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SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
But would you just look at an R230. In my humble opinion a fantastic looking thing and, to my eyes, so much more pretty and elegant than the R129.
They both hold very great, but very different, appeal for me. R129 deeply deeply proper. A true Mercedes.
R230 exotic and flash, without being gaudy. Which is a hard path to walk.
R129 has quite a lot in common with the cool and calm aspects of the W124 and W202, in design language, whereas R230 looks unmistakably sporting and showy in a much more expressive way. All in my humble opinion.
BigBen said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
But would you just look at an R230. In my humble opinion a fantastic looking thing and, to my eyes, so much more pretty and elegant than the R129.
They both hold very great, but very different, appeal for me. R129 deeply deeply proper. A true Mercedes.
R230 exotic and flash, without being gaudy. Which is a hard path to walk.
R129 has quite a lot in common with the cool and calm aspects of the W124 and W202, in design language, whereas R230 looks unmistakably sporting and showy in a much more expressive way. All in my humble opinion.
It just feels more ‘wow’, to me. I’d rather a 129, but do admire the 230 when one goes past.
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
But would you just look at an R230. In my humble opinion a fantastic looking thing and, to my eyes, so much more pretty and elegant than the R129.
They both hold very great, but very different, appeal for me. R129 deeply deeply proper. A true Mercedes.
R230 exotic and flash, without being gaudy. Which is a hard path to walk.
R129 has quite a lot in common with the cool and calm aspects of the W124 and W202, in design language, whereas R230 looks unmistakably sporting and showy in a much more expressive way. All in my humble opinion.
R230 is a truly brilliant disguise. The big fat rump needed to store the folded metal roof is rendered invisible by an artful confection of shut lines, body creases, and lighting-as-jewellery. It is a masterclass in how to make a dogs dinner Michelin-starred. Your mother-in-law as you never knew she could be.
The R129 was regarded as flash in its day, even brash, but never as inelegant. The simple beauty of its form was always acknowledged.
Lowtimer said:
olly755 said:
Sounds great chaps. I’ve no other plans for the day and ETA in Alnmouth is 1pm, say half an hour or so for the formalities, and then I’m be heading south. There’s a rattler heading north pretty much on the hour on Saturday morning, so could possibly be earlier if the vendor is flexible.
If you're going a long way after dark, and it sounds like you are, you might want to bring a set of Osram Nightbreakers or similar with you. The headlamps in these things are really very late-80s, and upgraded bulbs are really a must-have for night use. Of course, it might already have them. It turned out mine did, when I decided to do the upgrade. I was somewhat bemused.
Edited by Lowtimer on Thursday 10th January 19:23
I am happy to offer cups of tea and car-talk on Saturday afternoon. I'm about 12 miles south of Alnmouth, post code NE61 5EG. Please don't quote my post code as I will edit it out after Saturday. Unfortunately I'll probably only have the 190 on hand (and the new w213 that I'm rubbing around in).
r129sl said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
...so much more pretty and elegant than the R129.
R129 deeply deeply proper. A true Mercedes.R230 exotic and flash, without being gaudy. Which is a hard path to walk.
R230 is a truly brilliant disguise. The big fat rump needed to store the folded metal roof is rendered invisible by an artful confection of shut lines, body creases, and lighting-as-jewellery. ...
... flash in its day, even brash, but never as inelegant. The simple beauty of its form was always acknowledged.
king hell boys. The thread's gone all metro. You'll be growing beards before we know it, and wearing tight strides, loafers and no socks, and that's very non-barge.CharlesdeGaulle said:
r129sl said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
...so much more pretty and elegant than the R129.
R129 deeply deeply proper. A true Mercedes.R230 exotic and flash, without being gaudy. Which is a hard path to walk.
R230 is a truly brilliant disguise. The big fat rump needed to store the folded metal roof is rendered invisible by an artful confection of shut lines, body creases, and lighting-as-jewellery. ...
... flash in its day, even brash, but never as inelegant. The simple beauty of its form was always acknowledged.
king hell boys. The thread's gone all metro. You'll be growing beards before we know it, and wearing tight strides, loafers and no socks, and that's very non-barge.Er, sir.
“Design language“?
Have a knackered RR needing more than I think I can give to bring us back to rust and oil leak happiness. 2k. Assume will need a lot more to get roadworthy.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/land-rover/range-rover-c...
Have a knackered RR needing more than I think I can give to bring us back to rust and oil leak happiness. 2k. Assume will need a lot more to get roadworthy.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/land-rover/range-rover-c...
Croutons said:
“Design language“?
Have a knackered RR needing more than I think I can give to bring us back to rust and oil leak happiness. 2k. Assume will need a lot more to get roadworthy.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/land-rover/range-rover-c...
Good job I haven't got two bags slushing around in my pocket, I'd be picking up an RRC!Have a knackered RR needing more than I think I can give to bring us back to rust and oil leak happiness. 2k. Assume will need a lot more to get roadworthy.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/land-rover/range-rover-c...
