RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

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Sa Calobra

37,010 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Give it 6 months and values of the old shape will tank. Once there are plenty of new ones about


Time to buy the old shape then.. biggrin

tim0409

4,355 posts

158 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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ChocolateFrog said:
That's the thing though. Compare it to something like a Fiesta of similar value and it would lose in almost every metric, apart from maybe off-road ability. But from what I can tell people making the buying decisions are not reading what car and which magazine. They're judging it looks and price.

There's no logical reason why £100k G Wagons should be selling either.
I read the reviews before buying mine, and I think quite a few of the reviewers missed the point of the Jimny and overstated its lack of ability on-road. I've just come back from a road trip and it handles much better than some would have you believe. It's not going to handle on road as well as a Polo/Fiesta, but you quickly adapt. I agree that a lot of potential buyers are buying based on looks (I know my OH was!). I personally love the way it looks, and every time I see it parked up it brings a smile to my face. None of the current crop of cars visually appeal, which is why went for it.
Gratuitous picture of my Jimny this morning....

RushDom

230 posts

93 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Mexman said:
We have a demo Jimny in white at our dealership.
To be honest?.......I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Noisy, uncouth, slow, and wobbly and will be totally rotten underneath in 6 or 7 years time.
Just like the old ones all are.
Sorry, just don't get it......at all.
Do you like anything about your job at all? From following the other thread, it seems like you hate your role, the customers you sell to and the products you sell in equal measure!

Time for a career change perhaps?

Sa Calobra

37,010 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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It's a car that begs to be kept dirty.

My Subaru Forester hasn't been washed...inside or out for well over a year...


Mexman is venting. Forums are good for that.

Butter Face

30,192 posts

159 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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RushDom said:
Mexman said:
We have a demo Jimny in white at our dealership.
To be honest?.......I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Noisy, uncouth, slow, and wobbly and will be totally rotten underneath in 6 or 7 years time.
Just like the old ones all are.
Sorry, just don't get it......at all.
Do you like anything about your job at all? From following the other thread, it seems like you hate your role, the customers you sell to and the products you sell in equal measure!

Time for a career change perhaps?
He doesn't sell Suzuki. HTH.

I don't either, but I liked the Jimny, each to their own.



They are a bit slow though hehe

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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ChocolateFrog said:
That's the thing though. Compare it to something like a Fiesta of similar value and it would lose in almost every metric, apart from maybe off-road ability. But from what I can tell people making the buying decisions are not reading what car and which magazine. They're judging it looks and price.

There's no logical reason why £100k G Wagons should be selling either.
"Maybe" better off road biggrin

lol.

And the same rational you highlight also fits for an MX-5, or even a luxury saloon in most cases. I think what it really shows is, there is a significant percentage of the populace that do consider cars more than just utility white goods items. And that people buy with passion, not just logic.

caelite

4,273 posts

111 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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tim0409 said:
I read the reviews before buying mine, and I think quite a few of the reviewers missed the point of the Jimny and overstated its lack of ability on-road. I've just come back from a road trip and it handles much better than some would have you believe. It's not going to handle on road as well as a Polo/Fiesta, but you quickly adapt.
I have an older one, and I'm sure 300bhp/ton will back me up on this; Body on frame, solid axle chassis handle very different from the monocoque double wishbone/trailing arm setups most people are used to in todays cars. Obviously in NVH senses they fall short, which is why so many manufacturers ditch them. The large amount of unsprung mass gives a crashy harsh ride. However if you can look past it the handing really isn't all that worse than a modern design. The large amount of unsprung mass low down gives it a very sure footed feeling once you get used to it, which does lead to a level of chuckability when you get used to it. What I believe puts a lot of journos off is the 'lag' you feel, it is difficult to quantify, but when you throw a Jimny (or Defender/old 4x4 for that matter) into a bend it almost feels like there is a delay, the unsprung mass changes direction immediately then feels like it drags the sprung mass into submission, rather than a modern design where the weight of the car feels as one piece. Once you get over this rather odd feeling you really can extract a level of handling that could be expected from a 1100kg RWD tall hatchback which is really rather rewarding.

