RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

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blueST

3,126 posts

164 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
I'm not sure if there are luggage nets and other things available for the Jimny, it has tie down loops and such in the boot. With the seats down, I suspect it is more intended as a utility type truck, much like the Defender.

If you want a boxy, compact'ish 4x4, with a separate boot. Then maybe the Jeep Renegade is worth a look.

https://www.jeep.co.uk/renegade



Obviously not as capable as the Jimny off road, but this might not be an issue, depending on your intended use.
Same as above really. Long term durability, it's a FIAT product essentially. I do take the Defender off road, and maybe I would with a Jimny if I had one, but that isn't its main purpose. It does have to manage a very rough, fairly steep un-adopted track to the house though, which will scrape the underside of a normal car (like the A Class!) and its gets badly iced over in the cold. Plus I have had trouble with modern part time 4 wheel drive systems, a traditional system like the jimny has does hold some appeal. My BMW suffered from a failure in the X-drive system which caused it to lock the centre diff/clutch/coupling/whatever at the wrong time, such as on a long dry fast curve, causing some very strange behaviour and transmission wind up. I am not convinced these types of system are that robust if they are called into use regularly.

300bhp/ton

37,750 posts

138 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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aaron_2000 said:
It just looks like another crossover.
Well it is. But so is the rest of the market. There is only the Jimny, Wrangler and G-Wagen that aren't. And there is no LWB Jimny, so if you want more space, the price jump is significant to get to a Wrangler and insane to get to the G-Wagen.

If you don't want a cross over, the only other options are a Mitsubishi Shogun or maybe the Land Cruiser. But both, even in SWB guise are quite large and cost about the same as the Wrangler.

Or maybe a pickup truck, but these are physically a lot bigger and are obviously a pickup, so no enclosed luggage space.

The Renegade however can be bought in off road trim (although does get pricey) and Jeep do a "Trail Rated" variant. So while it doesn't have the same off road credentials as the Jimny, it can be off road capable.

The Renegade also has the nice boxy 4x4 styling, available in some nice colours and is more compact with more off road ability than most of the other options for similar money.


LaurasOtherHalf

15,931 posts

144 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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I’m not convinced I want to go as big as a 4x4 pickup nor as small as a Jimny.

The one benighted the pickups have is they are commercial vehicles and get the financial incentives to be classed as such.

Just a Shane Suzuki don’t make a van version of it.

aaron_2000

3,390 posts

31 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I’m not convinced I want to go as big as a 4x4 pickup nor as small as a Jimny.

The one benighted the pickups have is they are commercial vehicles and get the financial incentives to be classed as such.

Just a Shane Suzuki don’t make a van version of it.
My uncle has the Isuzu, family friend has the 3.0 (or 3.2 is it?) Ranger. As far as I've seen, they don't drive like commercial vehicles, they're a nice place to be inside, and they seem to hold their value well.

cptsideways

13,011 posts

200 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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blueST said:
300bhp/ton said:
I'm not sure if there are luggage nets and other things available for the Jimny, it has tie down loops and such in the boot. With the seats down, I suspect it is more intended as a utility type truck, much like the Defender.

If you want a boxy, compact'ish 4x4, with a separate boot. Then maybe the Jeep Renegade is worth a look.

https://www.jeep.co.uk/renegade



Obviously not as capable as the Jimny off road, but this might not be an issue, depending on your intended use.
Same as above really. Long term durability, it's a FIAT product essentially. I do take the Defender off road, and maybe I would with a Jimny if I had one, but that isn't its main purpose. It does have to manage a very rough, fairly steep un-adopted track to the house though, which will scrape the underside of a normal car (like the A Class!) and its gets badly iced over in the cold. Plus I have had trouble with modern part time 4 wheel drive systems, a traditional system like the jimny has does hold some appeal. My BMW suffered from a failure in the X-drive system which caused it to lock the centre diff/clutch/coupling/whatever at the wrong time, such as on a long dry fast curve, causing some very strange behaviour and transmission wind up. I am not convinced these types of system are that robust if they are called into use regularly.
They do a non Motobaility spec 4x4 one called the Trackhawk, has all the right bits for off roading & is remarkably capable in the difficult stuff. Bit of a mountain goat

cheddar

4,274 posts

122 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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cptsideways said:
They do a non Motobaility spec 4x4 one called the Trackhawk, has all the right bits for off roading & is remarkably capable in the difficult stuff. Bit of a mountain goat
It's called Trailhawk, capable thing but they're £31k

SL22

113 posts

73 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Autocar reporting a 1 year wait, citing info from this very thread... {article}

Ilovejapcrap

2,740 posts

60 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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2 things :

1. why are people reporting they had a look at Jimny but boot to small, I can see from alll the pics and data knocking around the internet with seats up it has a small boot ? so why go then comment its got a small boot.

2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?

Krikkit

16,788 posts

129 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
Presumably the low range box etc won't take the extra torque? Double or triple the torque is no good if you add hundreds of kilos begging everything up. Suddenly it's not a Jimny.

