IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?

IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?

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Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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wormus said:
Look away from what, have you found the 919 you were looking for?
The one used to destroy Spa and The ring.

It’s not been scrapped so whoever owns it maybe offer it up to McNish for 2019 TT else you’ll have the civic hot hatch

BaronVonVaderham

2,316 posts

146 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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CypSIdders said:
DoubleD said:
And I would be interested to see what something like a 919 could do
You're going to be waiting a long time, a very long time and even then it's never going to happen!
The reality is you'll never know, ever!
Luddite.

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Welshbeef said:
wormus said:
Look away from what, have you found the 919 you were looking for?
The one used to destroy Spa and The ring.

It’s not been scrapped so whoever owns it maybe offer it up to McNish for 2019 TT else you’ll have the civic hot hatch
How can a car "destroy" a racing circuit? Yes I know it's modern 'hip' argot (or at least it was about ten minutes ago, for about ten minutes) but its use just sounds stupid and juvenile.

wormus

14,509 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Welshbeef said:
The one used to destroy Spa and The ring.

It’s not been scrapped so whoever owns it maybe offer it up to McNish for 2019 TT else you’ll have the civic hot hatch
The Civics are for transporting portly company execs around the circuit. Not sure how many of those you’ll get in a 919. It’ll almost certainly ruin the handling!

robinh73

917 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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blade7 said:
DoubleD said:
And I would be interested to see what something like a 919 could do
So would I. I'd also like to see what a TT bike with a 300 bhp engine could do.
The reality is that with 300bhp, it would probably not be as fast as you think. A superbike is about on the limit power wise for what you can physically handle, a superstock 1000 is actually more useable.

BaronVonVaderham

2,316 posts

146 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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robinh73 said:
blade7 said:
DoubleD said:
And I would be interested to see what something like a 919 could do
So would I. I'd also like to see what a TT bike with a 300 bhp engine could do.
The reality is that with 300bhp, it would probably not be as fast as you think. A superbike is about on the limit power wise for what you can physically handle, a superstock 1000 is actually more useable.
With 4 wheels one can handle 1200+hp and huge aero loads. Bet that would be quicker than a 300 hp bike wink

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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robinh73 said:
The reality is that with 300bhp, it would probably not be as fast as you think. A superbike is about on the limit power wise for what you can physically handle, a superstock 1000 is actually more useable.
I think on certain parts of the course it would be very fast.

Gary C

12,313 posts

178 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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So, if it's a totally clean sheet design

Single seat, mid engine four wheels with enough active suspension travel to ride the bumps at full speed and lots of active aero. Light so 300-400 hp compact supercharged v8.

So anyone for a twzzy with an ariel atom v8 smile

robinh73

917 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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blade7 said:
robinh73 said:
The reality is that with 300bhp, it would probably not be as fast as you think. A superbike is about on the limit power wise for what you can physically handle, a superstock 1000 is actually more useable.
I think on certain parts of the course it would be very fast.
Sulby straight it would be rapid and up the mountain, but over the rest of the circuit, the power wouldn't be useable. I went from superstock to superbike there and was no faster, it was not possible to use the power (a more talented rider would be able to but I struggled).

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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Gary C said:
So, if it's a totally clean sheet design

Single seat, mid engine four wheels with enough active suspension travel to ride the bumps at full speed and lots of active aero. Light so 300-400 hp compact supercharged v8.

So anyone for a twzzy with an ariel atom v8 smile
Isn't there a KERS powered one with wings and stuff ? Probably need a charge half way round though laugh

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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robinh73 said:
Sulby straight it would be rapid and up the mountain, but over the rest of the circuit, the power wouldn't be useable. I went from superstock to superbike there and was no faster, it was not possible to use the power (a more talented rider would be able to but I struggled).
I'm thinking of someone like DJ that perhaps could have muscled the bike around, how many mph might he have added?

robinh73

917 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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blade7 said:
robinh73 said:
Sulby straight it would be rapid and up the mountain, but over the rest of the circuit, the power wouldn't be useable. I went from superstock to superbike there and was no faster, it was not possible to use the power (a more talented rider would be able to but I struggled).
I'm thinking of someone like DJ that perhaps could have muscled the bike around, how many mph might he have added?
It is so hard to say really. DJ would have been up to it certainly but I do honestly think that 300hp would still be too much. Maybe at somewhere like the Ulster GP it may help, as it is much smoother and more flowing but the TT course is just brutal.