SpeckledJim said:
E65Ross said:
But would you just look at an R230. In my humble opinion a fantastic looking thing and, to my eyes, so much more pretty and elegant than the R129.
They both hold very great, but very different, appeal for me. R129 deeply deeply proper. A true Mercedes.
R230 exotic and flash, without being gaudy. Which is a hard path to walk.
r129sl said:
R129 is all about pure and classical elegance. It is the ultimate expression of the sporting GT. Look at the coke bottle plan and profile. Look at the delicacy of the curves. Look at the total absence of unnecessary adornment (wing vents excepted). The way the body is draped over the chassis like a sheer blouse over... you get the idea.
R230 is a truly brilliant disguise. The big fat rump needed to store the folded metal roof is rendered invisible by an artful confection of shut lines, body creases, and lighting-as-jewellery. It is a masterclass in how to make a dogs dinner Michelin-starred. Your mother-in-law as you never knew she could be.
The R129 was regarded as flash in its day, even brash, but never as inelegant. The simple beauty of its form was always acknowledged.
Do you think the R230 has ever been viewed as inelegant? I certainly don't know anyone who thinks so. Perhaps the 65 AMG version with those alloys =can't remember the design name).... But a simple R230 is, in my opinion, a very pretty design which is far from brash. R230 is a truly brilliant disguise. The big fat rump needed to store the folded metal roof is rendered invisible by an artful confection of shut lines, body creases, and lighting-as-jewellery. It is a masterclass in how to make a dogs dinner Michelin-starred. Your mother-in-law as you never knew she could be.
The R129 was regarded as flash in its day, even brash, but never as inelegant. The simple beauty of its form was always acknowledged.
Each tk their own, either way both are lovely in my opinion
I swapped the e39 528 for the LS400 today, so can compare the two!
NVH - the e39 is miles behind, road, engine and general noise. The Lexus is a class or three above. (Well it was a class above after all!). I didn’t think this when I got in the e39 for the first time though, interestingly. I guess I was distracted by new carness.
I am surprised that the difference is so much given the LS dates from what 1991, and the e39 was relatively new when it was made in 1997.
Speed - the Lexus is miles faster. Laughably so. I think need to look at that viscous fan which is bleeding power away from the e39. Seems marginally slower than my old 300e.
Equipment - Confession - I did miss the automatically raising steering wheel (what - I have to slightly twist my body to get out of the driver’s seat????) and auto lights most.
Quality - I have to say getting back in the LS, it feels like a better quality item. The leather is of far better quality, and it has zero rattles over bumps. The e39 has some but is higher mileage and has nothing obvious but still feels more normal when going along the road.
Engine noise - I am surprised that I really liked hearing the lexus’s V8 again when I back in it. It does rear its head above the good NVH.
The BMW does show an interest in a non straight road though!
In summary - thought i’d keep the battery topped up on the Lexus. Drove it and realised that I’d forgotten its qualities and how it has got under my skin a bit.
NVH - the e39 is miles behind, road, engine and general noise. The Lexus is a class or three above. (Well it was a class above after all!). I didn’t think this when I got in the e39 for the first time though, interestingly. I guess I was distracted by new carness.
I am surprised that the difference is so much given the LS dates from what 1991, and the e39 was relatively new when it was made in 1997.
Speed - the Lexus is miles faster. Laughably so. I think need to look at that viscous fan which is bleeding power away from the e39. Seems marginally slower than my old 300e.
Equipment - Confession - I did miss the automatically raising steering wheel (what - I have to slightly twist my body to get out of the driver’s seat????) and auto lights most.
Quality - I have to say getting back in the LS, it feels like a better quality item. The leather is of far better quality, and it has zero rattles over bumps. The e39 has some but is higher mileage and has nothing obvious but still feels more normal when going along the road.
Engine noise - I am surprised that I really liked hearing the lexus’s V8 again when I back in it. It does rear its head above the good NVH.
The BMW does show an interest in a non straight road though!
In summary - thought i’d keep the battery topped up on the Lexus. Drove it and realised that I’d forgotten its qualities and how it has got under my skin a bit.
E65Ross said:
Do you think the R230 has ever been viewed as inelegant? I certainly don't know anyone who thinks so. Perhaps the 65 AMG version with those alloys =can't remember the design name).... But a simple R230 is, in my opinion, a very pretty design which is far from brash.
Each tk their own, either way both are lovely in my opinion
The first thing I did when I got mine was to remove the V8 Kompressor badges from the front wings, those were naff and inelegant. After that it looked stunning, I would always choose one over an R129 mainly as I have an R107 in stock but also because of the sheer 200mph capableness of it which I don't think any R129s could deliver........Each tk their own, either way both are lovely in my opinion
0a said:
E24man said:
Surely a better BMW comparison for an LS400 would be an E38 740i? and an E38 740i is a huge amount of refinement over an E39 528i.
In my 4 car fleet I don’t have an e38 740i 
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