RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

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TartanPaint

1,273 posts

76 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
How much boot space do you really have in an Elise or something like an Aygo.
Having owned both, definitely more than the Jimny!

300bhp/ton

35,357 posts

127 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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TartanPaint said:
300bhp/ton said:
How much boot space do you really have in an Elise or something like an Aygo.
Having owned both, definitely more than the Jimny!
Yes but hardly significantly more, and in the Elise you'll be two passengers down... wink


Because of the boxy shape and taller height, I think it's easy to forget how small the Jimny really is. Remember it also has a longitudinal engine, rather than transverse and of course two gearboxes as well.

Length Wheelbase
Jimny 143.5" 89"
Elise S3 150.6" 90.6"
Pug 106 144.8" 94"
Toyota Aygo 134.1" 92.1"



Lewis Kingston

205 posts

14 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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blueST said:
This is the dilemma for us.
Apologies if I've missed the discussion elsewhere but what about a modern Panda 4x4? Similar price, similarly cheerful, more advantageous drivetrain (for most), better on-road handling, stout MultiJet diesel option in inexpensive used examples, more interior space, etc.

300bhp/ton

35,357 posts

127 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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blueST said:
This is the dilemma for us. We are getting to the point where our old 2009 A Class is worn out. Now that car has a remarkable amount of interior space for it's footprint, so the Jimny would be a shock in that regard. The reality is we rarely actually fill the car up except for the annual car boot sale. Driving dynamics though, are not an issue, I have a Defender and the A Class has crap handling too, although it is very smooth and quiet. There are only two of us plus a dog, so we could probably operate it in seats down mode most of the time, but that still leaves any luggage sliding round with the dog and his slobber and hair. Perhaps a roof box and/or towbar, but that adds to the faffing about.

It'd be cool if I could rent one for a month and see how we get on with it.
I'm not sure if there are luggage nets and other things available for the Jimny, it has tie down loops and such in the boot. With the seats down, I suspect it is more intended as a utility type truck, much like the Defender.

If you want a boxy, compact'ish 4x4, with a separate boot. Then maybe the Jeep Renegade is worth a look.

https://www.jeep.co.uk/renegade



Obviously not as capable as the Jimny off road, but this might not be an issue, depending on your intended use.

blueST

3,066 posts

153 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Lewis Kingston said:
Apologies if I've missed the discussion elsewhere but what about a modern Panda 4x4? Similar price, similarly cheerful, more advantageous drivetrain (for most), better on-road handling, stout MultiJet diesel option in inexpensive used examples, more interior space, etc.
I like those, but I fear for long term robustness. We tend to keep our cars a long time and FIAT isn't exactly synonymous with cast iron build quality these days.
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aaron_2000

2,314 posts

20 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
I'm not sure if there are luggage nets and other things available for the Jimny, it has tie down loops and such in the boot. With the seats down, I suspect it is more intended as a utility type truck, much like the Defender.

If you want a boxy, compact'ish 4x4, with a separate boot. Then maybe the Jeep Renegade is worth a look.

https://www.jeep.co.uk/renegade



Obviously not as capable as the Jimny off road, but this might not be an issue, depending on your intended use.
It just looks like another crossover.

blueST

3,066 posts

153 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
I'm not sure if there are luggage nets and other things available for the Jimny, it has tie down loops and such in the boot. With the seats down, I suspect it is more intended as a utility type truck, much like the Defender.

If you want a boxy, compact'ish 4x4, with a separate boot. Then maybe the Jeep Renegade is worth a look.

https://www.jeep.co.uk/renegade



Obviously not as capable as the Jimny off road, but this might not be an issue, depending on your intended use.
Same as above really. Long term durability, it's a FIAT product essentially. I do take the Defender off road, and maybe I would with a Jimny if I had one, but that isn't its main purpose. It does have to manage a very rough, fairly steep un-adopted track to the house though, which will scrape the underside of a normal car (like the A Class!) and its gets badly iced over in the cold. Plus I have had trouble with modern part time 4 wheel drive systems, a traditional system like the jimny has does hold some appeal. My BMW suffered from a failure in the X-drive system which caused it to lock the centre diff/clutch/coupling/whatever at the wrong time, such as on a long dry fast curve, causing some very strange behaviour and transmission wind up. I am not convinced these types of system are that robust if they are called into use regularly.

300bhp/ton

35,357 posts

127 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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aaron_2000 said:
It just looks like another crossover.
Well it is. But so is the rest of the market. There is only the Jimny, Wrangler and G-Wagen that aren't. And there is no LWB Jimny, so if you want more space, the price jump is significant to get to a Wrangler and insane to get to the G-Wagen.

If you don't want a cross over, the only other options are a Mitsubishi Shogun or maybe the Land Cruiser. But both, even in SWB guise are quite large and cost about the same as the Wrangler.

Or maybe a pickup truck, but these are physically a lot bigger and are obviously a pickup, so no enclosed luggage space.

The Renegade however can be bought in off road trim (although does get pricey) and Jeep do a "Trail Rated" variant. So while it doesn't have the same off road credentials as the Jimny, it can be off road capable.

