RE: Honda Integra Type R DC2: PH Buying Guide
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TameRacingDriver said:
The DC2 is a good chunk better than a T-Sport in almost every way I would say.
Friend had a T-Sport, and aside from a more modern interior it felt like a watered-down DC2. Engine felt flatter and less characterful too (not just that car...felt the same about it in a 111R). Not a bad car...just not a DC2.
I've owned both Teg is way more track focus but as a drag car the celica will be that bit quicker stock vs stock on both the UK markets, you rarely find a stock Teg also, they downed the figures on the celica to make them cheaper to insure but do the maths celica has 193bhp 1100kg 182 n/m Uk Teg 187bhp 1145kg 178 n/m. The 2zz was that bit more modern and advanced and lighter also in japan they have a 203bhp 187n/m version found in the sports m the JDM teg has 197bhp supposedly.
Teg has the double wishbone suspension from standard celica only got that with the Sports M which had loads of trd goodies and was a proper track weapon with over 200bhp and longer lift from 5700rpm to 8700rpm that's why lotus went with this engine for the exige at the time then Honda dropped the B18 and brought out the K20.
Teg has the double wishbone suspension from standard celica only got that with the Sports M which had loads of trd goodies and was a proper track weapon with over 200bhp and longer lift from 5700rpm to 8700rpm that's why lotus went with this engine for the exige at the time then Honda dropped the B18 and brought out the K20.
Edited by dufunk on Tuesday 15th May 15:05
dufunk said:
celica has 193bhp 1100kg 182 n/m
:cough: 1,215kgListen chap...the Celica's a nice car, alright. But it's NOT a 'teg. And stats count for nothing, otherwise we wouldn't even be having this thread...DC2 is the antithesis of a top-trumps car.
So, if dufunk and leon haven't closed the thread down, can we get back on-topic???
dufunk said:
I've owned both Teg is way more track focus but as a drag car the celica will be that bit quicker stock vs stock on both the UK markets, you rarely find a stock Teg also, they downed the figures on the celica to make them cheaper to insure but do the maths celica has 193bhp 1100kg 182 n/m Uk Teg 187bhp 1145kg 178 n/m. The 2zz was that bit more modern and advanced and lighter also in japan they have a 203bhp 187n/m version found in the sports m the JDM teg has 197bhp supposedly.
Teg has the double wishbone suspension from standard celica only got that with the Sports M which had loads of trd goodies and was a proper track weapon with over 200bhp and longer lift from 5700rpm to 8700rpm that's why lotus went with this engine for the exige at the time then Honda dropped the B18 and brought out the K20.
Last bit isn’t true, Lotus went with Toyota for engine supply after Honda weren’t willing to up production of the K20. Teg has the double wishbone suspension from standard celica only got that with the Sports M which had loads of trd goodies and was a proper track weapon with over 200bhp and longer lift from 5700rpm to 8700rpm that's why lotus went with this engine for the exige at the time then Honda dropped the B18 and brought out the K20.
Edited by dufunk on Tuesday 15th May 15:05
Another thing, I’ve read that the 2ZZ as standard doesn’t really produce its claimed power anyway. Some of the MR2 boys doing engine swaps say you have to do a few mods just to get it to 190 bhp. They are more like 170ish as standard, which would explain why it felt slower than my 182 at the time - a car which itself usually produced about 10 down on standard, but is good chunk lighter at 1090kg.
Your probably getting confused with the 2zz in the American market they put out 180bhp. UK/EU 2zz are genuine figures have known quite a few 2zz make 200bhp to crank with a few breathing mods. GT86 is the one with miss quoted figures more like 187bhp instead of 197bhp and the celica really does take the piss out of them. If that is the true weight the celica and corolla do pretty well to hit 6.5 to 60 and 15 second quarter mile.
Edited by dufunk on Wednesday 16th May 10:54
havoc said:
In that regard the K20 is a major step forwards. Shame the B18C sounds so bloody good...
Mind I’ll give credit where its due to the Celica, that also sounded DAMN good to my ears.
I think the B18 sounds fantastic! Certainly you can never tire of revving it out.
It punches above its weight thanks to being slim & aerodynamic.
Bolt on mods plus a decent map will net a true ~200bhp/135lbs.ft all from a standard unit.
Things have moved on nowadays but a humble DC2 can very much still hold its own on a decent stretch of road
It punches above its weight thanks to being slim & aerodynamic.