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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I don't know what it takes to ride fast around there, just watching on board laps makes me think shiiiit. Mind you plenty of GP stars don't fancy it either.

robinh73

917 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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blade7 said:
I don't know what it takes to ride fast around there, just watching on board laps makes me think shiiiit. Mind you plenty of GP stars don't fancy it either.
It has its moments there for sure, as does any road cicuit, but it definitely lends itself to a 2 wheel lap record rather than 4.

Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Grahamdub said:
Gary C said:
So, if it's a totally clean sheet design

Single seat, mid engine four wheels with enough active suspension travel to ride the bumps at full speed and lots of active aero. Light so 300-400 hp compact supercharged v8.

So anyone for a twzzy with an ariel atom v8 smile
Isn't there a KERS powered one with wings and stuff ? Probably need a charge half way round though laugh
Good luck with that project!

Make sure you tell Peter Hickman how you got on. laugh



coppice

8,562 posts

143 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Halmyre said:
How can a car "destroy" a racing circuit? Yes I know it's modern 'hip' argot (or at least it was about ten minutes ago, for about ten minutes) but its use just sounds stupid and juvenile.
I assume poster was either 13 or worked as an Autosport journalist . The reality is that the 919 didn't destroy anything , literally or metaphorically. It certainly didn't set a new lap record at Spa or the Ring - lap records are set in races , not even in qualifying - so the best we can say is that it set an unofficial time which no other one off special in a private, traffic free, test session has yet beaten... Amazing speed , but the only thing it can beat is itself.

BaronVonVaderham

2,316 posts

146 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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robinh73 said:
It has its moments there for sure, as does any road cicuit, but it definitely lends itself to a 2 wheel lap record rather than 4.
Like every other circuit in existence? Respect to you for having raced there, but pull the other one biggrin

BaronVonVaderham

2,316 posts

146 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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coppice said:
The reality is that the 919 didn't destroy anything , literally or metaphorically. It certainly didn't set a new lap record at Spa or the Ring - lap records are set in races , not even in qualifying - so the best we can say is that it set an unofficial time which no other one off special in a private, traffic free, test session has yet beaten... Amazing speed , but the only thing it can beat is itself.
Clutching at straws much? Call it a circuit record then.

The 919 has lapped faster than the fastest recorded lap time at every circuit it’s been to (apart from brands Indy where they didn’t really try) and it’s clear to anyone that were it allowed a proper crack at the mountain course it would set a new lap/circuit/track record time that would be significantly lower than anything thats been before.

Welshbeef

Original Poster:

49,633 posts

197 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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coppice said:
I assume poster was either 13 or worked as an Autosport journalist . The reality is that the 919 didn't destroy anything , literally or metaphorically. It certainly didn't set a new lap record at Spa or the Ring - lap records are set in races , not even in qualifying - so the best we can say is that it set an unofficial time which no other one off special in a private, traffic free, test session has yet beaten... Amazing speed , but the only thing it can beat is itself.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1116169_porsche-919-on-goodbye-tour-destroys-hamiltons-spa-lap-record

Normal way of talking this way

RB Will

9,662 posts

239 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Welshbeef said:
GroundEffect said:
I didn't mean chicanes, I meant the high speed "threading the needle" style corners that there's tonnes of on the TT. Cars have to give those a bit more consideration simply due to width.
I’ve watched the fast lap of the Suburu and given the speedo was shown the entire time the above doesn’t ring true - or Mark Higgins has a big cock and balls and thought to hell with giving those corners a bit more consideration.

If you could rewatch that video and give the rough times in the video so we can all review and either agree with you or call Bull st it will close that arguements off.
Have asked the bikers to list these sections multiple times before and never get an answer. Personally I think I found 1-2 where Mark had to lift a bit where a bike didn’t as much.
So it’s a possible scenario but so rare that is makes sod all difference to the lap as opposed to the bikers view that the whole course is made up of 100s of these corners which would prevent a car ever getting close.

Need more bikes to put up on board laps with telemetry to make comparisons easier