Even so the performance is just fine. The NA 1.5 gives 100hp and 95ftlb. I'd guess that's a very conservative, reliable tune as well. Who needs a complicated turbo?

Krikkit

16,788 posts

129 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Krikkit said:
Presumably the low range box etc won't take the extra torque? Double or triple the torque is no good if you add hundreds of kilos beefing everything up. Suddenly it's not a Jimny.

Even so the performance is just fine. The NA 1.5 gives 100hp and 95ftlb. I'd guess that's a very conservative, reliable tune as well. Who needs a complicated turbo?

Ilovejapcrap

2,740 posts

60 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Krikkit said:
Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
Presumably the low range box etc won't take the extra torque? Double or triple the torque is no good if you add hundreds of kilos begging everything up. Suddenly it's not a Jimny.

Even so the performance is just fine. The NA 1.5 gives 100hp and 95ftlb. I'd guess that's a very conservative, reliable tune as well. Who needs a complicated turbo?
good point i was more thinking about MPG when using on motorway and emissions.

blueST

3,126 posts

164 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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I would imagine the primary market for this car is not the U.K., but developing countries across Asia, which may influence the engine choice too.

gweaver

604 posts

106 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Lewis Kingston said:
Apologies if I've missed the discussion elsewhere but what about a modern Panda 4x4? Similar price, similarly cheerful, more advantageous drivetrain (for most), better on-road handling, stout MultiJet diesel option in inexpensive used examples, more interior space, etc.
Or there's the Ignis and Swift, both available with 4WD. I've had a couple as courtesy cat cars and I thought the 4WD Swift handled better than the FWD one.

gweaver

604 posts

106 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
It's not. The older petrol Swifts use the M13, M15, M16A and K12 engines (in Europe anyway). The current Swifts use the K10 (turbo), K12 and K14 (turbo). The new Jimny uses the K15.

Ilovejapcrap

2,740 posts

60 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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gweaver said:
Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
It's not. The older petrol Swifts use the M13, M15, M16A and K12 engines (in Europe anyway). The current Swifts use the K10 (turbo), K12 and K14 (turbo). The new Jimny uses the K15.
Interesting thanks.

The old m16a engine is a great little lump on a side note (that’s the one used in swift sport yeah)

Bill

40,188 posts

203 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Ilovejapcrap said:
good point i was more thinking about MPG when using on motorway and emissions.
It's not designed for the sort of market where motorways exist* or emissions matter.



*Ok, I'm exaggerating...

Dabooka

255 posts

53 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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gweaver said:
Or there's the Ignis and Swift, both available with 4WD. I've had a couple as courtesy cat cars and I thought the 4WD Swift handled better than the FWD one.
I went looking for a Grand Vit a few years ago but took the AWD version out for a lengthy spin beforehand and struggled with it. I found it had an awful drone at 60-70mph. Might have been the tyres I suppose, but it was factory fresh. A colleague has one and loves it kind, and I do think they’re cracking motors but need a tweak.

Ended up forgoing the awd requirement and bought a Sport instead.....

tim0409

2,739 posts

107 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Dan W. said:
tim0409 said:
Just off the phone from the Suzuki dealer; their allocation is four cars and I was fourth on the list; they have a base in silver which was my second choice for delivery in March (black was first) so we are going ahead with it. They didn't take a deposit when I initially placed an "order"/expression of interest, but will now. The OH is pretty excited at the prospect of owning a new car for the first time!
good work, enjoy the car
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to getting it in the New Year. The dealer has said March but also that it could be sooner; as it will be within the first batch dealers receive I've read some reports online of January deliveries which would be nice!
My wife was chatting to a colleague about it yesterday, and he sent her a picture of one parked up outside a restaurant last night in Edinburgh; I think it must have been a salesman having some fun.

It will be interesting to see how the residuals pan out given the restricted supply. One of the reasons I hesitated on a new Polo at the start of the month was the thought of the depreciation (up until a few years ago I bought all my cars from auction and would never had contemplated a new car).

Edited by tim0409 on Thursday 20th December 13:09

wigit

105 posts

119 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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My local dealer let me take their demo out for an hour which was great as got to drive it on roads I actually use.

I was expecting to be disappointed but for what we need it for which is essentially a two seater promo vehicle is ideal and performed better on road than we were expecting.

That dealer was being allocated two so thought not a chance, however, got a call this week to offer me a Kinetic Yellow one for January delivery and went in to do the deal, we were third on the list but person in front did not like the yellow so their loss was our gain.




n_const

1,614 posts

149 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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gweaver said:
Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
It's not. The older petrol Swifts use the M13, M15, M16A and K12 engines (in Europe anyway). The current Swifts use the K10 (turbo), K12 and K14 (turbo). The new Jimny uses the K15.
They've changed the engine code, but its the old 1200cc bored out to 1500cc. Engine is around 8/9 years old.