Mercedes using Renault engines
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Merc have been doing this for years the Citan van is a Renault
I sometimes have that A class thing on hire It is simply a Renault everything on it says Renault
I would never buy one If you want to part with good money for a Renault thats up to you
As far back as the late 80s BMW were puting Citroen blocks on bikes
I sometimes have that A class thing on hire It is simply a Renault everything on it says Renault
I would never buy one If you want to part with good money for a Renault thats up to you
As far back as the late 80s BMW were puting Citroen blocks on bikes
What's the problem?
The actual components that really matter like piston rings and camshafts and valves and bearings and everything else inside an engine know nothing of badge snobbery or brand image, those values are only what people who live their lives guided by snobbery or brand image assign to them.
An engine is nothing more than a collection of parts designed to extract energy from fuel as efficiently as possible. It doesn't matter who's badge is on the cam cover or who actually designed and built it, all that's actually needed is for those parts to be made to a level of precision to do the job they are intended to do for as long as they are intended to do it for and that level of precision could be found equally well in either a Ferrari or Dacia factory or even any machine shop on any industrial estate. It has to be otherwise whatever you're machining won't work. Badge snobs wouldn't actually have a clue if you gave them a piston or a valve from each factory and asked them to tell you which was which or explain how the Ferrari one was superior to the Dacia one or the industrial estate one.
So no, no problem at all. It's the engineering that actually matters and anybody who thinks differently or who thinks Mercedes using Renault engines is somehow wrong is simply revealing a lot about themselves.
The actual components that really matter like piston rings and camshafts and valves and bearings and everything else inside an engine know nothing of badge snobbery or brand image, those values are only what people who live their lives guided by snobbery or brand image assign to them.
An engine is nothing more than a collection of parts designed to extract energy from fuel as efficiently as possible. It doesn't matter who's badge is on the cam cover or who actually designed and built it, all that's actually needed is for those parts to be made to a level of precision to do the job they are intended to do for as long as they are intended to do it for and that level of precision could be found equally well in either a Ferrari or Dacia factory or even any machine shop on any industrial estate. It has to be otherwise whatever you're machining won't work. Badge snobs wouldn't actually have a clue if you gave them a piston or a valve from each factory and asked them to tell you which was which or explain how the Ferrari one was superior to the Dacia one or the industrial estate one.
So no, no problem at all. It's the engineering that actually matters and anybody who thinks differently or who thinks Mercedes using Renault engines is somehow wrong is simply revealing a lot about themselves.
king arthur said:
The new Crafter is VW's own design though which leaves Merc a bit out on a limb with the Sprinter, so I wouldn't be surprised if the next Sprinter and Renault Master share parts if not design - given that the Renault will no longer be sold as an Opel/Vauxhall.
New Sprinter is just about to be launched. With the old Sprinter/Crafter tie up, many parts were cheaper from MB than VWbimsb6 said:
Some mercs are built in south africa .
And Austria, America, Finland, Hungary and Spain. There is a Sprinter factory in Argentina, and of course the Citan in France.90% of C Class saloons are built in the East London factory in South Africa and you can't tell the difference in build quality between that and an estate built at Bremen
lord trumpton said:
BMW Mini used a Peugeot/BMW designed engine.
McLaren F1 use Renault engines
They are all at it - the b
ds 
The shared engine in the Mini R56 Cooper S was god awful. I had one and the engine used 1L of oil every 600 miles, which Mini said was within their tolerance. I was pretty pissed that a brand new car would use this amount of oil, it made running costs for a 1.6 very expensive. Oh and then the timing chain slipped, so that was another fun bill. Oh, and then the fuel pump died. Oh and then the chain stretched again, so started slapping around in the chain casing. McLaren F1 use Renault engines
They are all at it - the b
ds Apart from the issues, my god I loved that Cooper S. It sounded like a gatling gun on over-run and handed pretty well once the run flats were replaced.
I have rambled, sorry not sorry
PB
Thesprucegoose said:
A lot off the bat would say I would never buy french yet they inadvertently have. It is funny really all the lease mercs powered by a Frenchie. Works well for both though.
This. I've always considered the French to be good at making engines anyway, and probably make some of the best Diesel engines in the world. yellowbentines said:
Richard-390a0 said:
A couple of other Merc 'shares' for you - the Sprinter & VW Crafter share the same body shell....
I think the Sprinters are shipped back to Merc to have the special 'rapid rust enhancer' coating applied though.Thesprucegoose said:
A lot off the bat would say I would never buy french yet they inadvertently have. It is funny really all the lease mercs powered by a Frenchie. Works well for both though.
Mini owners telling every one how German they are makes me laugh too.My Gfs Duster has the 1.5 Dci lump, it's a good little engine.
Aidancky said:
Mercedes have been doing it for a long while. Their standards are dropping and from personal experience their commercial vehicles are getting pretty unreliable.
It's why I barely see Merc as a proper premium brand any more, they've dropped their quality standards so much.
That's nothing to do with french engines. If they were sIt's why I barely see Merc as a proper premium brand any more, they've dropped their quality standards so much.
t they wouldn't use them.Capitalc said:
I hang my head in shame..why does everyone knock them then?
The 1.5DCI engine is a great little engine and has been used across various platforms and manufacturers.I'd have no issues with it. Fairly common for even "premium" manufacturers to use other manufacturers engines. BMW did it for a long time with the MINI. Volvo and Ford have used PSA engines.
Aidancky said:
Mercedes have been doing it for a long while. Their standards are dropping and from personal experience their commercial vehicles are getting pretty unreliable.
So bad they can guarantee a 98% up time and if there is a problem you'll be dropped straight in to a replacement van no questions asked. Mobilo will do free repairs up to the value of £130 on site which includes things like replacing mirrors and lights. All of the biggest courier companies use MB product, they don't buy them because they're the cheapest, so there must be another reason 
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