The Renegade also has the nice boxy 4x4 styling, available in some nice colours and is more compact with more off road ability than most of the other options for similar money.


LaurasOtherHalf

14,201 posts

133 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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I’m not convinced I want to go as big as a 4x4 pickup nor as small as a Jimny.

The one benighted the pickups have is they are commercial vehicles and get the financial incentives to be classed as such.

Just a Shane Suzuki don’t make a van version of it.

aaron_2000

2,314 posts

20 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I’m not convinced I want to go as big as a 4x4 pickup nor as small as a Jimny.

The one benighted the pickups have is they are commercial vehicles and get the financial incentives to be classed as such.

Just a Shane Suzuki don’t make a van version of it.
My uncle has the Isuzu, family friend has the 3.0 (or 3.2 is it?) Ranger. As far as I've seen, they don't drive like commercial vehicles, they're a nice place to be inside, and they seem to hold their value well.

cptsideways

12,930 posts

189 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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blueST said:
300bhp/ton said:
I'm not sure if there are luggage nets and other things available for the Jimny, it has tie down loops and such in the boot. With the seats down, I suspect it is more intended as a utility type truck, much like the Defender.

If you want a boxy, compact'ish 4x4, with a separate boot. Then maybe the Jeep Renegade is worth a look.

https://www.jeep.co.uk/renegade



Obviously not as capable as the Jimny off road, but this might not be an issue, depending on your intended use.
Same as above really. Long term durability, it's a FIAT product essentially. I do take the Defender off road, and maybe I would with a Jimny if I had one, but that isn't its main purpose. It does have to manage a very rough, fairly steep un-adopted track to the house though, which will scrape the underside of a normal car (like the A Class!) and its gets badly iced over in the cold. Plus I have had trouble with modern part time 4 wheel drive systems, a traditional system like the jimny has does hold some appeal. My BMW suffered from a failure in the X-drive system which caused it to lock the centre diff/clutch/coupling/whatever at the wrong time, such as on a long dry fast curve, causing some very strange behaviour and transmission wind up. I am not convinced these types of system are that robust if they are called into use regularly.
They do a non Motobaility spec 4x4 one called the Trackhawk, has all the right bits for off roading & is remarkably capable in the difficult stuff. Bit of a mountain goat

cheddar

4,076 posts

111 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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cptsideways said:
They do a non Motobaility spec 4x4 one called the Trackhawk, has all the right bits for off roading & is remarkably capable in the difficult stuff. Bit of a mountain goat
It's called Trailhawk, capable thing but they're £31k

SL22

84 posts

62 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Autocar reporting a 1 year wait, citing info from this very thread... {article}

Ilovejapcrap

2,250 posts

49 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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2 things :

1. why are people reporting they had a look at Jimny but boot to small, I can see from alll the pics and data knocking around the internet with seats up it has a small boot ? so why go then comment its got a small boot.

2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?

Krikkit

13,902 posts

118 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
Presumably the low range box etc won't take the extra torque? Double or triple the torque is no good if you add hundreds of kilos begging everything up. Suddenly it's not a Jimny.

Even so the performance is just fine. The NA 1.5 gives 100hp and 95ftlb. I'd guess that's a very conservative, reliable tune as well. Who needs a complicated turbo?

Krikkit

13,902 posts

118 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Krikkit said:
Presumably the low range box etc won't take the extra torque? Double or triple the torque is no good if you add hundreds of kilos beefing everything up. Suddenly it's not a Jimny.

Even so the performance is just fine. The NA 1.5 gives 100hp and 95ftlb. I'd guess that's a very conservative, reliable tune as well. Who needs a complicated turbo?

Ilovejapcrap

2,250 posts

49 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Krikkit said:
Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
Presumably the low range box etc won't take the extra torque? Double or triple the torque is no good if you add hundreds of kilos begging everything up. Suddenly it's not a Jimny.

Even so the performance is just fine. The NA 1.5 gives 100hp and 95ftlb. I'd guess that's a very conservative, reliable tune as well. Who needs a complicated turbo?
good point i was more thinking about MPG when using on motorway and emissions.

blueST

3,066 posts

153 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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I would imagine the primary market for this car is not the U.K., but developing countries across Asia, which may influence the engine choice too.

gweaver

505 posts

95 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Lewis Kingston said:
Apologies if I've missed the discussion elsewhere but what about a modern Panda 4x4? Similar price, similarly cheerful, more advantageous drivetrain (for most), better on-road handling, stout MultiJet diesel option in inexpensive used examples, more interior space, etc.
Or there's the Ignis and Swift, both available with 4WD. I've had a couple as courtesy cat cars and I thought the 4WD Swift handled better than the FWD one.

gweaver

505 posts

95 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Ilovejapcrap said:
2. I'm still not sure why they didn't put the 1.4t engine in (tuned for torque rather than BHP) rather than the 1.5 n/a which im assuming is the one used in old Suzuki swift ?
It's not. The older petrol Swifts use the M13, M15, M16A and K12 engines (in Europe anyway). The current Swifts use the K10 (turbo), K12 and K14 (turbo). The new Jimny uses the K15.