Also, won't effect most buyers I imagine, but they handle better than anything else their size when you chuck a 2 ton 1.3ton plant trailer on the back too, as long as the brakes are set up with a good amount of gain.

Mexman

2,442 posts

83 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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RushDom said:
Do you like anything about your job at all? From following the other thread, it seems like you hate your role, the customers you sell to and the products you sell in equal measure!

Time for a career change perhaps?
I don't hate my role at all thanks.
And I don't sell new cars or new Suzuki either.
Our parent dealer has a demo, and whilst I appreciate there legendary off road capability and reliability, I cannot believe the amount of interest that they are making!
Our demo is constantly out on test drive all day, every day, but to me, having sold and traded hundreds of Jimmy's/ SJ's over the 25 yrs of selling, as a normal everyday car to potter about in, which most will be, then I just think there's better quality, better driving, better equipped cars out there.
The frenzy that seems to be surrounded them, just seems a little OTT to me, are they really that special? Really?

But they do sell really well, even old rusty ones still command stupid money and I'm sorry, but I just don't get them!

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Mexman said:
I don't hate my role at all thanks.
And I don't sell new cars or new Suzuki either.
Our parent dealer has a demo, and whilst I appreciate there legendary off road capability and reliability, I cannot believe the amount of interest that they are making!
Our demo is constantly out on test drive all day, every day, but to me, having sold and traded hundreds of Jimmy's/ SJ's over the 25 yrs of selling, as a normal everyday car to potter about in, which most will be, then I just think there's better quality, better driving, better equipped cars out there.
The frenzy that seems to be surrounded them, just seems a little OTT to me, are they really that special? Really?

But they do sell really well, even old rusty ones still command stupid money and I'm sorry, but I just don't get them!
As a salesman I would recommend you put aside what you think of them personally and try to get inside your customers head's a bit. Understand what they want and why and your going to sell more cars smile

People are not cold or logical a lot of the time... they are whimsical and emotional.

Character and individuality sells... imperfection is perfection etc.

Mexman

2,442 posts

83 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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Quite correct, the money that even old rusty ones that need welding and a list of advisories as long as your arm still go for amazes me though.
All i see is a rusty old Suzuki ! laugh

tim0409

4,355 posts

158 months

Wednesday 13th February 2019
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Mexman said:
Our demo is constantly out on test drive all day, every day, but to me, having sold and traded hundreds of Jimmy's/ SJ's over the 25 yrs of selling, as a normal everyday car to potter about in, which most will be, then I just think there's better quality, better driving, better equipped cars out there.
I appreciate you have a lot of experience with the old model, but have you driven the new one? The consensus amongst the reviews is that Suzuki have put a lot of effort into making it better on road, and after 1000 miles in mine I think they have succeeded to a certain extent.

Mexman

2,442 posts

83 months

Wednesday 13th February 2019
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Yes, driven one and plenty of the old ones.
I agree, it does drive a hell of a lot better than the previous generation, and they certainly do have a cult following.
Just don't think I could live with one daily though, I find them a little tiresome, and uncomfortable, and closterphobic.
Sorry, just my opinion, but one thing can be said.
People do love a Jimny!!

poing

8,743 posts

199 months

Wednesday 13th February 2019
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Mexman said:
Yes, driven one and plenty of the old ones.
I agree, it does drive a hell of a lot better than the previous generation, and they certainly do have a cult following.
Just don't think I could live with one daily though, I find them a little tiresome, and uncomfortable, and closterphobic.
Sorry, just my opinion, but one thing can be said.
People do love a Jimny!!
I don't think they are a rational thing, you either like them or you don't. I remember the service manager at a Fiat dealer being confused by all the people interested in the Panda 4x4, he just saw a jacked Panda that had been made even slower.

