training, just common sense?
I like driving fast and getting from point a to b in the shortest time possible. Years of doing that has wisened me to potential dangers and hazard perception. I taught myself to heel-toe when I started driving, and I have my road positioning down to a tee.
I can imagine how an inexperienced driver or a non-enthusiast could find this beneficial, but just how beneficial would something like this be to someone like me?
Will respect. How do you know you are doing it correctly if nobody has sat with you. Yes you will probably get a lot right but it’s the finer details that make the real difference to a great driveI like driving fast and getting from point a to b in the shortest time possible. Years of doing that has wisened me to potential dangers and hazard perception. I taught myself to heel-toe when I started driving, and I have my road positioning down to a tee.
I can imagine how an inexperienced driver or a non-enthusiast could find this beneficial, but just how beneficial would something like this be to someone like me?
It's good to have the observation and discussion from time to time.
Its great to see valuable driver training delivered by ex-plod, but what is so depressing is those currently serving give an impression that 4mph over the limit is the only thing wrong with our driving, and that we need a day with cheryl, the speed awareness trainer from the local council, who has no idea about driving and has just been trained to deliver the PowerPoint on how 3mph doubles the stopping distance of a 40 year old Ford Granada. Now you could argue that advanced driver training would prevent people such as me from getting caught in the first place, but I wish the entire system promoted and delivered such good training instead.
I've done about 4 AD courses incl. Police, RoSPA, Instructor and security/convoy stuff - I'm planning on sending my boys to Reg when the time comes though, as it's not my bread and butter at the moment and Reg sounds infinitely easier to get along with than 'Daaaad'!
Great to see an article that exposes some of the technique/thinking behind AD; in my mind everyone should do it if they want to drive on the road - impossible I know but it really is a very useful life skill in my opinion.
Great to see an article that exposes some of the technique/thinking behind AD; in my mind everyone should do it if they want to drive on the road - impossible I know but it really is a very useful life skill in my opinion.
I found a morning out with Reg worth every penny, and in the short time we had out on the roads was fantastic. I'm still interested in moving forward with the IAM course, however I'm having to chase my local IAM group (which has been going on since April), so I think I will be contacting my next nearest group.
Estate said:
I found a morning out with Reg worth every penny, and in the short time we had out on the roads was fantastic. I'm still interested in moving forward with the IAM course, however I'm having to chase my local IAM group (which has been going on since April), so I think I will be contacting my next nearest group.
if you are having issues with IAM groups, there is no IAM forum, but it hs been replaced by one on AD Hub (advanceddrivinghub.com) and there are lots of very active IAM and RoSPA folks on there...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff