RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

RE: New Suzuki Jimny leaked

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Kmoosa

425 posts

140 months

Friday 8th February
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300bhp/ton said:
I doubt it very much. You wouldn’t walk into a Ford dealership to look at a Mustang and drive out in a diesel Fiesta. Anyone who does, simply wasn’t there to buy the Jimny in the first place.
Must just be me then! I would have got a Vitara Boosterjet had the Jimny not been available. Having said that I may still get the Vitara as an addition due to its greater suitability for longer distances, so appreciate its a vehicle which fits different purposes for some. However I would have been happy with either, so it's perhaps not quite as cut and dried as you think for everyone out there.

300bhp/ton

36,549 posts

131 months

Friday 8th February
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Kmoosa said:
Must just be me then! I would have got a Vitara Boosterjet had the Jimny not been available. Having said that I may still get the Vitara as an addition due to its greater suitability for longer distances, so appreciate its a vehicle which fits different purposes for some. However I would have been happy with either, so it's perhaps not quite as cut and dried as you think for everyone out there.
Nothing ever is.

However, I suspect that a significant proportion of Jimny owners/buyers or potential ones. Would buy such a car with their heart, not their head. i.e. it is something they "want" rather than "need".

Kmoosa

425 posts

140 months

Friday 8th February
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300bhp/ton said:
Nothing ever is.

However, I suspect that a significant proportion of Jimny owners/buyers or potential ones. Would buy such a car with their heart, not their head. i.e. it is something they "want" rather than "need".
Completely agree with that, they do seem to have stirred up emotions in a few people.

One thing to think of is that if it's the company wide emissions / EU fines situation is accurate, then regardless of production capability and sales planning they can't import any significant number of vehicles full stop.

skyrover

12,110 posts

145 months

Friday 8th February
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Until we leave the EU anyhow smile

Kmoosa

425 posts

140 months

Friday 8th February
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skyrover said:
Until we leave the EU anyhow smile
Well you'd hope so, but the chances of us not having to align with them those regulations are pretty slim!
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Lord Marylebone

8,175 posts

121 months

Friday 8th February
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Kmoosa said:
skyrover said:
Until we leave the EU anyhow smile
Well you'd hope so, but the chances of us not having to align with them those regulations are pretty slim!
To be honest, I don’t see why anyone would want to NOT be aligned with regulations that enforce lower emissions.

Leaving an arrangement that tried to limit the amount of CO2 from vehicles is not something to be celebrated.

skyrover

12,110 posts

145 months

Friday 8th February
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Lord Marylebone said:
Kmoosa said:
skyrover said:
Until we leave the EU anyhow smile
Well you'd hope so, but the chances of us not having to align with them those regulations are pretty slim!
To be honest, I don’t see why anyone would want to NOT be aligned with regulations that enforce lower emissions.

Leaving an arrangement that tried to limit the amount of CO2 from vehicles is not something to be celebrated.
I'm not concerned about CO2, however N0x and particulates are nasty. Thankfully petrol engines like that in the Jimmy don't produce much at all.

Kmoosa

425 posts

140 months

Friday 8th February
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Lord Marylebone said:
To be honest, I don’t see why anyone would want to NOT be aligned with regulations that enforce lower emissions.

Leaving an arrangement that tried to limit the amount of CO2 from vehicles is not something to be celebrated.
Depends if that arrangement was responsible for increased emissions of other nasties, as we've seen over the last decade or so with diesels. But that's a Pandora's box for the EU and Climate change threads.

Point is, if the real reason the Jimny isn't being brought here in numbers is down to the fines, I think (hope) it could make for interesting residual values over the next few years!

Mexman

1,223 posts

25 months

Monday 11th February
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We have a demo Jimny in white at our dealership.
To be honest?.......I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Noisy, uncouth, slow, and wobbly and will be totally rotten underneath in 6 or 7 years time.
Just like the old ones all are.
Sorry, just don't get it......at all.

skyrover

12,110 posts

145 months

Monday 11th February
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Do you drive off-road?

ChocolateFrog

4,545 posts

114 months

Monday 11th February
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That's the thing though. Compare it to something like a Fiesta of similar value and it would lose in almost every metric, apart from maybe off-road ability. But from what I can tell people making the buying decisions are not reading what car and which magazine. They're judging it looks and price.

There's no logical reason why £100k G Wagons should be selling either.

Sa Calobra

28,356 posts

152 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Give it 6 months and values of the old shape will tank. Once there are plenty of new ones about


Time to buy the old shape then.. biggrin

tim0409

2,506 posts

100 months

Tuesday 12th February
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ChocolateFrog said:
That's the thing though. Compare it to something like a Fiesta of similar value and it would lose in almost every metric, apart from maybe off-road ability. But from what I can tell people making the buying decisions are not reading what car and which magazine. They're judging it looks and price.

There's no logical reason why £100k G Wagons should be selling either.
I read the reviews before buying mine, and I think quite a few of the reviewers missed the point of the Jimny and overstated its lack of ability on-road. I've just come back from a road trip and it handles much better than some would have you believe. It's not going to handle on road as well as a Polo/Fiesta, but you quickly adapt. I agree that a lot of potential buyers are buying based on looks (I know my OH was!). I personally love the way it looks, and every time I see it parked up it brings a smile to my face. None of the current crop of cars visually appeal, which is why went for it.
Gratuitous picture of my Jimny this morning....

