RE: McLaren 600LT revealed
Discussion
fioravanti said:
Why would anyone care about the power to dry weight? It's a pointless metric. The car can't run without fluids!
The only reason I can think is that it makes comparison less effected by variables? Ie. if one models runs a huge fuel tank/massive washer fluid bottles, it'll make the car seem heavier on paper than a similar car from another manufacturer.
I have a suspicion McLaren may not have extracted ANY more power out of this engine than before - it seemed generally accepted the 570's power rating was quite conservative, perhaps this may just be more honest.
I would love it to sound awesome, I recently drove a 570 Spider with the MSO Titanium exhaust and it sounded a bit "meh" still
I would love it to sound awesome, I recently drove a 570 Spider with the MSO Titanium exhaust and it sounded a bit "meh" still
The Surveyor said:
I do listen to one when I drive mine, as I said they don't sound like a traditional V8 and some like the sound, other don't.
The point I was making is that McLarens have never been slated for their performance, so I can't agree that "That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down" when it offers massive power when called.
Did you find the engine in the 720s lacking?
Of course I think we all agree that the cars are extremely fast and capable. However, like the Ford GT, Dallara or even at a lower end of the cost spectrum, i.e. the new Porsche Boxster and Cayman (and hell even the Alpine and Alfa 4C), if I'm spending good money on a car...and if I'm spending McLaren money...I want the full experience. Porsche Carrera GT or Ferarri 458 Speciale type noises including all of the good things that make a McLaren awesome. Don't short change me and my money with a motor that doesn't sound like £200,000-350,000 should. Kind of get what I mean?The point I was making is that McLarens have never been slated for their performance, so I can't agree that "That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down" when it offers massive power when called.
Did you find the engine in the 720s lacking?
Edited by cib24 on Thursday 28th June 15:07
tejr said:
fioravanti said:
Why would anyone care about the power to dry weight? It's a pointless metric. The car can't run without fluids!
The only reason I can think is that it makes comparison less effected by variables? Ie. if one models runs a huge fuel tank/massive washer fluid bottles, it'll make the car seem heavier on paper than a similar car from another manufacturer.
cib24 said:
Of course I think we all agree that the cars are extremely fast and capable. However, like the Ford GT, Dallara or even at a lower end of the cost spectrum, i.e. the new Porsche Boxster and Cayman (and hell even the Alpine and Alfa 4C), if I'm spending good money on a car...and if I'm spending McLaren money...I want the full experience. Porsche Carrera GT or Ferarri 458 Speciale type noises including all of the good things that make a McLaren awesome. Don't short change me and my money with a motor that doesn't sound like £200,000-350,000 should. Kind of get what I mean?
Agree with this entirely. I've only been a passenger but it doesn't sound special and worst of all at everyday speeds that won't get you put in prison on the road it is really lacking the drama of V8 noise - not "I've got a straight through exhaust on my Vantage" noise like our new wide-boy neighbour, but a feel-good soundtrack. A friend's E55 sounds terrific even at normal speeds, the 650 I went in just didn't. Not knocking its immense performance at all but a nice sound is something it seems to lack.Edited by cib24 on Thursday 28th June 15:07
Looks like Schmee150 bought the Senna. He might have been better off saving a few pennies and buying this. Although for that sort of person buying the Fiesta ST LT of the lowest model probably does not enough "likes" potential.
It does look rather nice, the 918 style top exit exhausts always look fantastic. The front is still brilliant too.
At a price figure starting with a 1 ( without options) that is not bad at all. PH and the auto journals need to do a 720S v 600LT back to back without telling Mclaren.
It does look rather nice, the 918 style top exit exhausts always look fantastic. The front is still brilliant too.
At a price figure starting with a 1 ( without options) that is not bad at all. PH and the auto journals need to do a 720S v 600LT back to back without telling Mclaren.
Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 28th June 15:21
The Surveyor said:
GranCab said:
The Surveyor said:
cib24 said:
Will it still sound terrible? That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down.
The engine is epic, may not sound like a rumbly old V8 (or a Mazda rotary ) but the McLaren V8 twin turbo engine really isn't a let-down, not by any measure.When I had a test drive in the 720 all I could hear was tyre roar, amplified by the open rear deck behind your head.
The point I was making is that McLarens have never been slated for their performance, so I can't agree that "That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down" when it offers massive power when called.
Did you find the engine in the 720s lacking?
Carl_Manchester said:
aazer89 said:
suffolk009 said:
Genuine question; how do you get an additional 30bhp from the cooling system?
I think that might be bad grammar - think it was supposed to say that Mclaren have extracted 30bhp from the same engine as before - unless someone can shine a light on it?this way of increasing power does
not necessarily need upgraded internals, as seen with the 997 turbo engines.
cib24 said:
Of course I think we all agree that the cars are extremely fast and capable. However, like the Ford GT, Dallara or even at a lower end of the cost spectrum, i.e. the new Porsche Boxster and Cayman (and hell even the Alpine and Alfa 4C), if I'm spending good money on a car...and if I'm spending McLaren money...I want the full experience. Porsche Carrera GT or Ferarri 458 Speciale type noises including all of the good things that make a McLaren awesome. Don't short change me and my money with a motor that doesn't sound like £200,000-350,000 should. Kind of get what I mean?
Can see what you are both saying. Biggest issue here is that (like paintwork) personal preference will take over. Edited by cib24 on Thursday 28th June 15:07
What sounds beautiful to one person may sound dreadful to another - but it is the joy of being human we all like different things and it keeps life interesting.
For that kind of money I can see what you are saying - you need the drama, the thrill and no distraction from that with something bugging you
The Surveyor said:
cib24 said:
Will it still sound terrible? That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down.
The engine is epic, may not sound like a rumbly old V8 (or a Mazda rotary ) but the McLaren V8 twin turbo engine really isn't a let-down, not by any measure.suffolk009 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
aazer89 said:
suffolk009 said:
Genuine question; how do you get an additional 30bhp from the cooling system?
I think that might be bad grammar - think it was supposed to say that Mclaren have extracted 30bhp from the same engine as before - unless someone can shine a light on it?this way of increasing power does
not necessarily need upgraded internals, as seen with the 997 turbo engines.
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Lol. Apologies for the holiday time delay but boom there she is the latest acquisition to the fleet.
Love it and it's carbon tub even if it's not a naturally aspirated beast. Proper hard-core and aggressive styling. Sure to be quick with that power to weight
Prefer the looks over the mighty but controversial 720S but no doubt the usual McLaren bashers will turn up to criticise regardless.
Easy to spot them - green and envious looking
Love it and it's carbon tub even if it's not a naturally aspirated beast. Proper hard-core and aggressive styling. Sure to be quick with that power to weight
Prefer the looks over the mighty but controversial 720S but no doubt the usual McLaren bashers will turn up to criticise regardless.
Easy to spot them - green and envious looking
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