Personally, I love the Jimny and the Panda. Between the 2 it would be the Jimny.

cheddar

4,637 posts

173 months

Wednesday 13th February 2019
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poing said:
I don't think they are a rational thing, you either like them or you don't.
I love them and I want one but after the initial novelty wore off and my man brain stopped pretending the bouncy ride, noisy engine and general lack of refinement were fun and characterful I'd realise the tremendously cutesy, chunky looks and fantastic ramp over angles weren't enough to compensate for the compromises in daily use.



poing

8,743 posts

199 months

Wednesday 13th February 2019
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cheddar said:
I love them and I want one but after the initial novelty wore off and my man brain stopped pretending the bouncy ride, noisy engine and general lack of refinement were fun and characterful I'd realise the tremendously cutesy, chunky looks and fantastic ramp over angles weren't enough to compensate for the compromises in daily use.
I have to admit I could easily have one if I really wanted to, it's not like they are expensive, but I know that deep down I'd end up with the same feeling as you say.

Hippea

1,780 posts

68 months

Wednesday 13th February 2019
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I think they are great. All this talk about not getting it, it’s not a rational choice, it’s a fun and rugged little off roader. Something quite different to the mainstream and should be celebrated for being so.

Mexman

2,442 posts

83 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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poing said:
cheddar said:
I love them and I want one but after the initial novelty wore off and my man brain stopped pretending the bouncy ride, noisy engine and general lack of refinement were fun and characterful I'd realise the tremendously cutesy, chunky looks and fantastic ramp over angles weren't enough to compensate for the compromises in daily use.
I have to admit I could easily have one if I really wanted to, it's not like they are expensive, but I know that deep down I'd end up with the same feeling as you say.
That's exactly what I was trying to get across.
They are great little things for what they are, but for everyday commuting, daily run of the mill driving to and from?...nah, not for me.
But the interest they are getting is phenomenal, our main dealer Suzuki site across the road, just yesterday had a transporter full of them delivered to us.
I expect these are current fulfilled orders arriving, the one in dark blue looked the part I must admit.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Mexman said:
That's exactly what I was trying to get across.
They are great little things for what they are, but for everyday commuting, daily run of the mill driving to and from?...nah, not for me..
I think you might be missing the point a bit still.

They are no more compromised to use daily than lots of other vehicles. Sure they might not be as good as some others, but they then reward in other ways.

Lots and lots of people daily drive Land Rovers and Jeeps no problem, as people also daily drive low slung sports cars, which are just as compromised in most cases.

Mexman

2,442 posts

83 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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300bhp/ton said:
I think you might be missing the point a bit still.

They are no more compromised to use daily than lots of other vehicles. Sure they might not be as good as some others, but they then reward in other ways.

Lots and lots of people daily drive Land Rovers and Jeeps no problem, as people also daily drive low slung sports cars, which are just as compromised in most cases.
I know that, that's not the point I'm making, but it's the mad buying frenzy that seems to be surrounding these which is fun to watch.
I don't sell them, but our Suzuki franchise is literally 20 metres away, and the demo Jimny does not seem to get chance to cool down even, before someone else is off in it.
I'm seeing people trying to part exchange all kinds of different cars, large 4x4s, sports cars, hot hatches, exec cars to be in a Jimny?
Funnily though, Im only yet to see one person with an older Jimny, check out the new one?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Mexman said:
I know that, that's not the point I'm making, but it's the mad buying frenzy that seems to be surrounding these which is fun to watch.
I don't sell them, but our Suzuki franchise is literally 20 metres away, and the demo Jimny does not seem to get chance to cool down even, before someone else is off in it.
I'm seeing people trying to part exchange all kinds of different cars, large 4x4s, sports cars, hot hatches, exec cars to be in a Jimny?
Funnily though, Im only yet to see one person with an older Jimny, check out the new one?
Yet to be fair, as there are only what 1000 cars for the UK this year (and is it something like 600 so far). You really can't be seeing that many people swapping cars for them. As there simply isn't enough in the country to observe this. What does this equate too, a handful of cars per dealer?

For instance, I've only actually seen one new Jimny on the road and one in a showroom (the latter I was looking for). I spend 2 hours+ a day driving and a minimum of 70 miles, so I see quite a lot of vehicles daily, but the new Jimny is a very rare sight. Despite having a Suzuki main dealer only 4 or 5 miles away from where I live.