RushDom

175 posts

35 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Mexman said:
We have a demo Jimny in white at our dealership.
To be honest?.......I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Noisy, uncouth, slow, and wobbly and will be totally rotten underneath in 6 or 7 years time.
Just like the old ones all are.
Sorry, just don't get it......at all.
Do you like anything about your job at all? From following the other thread, it seems like you hate your role, the customers you sell to and the products you sell in equal measure!

Time for a career change perhaps?

Sa Calobra

28,356 posts

152 months

Tuesday 12th February
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It's a car that begs to be kept dirty.

My Subaru Forester hasn't been washed...inside or out for well over a year...


Mexman is venting. Forums are good for that.

Butter Face

18,447 posts

101 months

Tuesday 12th February
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RushDom said:
Mexman said:
We have a demo Jimny in white at our dealership.
To be honest?.......I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Noisy, uncouth, slow, and wobbly and will be totally rotten underneath in 6 or 7 years time.
Just like the old ones all are.
Sorry, just don't get it......at all.
Do you like anything about your job at all? From following the other thread, it seems like you hate your role, the customers you sell to and the products you sell in equal measure!

Time for a career change perhaps?
He doesn't sell Suzuki. HTH.

I don't either, but I liked the Jimny, each to their own.



They are a bit slow though hehe

300bhp/ton

36,549 posts

131 months

Tuesday 12th February
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ChocolateFrog said:
That's the thing though. Compare it to something like a Fiesta of similar value and it would lose in almost every metric, apart from maybe off-road ability. But from what I can tell people making the buying decisions are not reading what car and which magazine. They're judging it looks and price.

There's no logical reason why £100k G Wagons should be selling either.
"Maybe" better off road biggrin

lol.

And the same rational you highlight also fits for an MX-5, or even a luxury saloon in most cases. I think what it really shows is, there is a significant percentage of the populace that do consider cars more than just utility white goods items. And that people buy with passion, not just logic.

caelite

4,054 posts

53 months

Tuesday 12th February
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tim0409 said:
I read the reviews before buying mine, and I think quite a few of the reviewers missed the point of the Jimny and overstated its lack of ability on-road. I've just come back from a road trip and it handles much better than some would have you believe. It's not going to handle on road as well as a Polo/Fiesta, but you quickly adapt.
I have an older one, and I'm sure 300bhp/ton will back me up on this; Body on frame, solid axle chassis handle very different from the monocoque double wishbone/trailing arm setups most people are used to in todays cars. Obviously in NVH senses they fall short, which is why so many manufacturers ditch them. The large amount of unsprung mass gives a crashy harsh ride. However if you can look past it the handing really isn't all that worse than a modern design. The large amount of unsprung mass low down gives it a very sure footed feeling once you get used to it, which does lead to a level of chuckability when you get used to it. What I believe puts a lot of journos off is the 'lag' you feel, it is difficult to quantify, but when you throw a Jimny (or Defender/old 4x4 for that matter) into a bend it almost feels like there is a delay, the unsprung mass changes direction immediately then feels like it drags the sprung mass into submission, rather than a modern design where the weight of the car feels as one piece. Once you get over this rather odd feeling you really can extract a level of handling that could be expected from a 1100kg RWD tall hatchback which is really rather rewarding.

Also, won't effect most buyers I imagine, but they handle better than anything else their size when you chuck a 2 ton 1.3ton plant trailer on the back too, as long as the brakes are set up with a good amount of gain.

Mexman

1,223 posts

25 months

Tuesday 12th February
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RushDom said:
Do you like anything about your job at all? From following the other thread, it seems like you hate your role, the customers you sell to and the products you sell in equal measure!

Time for a career change perhaps?
I don't hate my role at all thanks.
And I don't sell new cars or new Suzuki either.
Our parent dealer has a demo, and whilst I appreciate there legendary off road capability and reliability, I cannot believe the amount of interest that they are making!
Our demo is constantly out on test drive all day, every day, but to me, having sold and traded hundreds of Jimmy's/ SJ's over the 25 yrs of selling, as a normal everyday car to potter about in, which most will be, then I just think there's better quality, better driving, better equipped cars out there.
The frenzy that seems to be surrounded them, just seems a little OTT to me, are they really that special? Really?

But they do sell really well, even old rusty ones still command stupid money and I'm sorry, but I just don't get them!

skyrover

12,110 posts

145 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Mexman said:
I don't hate my role at all thanks.
And I don't sell new cars or new Suzuki either.
Our parent dealer has a demo, and whilst I appreciate there legendary off road capability and reliability, I cannot believe the amount of interest that they are making!
Our demo is constantly out on test drive all day, every day, but to me, having sold and traded hundreds of Jimmy's/ SJ's over the 25 yrs of selling, as a normal everyday car to potter about in, which most will be, then I just think there's better quality, better driving, better equipped cars out there.
The frenzy that seems to be surrounded them, just seems a little OTT to me, are they really that special? Really?

But they do sell really well, even old rusty ones still command stupid money and I'm sorry, but I just don't get them!
As a salesman I would recommend you put aside what you think of them personally and try to get inside your customers head's a bit. Understand what they want and why and your going to sell more cars smile

People are not cold or logical a lot of the time... they are whimsical and emotional.

Character and individuality sells... imperfection is perfection etc.