IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?

[Welshbeef]

Is there any word if 2018 will see a flying lap attempt from a car this year? Last year was missed but this year with so many top riders out maybe it is back??

[Mr Tidy]

Welshbeef said:

Is there any word if 2018 will see a flying lap attempt from a car this year? Last year was missed but this year with so many top riders out maybe it is back??

Hopefully not - it's just too slow!

[Welshbeef]

Lol yes it was - even beating by an EV bike last year.

But still it’s good to see how superior the bikes are relative to a good car round the track. Also how much risk those riders are willing to take beggars belief.

[Welshbeef]

https://youtu.be/pFqJ3p3L0rI

This however is Bole racing at its absolute best

[DoubleD]

Be interesting to see how quick a very fast car would be. I wonder what an F1 car could do!

[warch]

Is this as in Mark Higgins again? As a keen TT fan and rallying enthusiast I am very interested in this, it's amazing how much more narrow and confined it makes the (already narrow and confined) circuit look.


Regardless of whether a car actually managed to exceed the average speed achieved on a bike, (which is now a whisker under 134mph!) it is an interesting spectacle. IIRC it needed a WRC spec car with twice as much power to reach 128mph. Finding those extra six mph is going to be a struggle.

[warch]

DoubleD said:

Be interesting to see how quick a very fast car would be. I wonder what an F1 car could do!

An F1 car simply wouldn't work on a circuit like the TT, it'd get wedged on the jumps at standard height or become unstable if you adjusted it to clear them. I think the best option would probably be something like a Pike's Peak car.

[RB Will]

Welshbeef said:

Lol yes it was - even beating by an EV bike last year.

Could be me being blind but according to the TT website and wiki the fastest electric bike (TTZero) is about 7 mph slower than the car?
The only things that gave the car a good kicking were the 1litre bikes.

[Mike335i]

DoubleD said:

Be interesting to see how quick a very fast car would be. I wonder what an F1 car could do!

Not sure it would handle the bumpy surface well haha.

I think pushing standard road cars to their limits is more interesting and relevant than heavily modified or racing cars. I want to see how fast an M3, an Elise, a 370z, a 488 GTB or even a Golf R can be pushed by a pro driver across a real road.

[Welshbeef]

Fastest sectors “the perfect lap” 16:48.656@134.662mph
Outright lap record 16:53.929 @133.962mph(2016)
TT superbike lap record 16:58.254@133.393mph(2016)
Higgins Subaru lap record 17:35@128.73mph (2016)
Supersport lap record 17:35.659@128.666mph(2013)
TT Zero Lao record 18:58.743@119..279mph(2015)
Higgins first attempt 19:15.88 c118mph(2014)

So he needs to find 41.2 seconds over the 37.73mile lap or 1.0919second each and every mile.

Using that same car I cannot see him taking that much time away as to me the video looked right on it and no evident mistakes. He was very committed - IMHO. So he probably get the best possible out of that specific car.

The Subaru WRX STI developed 600bhp slick tyres and drag reduction system.

I doubt the M3 would get close to the time set by Mark. To be frank I think to beat that time you’d need another race prepared car - no road going car would get close IMHO. Fun trying though.

[RB Will]

Welshbeef said:

Fastest sectors “the perfect lap” 16:48.656@134.662mph
Outright lap record 16:53.929 @133.962mph(2016)
TT superbike lap record 16:58.254@133.393mph(2016)
Higgins Subaru lap record 17:35@128.73mph (2016)
Supersport lap record 17:35.659@128.666mph(2013)
TT Zero Lao record 18:58.743@119..279mph(2015)
Higgins first attempt 19:15.88 c118mph(2014)

So he needs to find 41.2 seconds over the 37.73mile lap or 1.0919second each and every mile.

Using that same car I cannot see him taking that much time away as to me the video looked right on it and no evident mistakes. He was very committed - IMHO. So he probably get the best possible out of that specific car.

The Subaru WRX STI developed 600bhp slick tyres and drag reduction system.

I doubt the M3 would get close to the time set by Mark. To be frank I think to beat that time you’d need another race prepared car - no road going car would get close IMHO. Fun trying though.

Not saying it would in practice but in theory a current 911 GT2 might give it a good crack. The GT2 RS was about 10 secs a lap quicker at the Nürburgring than the IOM Subaru so x3 for distance and that's 30 secs at the IOM so only 10 secs to find, also the GT2 got most of if not all that time from accelerating much quicker and having a higher top speed which would give it an even bigger advantage over the Subaru at the IOM.

Higgins also said after the last run that there were many areas he could improve on and he thinks a 130mph lap was possible, their last lap got cancelled as a biker fell off. So if that Subaru was capable of a 130 lap then using the same theory for the Porsche it shouldn't have any trouble beating the bikes.

[Debaser]

I bet this could go faster than the Subaru, and the bikes.

[Welshbeef]

I’m guessing that as there is nothing in the press or twitter for Higgins then there is yet another year with no attempt/ maybe that it for good or decades of waiting like the Tony Pond 827i Vitesse 100mph run

[Red 4]

Debaser said:

I bet this could go faster than the Subaru, and the bikes.

Hmm.

Dunno. Car designed for track quicker than a superbike or tarmac spec rally car around the island roads ?

Interwesting, velly interwesting ... I suspect not. But hey, I've been wrong (very rarely) before.

[Matthen]

I'd be interested to see a V8 Ariel Atom do the lap; somewhat lighter than the Prodrive Subaru was.


Could always turbo it up to 600 bhp if 500 isn't enough.

[Welshbeef]

How about a Rimec One?

[robinh73]

Red 4 said:

Debaser said:

I bet this could go faster than the Subaru, and the bikes.

Hmm.

Dunno. Car designed for track quicker than a superbike or tarmac spec rally car around the island roads ?

Interwesting, velly interwesting ... I suspect not. But hey, I've been wrong (very rarely) before.

I doubt it would last beyond Glen Helen at the 9th milestone. It would simply destroy itself on the far from billiard top road surface.

[CO2000]

This with a bigger fuel tank and the right gearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kufacVXlSc

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

I’m guessing that as there is nothing in the press or twitter for Higgins then there is yet another year with no attempt/ maybe that it for good or decades of waiting like the Tony Pond 827i Vitesse 100mph run

I've got the vhs video of the Tony Pond lap in the loft somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnKyMgry9iQ

And here's my Sister and (ex)husband in 1998. Slightly related, as he and lots of the other sidecar riders used the Tony Pond video to learn the track.

[robinh73]

CO2000 said:

This with a bigger fuel tank and the right gearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kufacVXlSc

Again I doubt it would survive quarter of a lap. The surface is far from perfect and with virtually no suspension travel, that hill climb machine would be in pieces. Even if the car survived a lap, the poor sod trying to guide it would be severely broken.