IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?
Discussion
robinh73 said:
Red 4 said:
Debaser said:
I bet this could go faster than the Subaru, and the bikes.
Hmm.Dunno. Car designed for track quicker than a superbike or tarmac spec rally car around the island roads ?
Interwesting, velly interwesting ... I suspect not. But hey, I've been wrong (very rarely) before.
Plenty of "prototype" style cars take part in euro hill climbs with no problems. Years ago Radical drove one of theirs the hundreds of miles to the Nürburgring, set a lap record that no bike has ever come near and drove home again all in one piece.
Did the IOM Subaru look like it was having any problems with bumps? No.
Anyway just for fun here is a sim of the Porsche doing a lap of the IOM. It wouldn't even need to be going near flat out to smash the bikes. Yes I know this is all theoretical but that is all we have to go on unfortunately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD382MqXPB8&t=...
warch said:
DoubleD said:
Be interesting to see how quick a very fast car would be. I wonder what an F1 car could do!
An F1 car simply wouldn't work on a circuit like the TT, it'd get wedged on the jumps at standard height or become unstable if you adjusted it to clear them. I think the best option would probably be something like a Pike's Peak car.Nanook said:
Welshbeef said:
Just seen the news sadly Dan Kneen killed in a TT crash during the qualifying of the superbike.
He had set the fastest lap ever of the course on Tuesday at 132.258mph
Michael Dunlop was doing 133s in 2016.He had set the fastest lap ever of the course on Tuesday at 132.258mph
Do you just make things up as you go along?
Sorry don’t get uppity especially on the death of someone. I simply read this link.
I'd reckon a current F1 car driven at full potential would smash the lap record. Surely the car can be set up/adjusted for the IOM lap. The cars are adjusted quite a bit for Monaco for example and the outright Goodwood hill climb record is still held by an old F1 car.
Either that or the current quickest LeMan car, they are built for endurance, I am sure the IOM wouldn't give it much issues.
Either that or the current quickest LeMan car, they are built for endurance, I am sure the IOM wouldn't give it much issues.
RB Will said:
robinh73 said:
Red 4 said:
Debaser said:
I bet this could go faster than the Subaru, and the bikes.
Hmm.Dunno. Car designed for track quicker than a superbike or tarmac spec rally car around the island roads ?
Interwesting, velly interwesting ... I suspect not. But hey, I've been wrong (very rarely) before.
Plenty of "prototype" style cars take part in euro hill climbs with no problems. Years ago Radical drove one of theirs the hundreds of miles to the Nürburgring, set a lap record that no bike has ever come near and drove home again all in one piece.
Did the IOM Subaru look like it was having any problems with bumps? No.
Anyway just for fun here is a sim of the Porsche doing a lap of the IOM. It wouldn't even need to be going near flat out to smash the bikes. Yes I know this is all theoretical but that is all we have to go on unfortunately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD382MqXPB8&t=...
Nanook said:
Welshbeef said:
Just seen the news sadly Dan Kneen killed in a TT crash during the qualifying of the superbike.
He had set the fastest lap ever of the course on Tuesday at 132.258mph
Michael Dunlop was doing 133s in 2016.He had set the fastest lap ever of the course on Tuesday at 132.258mph
Do you just make things up as you go along?
The Porsche 919 did a 1:38 lap of Silverstone in qualifying for the 6hr race last year.
MotoGP pole position time was 1:59.
21secs over 3.666 miles or 5.73 secs per mile.
Say Porsche makes some modifications to the suspension and raise the ride height to handle the bumps, crowns and cambers of the IOM and this reduces the performance by 20%, which is likely to be a 50% reduction in cornering ability with acceleration, top speed and braking being much less effected.
This will result in a lap time around Silverstone 1:57, still 2secs per lap faster than a Moto GP bike, or 0.54sec/mile.
Even if the Porsche 919 had to slow to a crawl to get over a hump backed bridge, I think there would be sufficient spare performance to surpass any bike time around the IOM TT course.
MotoGP pole position time was 1:59.
21secs over 3.666 miles or 5.73 secs per mile.
Say Porsche makes some modifications to the suspension and raise the ride height to handle the bumps, crowns and cambers of the IOM and this reduces the performance by 20%, which is likely to be a 50% reduction in cornering ability with acceleration, top speed and braking being much less effected.
This will result in a lap time around Silverstone 1:57, still 2secs per lap faster than a Moto GP bike, or 0.54sec/mile.
Even if the Porsche 919 had to slow to a crawl to get over a hump backed bridge, I think there would be sufficient spare performance to surpass any bike time around the IOM TT course.
stevesingo said:
The Porsche 919 did a 1:38 lap of Silverstone in qualifying for the 6hr race last year.
MotoGP pole position time was 1:59.
21secs over 3.666 miles or 5.73 secs per mile.
Say Porsche makes some modifications to the suspension and raise the ride height to handle the bumps, crowns and cambers of the IOM and this reduces the performance by 20%, which is likely to be a 50% reduction in cornering ability with acceleration, top speed and braking being much less effected.
This will result in a lap time around Silverstone 1:57, still 2secs per lap faster than a Moto GP bike, or 0.54sec/mile.