Bolt on mods plus a decent map will net a true ~200bhp/135lbs.ft all from a standard unit.
Things have moved on nowadays but a humble DC2 can very much still hold its own on a decent stretch of road
chrismc1977 said:
FWIW- the Integra is no different in that they tend not to make the factory figures either....
Standard UK cars are probably 180 at best with the JDMs a few up thanks to better manifold & Cat
Carefully researched mods can tease a little more from them
My UKDM B18c6 pulled hard on the stock ECU! Had a play at Snetterton with one of my friends in a JDM DC2, which had been mapped with lower VTEC and a few mods (think it was 204bhp on an honest roller), and I reeled him in down the back straight. We were both shocked. Standard UK cars are probably 180 at best with the JDMs a few up thanks to better manifold & Cat
Carefully researched mods can tease a little more from them
The B18s are great, and yeah the sound takes some beating, but a DC2 with a K20 is another level. Mine will be K24 soon, should be another step in the right direction!
acme said:
If anyone has one or knows of a decent standard one for sale please let me know.....
Cheers
Very thin on the ground now & prices have rocketed. All the best with your search.Cheers
Took my DC2 round Castle Combe a couple of weeks back in the wet. Gave up after lunch as there had been so many incidents
Car was absolutely ace though. Nothing passed me all morning. Engine was strong up top after recent service & valve clearances.
Still a brilliant FWD tool as standard.
Going to get it rebushed over the winter (now 18yr old originals/63k miles).
chrismc1977 said:
Very thin on the ground now & prices have rocketed. All the best with your search.
Took my DC2 round Castle Combe a couple of weeks back in the wet. Gave up after lunch as there had been so many incidents
Car was absolutely ace though. Nothing passed me all morning. Engine was strong up top after recent service & valve clearances.
Still a brilliant FWD tool as standard.
Going to get it rebushed over the winter (now 18yr old originals/63k miles).
Fancy selling me yours then?! (I've read the thread on yours)Took my DC2 round Castle Combe a couple of weeks back in the wet. Gave up after lunch as there had been so many incidents
Car was absolutely ace though. Nothing passed me all morning. Engine was strong up top after recent service & valve clearances.
Still a brilliant FWD tool as standard.
Going to get it rebushed over the winter (now 18yr old originals/63k miles).
All the advice I've been given is to re bush as standard, are shocks a known weak point at all?
Cheers
Edited by acme on Friday 26th October 13:21
acme said:
Fancy selling me yours then?! (I've read the thread on yours)
All the advice I've been given is to re bush as standard, are shocks a known weak point at all?
Cheers
Rebush is a definite!All the advice I've been given is to re bush as standard, are shocks a known weak point at all?
Cheers
Edited by acme on Friday 26th October 13:21
Dampers are generally pretty hardy. A lot of folk jump on the coilover bandwagon when it’s mainly the bushes that are tired rather than the dampers tbh
chrismc1977 said:
Rebush is a definite!
Dampers are generally pretty hardy. A lot of folk jump on the coilover bandwagon when it’s mainly the bushes that are tired rather than the dampers tbh
Dampers are generally pretty hardy. A lot of folk jump on the coilover bandwagon when it’s mainly the bushes that are tired rather than the dampers tbh
And the spring/damper combination is the other half of the fantastic handling - coilovers won't help - cheap ones will make everything worse, while expensive ones will give you more capability on-track but (probably) still lose you a little of the on-road ability...
chrismc1977 said:
Rebush is a definite!
Dampers are generally pretty hardy. A lot of folk jump on the coilover bandwagon when it’s mainly the bushes that are tired rather than the dampers tbh
I'm very wary as I have another old 90's car which came with monroe coilovers which often fail (apparently) at circa 50k, many changed to Bilsteins and often felt they were too stiff. I guess the fairly light weight of an ITR means there's no need to go rock hard either.Dampers are generally pretty hardy. A lot of folk jump on the coilover bandwagon when it’s mainly the bushes that are tired rather than the dampers tbh
Just got to locate one now!
havoc said:
And the spring/damper combination is the other half of the fantastic handling - coilovers won't help - cheap ones will make everything worse, while expensive ones will give you more capability on-track but (probably) still lose you a little of the on-road ability...
The stock setup is ace.
As with everything on the Integra its very easy for folk to make things worse & not easy/cheap to improve them.
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