Even if the Porsche 919 had to slow to a crawl to get over a hump backed bridge, I think there would be sufficient spare performance to surpass any bike time around the IOM TT course.
Could be interesting for sure and could make for impressive viewing.MotoGP pole position time was 1:59.
21secs over 3.666 miles or 5.73 secs per mile.
Say Porsche makes some modifications to the suspension and raise the ride height to handle the bumps, crowns and cambers of the IOM and this reduces the performance by 20%, which is likely to be a 50% reduction in cornering ability with acceleration, top speed and braking being much less effected.
This will result in a lap time around Silverstone 1:57, still 2secs per lap faster than a Moto GP bike, or 0.54sec/mile.
Even if the Porsche 919 had to slow to a crawl to get over a hump backed bridge, I think there would be sufficient spare performance to surpass any bike time around the IOM TT course.
Why didn’t you just continue the bore-fest thread from last year where you tried to goad bikers into arguments about cars v bikes on the TT circuit?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No one cares about a car lapping the TT course.
It’s an event for bikes, for bikers and fans to enjoy.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No one cares about a car lapping the TT course.
It’s an event for bikes, for bikers and fans to enjoy.
robinh73 said:
Have you ever been to the Isle of Man and lapped the Mountain Circuit? The Nurburgring is nothing like the TT circuit. The Porsche 919 is designed to run on Tarmac, that is where the similarity ends. The TT course is a public road that is closed off to allow for racing to take place. It is not billiard top smooth and has peaks, crests and a jump at one bridge. The Subaru that Mark Higgins took round is more akin to road rally spec, so does have suspension travel to allow for the demands of the TT course. As someone who has competed around the circuit, I know how bumpy it is and how something that is purely track focused would not stand a chance there.
So for example a dedicated track car like say a Formula 1 car would not be able to get around the IOM and would fall apart after 5 seconds. Except they don't, even a 25 year old one in the pissing rain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlxuzLGqT7U
A modern GP car is about 10 secs a lap quicker than that one around Monaco so would be miles up round the TT course.
Another example would be the old footage of superkarts racing on the IOM streets. They don't even have suspension and are coping just fine.
robinh73 said:
Have you ever been to the Isle of Man and lapped the Mountain Circuit? The Nurburgring is nothing like the TT circuit. The Porsche 919 is designed to run on Tarmac, that is where the similarity ends. The TT course is a public road that is closed off to allow for racing to take place. It is not billiard top smooth and has peaks, crests and a jump at one bridge. The Subaru that Mark Higgins took round is more akin to road rally spec, so does have suspension travel to allow for the demands of the TT course. As someone who has competed around the circuit, I know how bumpy it is and how something that is purely track focused would not stand a chance there.
The 919 evo is so fast, that at the scary jump bridge bit, it could park on top of the bridge, they could change the drivers round, have a quick chat, and it would still be faster than anything that has ever been around.This thread pops up every year, and the fact that members of site so dedicated to cars don't understand the difference in abilities between a very very very very fast car (what Mark Higgins took round), and a race car is astounding.
PorkInsider said:
Why didn’t you just continue the bore-fest thread from last year where you tried to goad bikers into arguments about cars v bikes on the TT circuit?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No one cares about a car lapping the TT course.
It’s an event for bikes, for bikers and fans to enjoy.
I’d say they do elsehttps://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No one cares about a car lapping the TT course.
It’s an event for bikes, for bikers and fans to enjoy.
Tony Pond would never have done it
Higgins and Subaru wouldn’t have attempted it on two different TT years
Also from the posts each year on Pistonheads be it purely for interest or from an engineering perspective.
It’s never a bike v car question really - only 5th gear ever did that race some Yamaha vs a 135i and then a E60 M5 v an R1(??) round thruxton oh and Top Gear one Xmas video did it a bike v a 911.
Red 4 said:
How big is that 919 compared to the Subaru ?
Apart from everything else that has been mentioned, the TT course is quite narrow in places.
I could also imagine the Porsche having a bit of trouble at Ramsey Hairpin. It's probably got the turning circle of a battleship.
My thoughts too, same at the Hairpin at the start of the mountain. It would require a many point turn to negotiate the turn. Apart from everything else that has been mentioned, the TT course is quite narrow in places.
I could also imagine the Porsche having a bit of trouble at Ramsey Hairpin. It's probably got the turning circle of a battleship.
robinh73 said:
Have you ever been to the Isle of Man and lapped the Mountain Circuit? The Nurburgring is nothing like the TT circuit. The Porsche 919 is designed to run on Tarmac, that is where the similarity ends. The TT course is a public road that is closed off to allow for racing to take place. It is not billiard top smooth and has peaks, crests and a jump at one bridge. The Subaru that Mark Higgins took round is more akin to road rally spec, so does have suspension travel to allow for the demands of the TT course. As someone who has competed around the circuit, I know how bumpy it is and how something that is purely track focused would not stand a chance there.
I've driven it in the TVR and in places at speed it gets very narrow. I grounded out the exhaust in a couple of places on the bumps...robinh73 said:
CO2000 said:
Again I doubt it would survive quarter of a lap. The surface is far from perfect and with virtually no suspension travel, that hill climb machine would be in pieces. Even if the car survived a lap, the poor sod trying to guide it would be severely broken.
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