RE: McLaren 600LT revealed

RE: McLaren 600LT revealed

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tejr

3,101 posts

163 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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fioravanti said:
Why would anyone care about the power to dry weight? It's a pointless metric. The car can't run without fluids!
The only reason I can think is that it makes comparison less effected by variables?

Ie. if one models runs a huge fuel tank/massive washer fluid bottles, it'll make the car seem heavier on paper than a similar car from another manufacturer.

jayemm89

4,003 posts

129 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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I have a suspicion McLaren may not have extracted ANY more power out of this engine than before - it seemed generally accepted the 570's power rating was quite conservative, perhaps this may just be more honest.

I would love it to sound awesome, I recently drove a 570 Spider with the MSO Titanium exhaust and it sounded a bit "meh" still

cib24

1,115 posts

152 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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The Surveyor said:
I do listen to one when I drive mine, as I said they don't sound like a traditional V8 and some like the sound, other don't.

The point I was making is that McLarens have never been slated for their performance, so I can't agree that "That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down" when it offers massive power when called.

Did you find the engine in the 720s lacking?
Of course I think we all agree that the cars are extremely fast and capable. However, like the Ford GT, Dallara or even at a lower end of the cost spectrum, i.e. the new Porsche Boxster and Cayman (and hell even the Alpine and Alfa 4C), if I'm spending good money on a car...and if I'm spending McLaren money...I want the full experience. Porsche Carrera GT or Ferarri 458 Speciale type noises including all of the good things that make a McLaren awesome. Don't short change me and my money with a motor that doesn't sound like £200,000-350,000 should. Kind of get what I mean?

Edited by cib24 on Thursday 28th June 15:07

Macboy

732 posts

204 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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tejr said:
fioravanti said:
Why would anyone care about the power to dry weight? It's a pointless metric. The car can't run without fluids!
The only reason I can think is that it makes comparison less effected by variables?

Ie. if one models runs a huge fuel tank/massive washer fluid bottles, it'll make the car seem heavier on paper than a similar car from another manufacturer.
It simply makes it appear lighter. The EVO test of a full-up Aston Vantage (one you can drive with oil and those pesky fluids in) was shockingly heavy well compared to everyone else in the test. At launch it looked reasonably light because they quoted a dry figure. It's weasel words - the obfuscation of PR and marketing speak ruling common sense. Why quote a power to weight dry as they do here? What purpose can that serve as you can't start let alone run a fluid-free car?

griffdude

1,819 posts

247 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Do those exhausts have some kind of truck style flap to stop the rain getting in when parked?

Macboy

732 posts

204 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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cib24 said:
Of course I think we all agree that the cars are extremely fast and capable. However, like the Ford GT, Dallara or even at a lower end of the cost spectrum, i.e. the new Porsche Boxster and Cayman (and hell even the Alpine and Alfa 4C), if I'm spending good money on a car...and if I'm spending McLaren money...I want the full experience. Porsche Carrera GT or Ferarri 458 Speciale type noises including all of the good things that make a McLaren awesome. Don't short change me and my money with a motor that doesn't sound like £200,000-350,000 should. Kind of get what I mean?

Edited by cib24 on Thursday 28th June 15:07
Agree with this entirely. I've only been a passenger but it doesn't sound special and worst of all at everyday speeds that won't get you put in prison on the road it is really lacking the drama of V8 noise - not "I've got a straight through exhaust on my Vantage" noise like our new wide-boy neighbour, but a feel-good soundtrack. A friend's E55 sounds terrific even at normal speeds, the 650 I went in just didn't. Not knocking its immense performance at all but a nice sound is something it seems to lack.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

127 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Looks like Schmee150 bought the Senna. He might have been better off saving a few pennies and buying this. Although for that sort of person buying the Fiesta ST LT of the lowest model probably does not enough "likes" potential.

It does look rather nice, the 918 style top exit exhausts always look fantastic. The front is still brilliant too.

At a price figure starting with a 1 ( without options) that is not bad at all. PH and the auto journals need to do a 720S v 600LT back to back without telling Mclaren. smile

Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 28th June 15:21

Gandahar

9,600 posts

127 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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griffdude said:
Do those exhausts have some kind of truck style flap to stop the rain getting in when parked?
As the 918 has been around so long and has not had an issues I am surprised this becomes a new worry on PH


GranCab

2,902 posts

145 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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The Surveyor said:
GranCab said:
The Surveyor said:
cib24 said:
Will it still sound terrible? That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down.
The engine is epic, may not sound like a rumbly old V8 (or a Mazda rotary laugh) but the McLaren V8 twin turbo engine really isn't a let-down, not by any measure.
You need to listen to one from within and hear one drive by ... they sound like a chavved 4 pot hatchback at best.

When I had a test drive in the 720 all I could hear was tyre roar, amplified by the open rear deck behind your head.
I do listen to one when I drive mine, as I said they don't sound like a traditional V8 and some like the sound, other don't.

The point I was making is that McLarens have never been slated for their performance, so I can't agree that "That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down" when it offers massive power when called.

Did you find the engine in the 720s lacking?
It was quick enough when let off the leash but at low speeds the (factory demo) car had various problems including hesitant pick-up at low revs and and an array of warning lights coming and going during the drive ...

suffolk009

5,344 posts

164 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Carl_Manchester said:
aazer89 said:
suffolk009 said:
Genuine question; how do you get an additional 30bhp from the cooling system?
I think that might be bad grammar - think it was supposed to say that Mclaren have extracted 30bhp from the same engine as before - unless someone can shine a light on it?
at risk of being eaten alive on here by a mechanic, the engine ECU has probably been loosened by 30hp by an increase of intercooler surface area, quality and or air flow into the intercoolers. one of the main issues with turbo engines is heat soak and thus an increase in power output must be matched by intercooler and or airflow increases.

this way of increasing power does
not necessarily need upgraded internals, as seen with the 997 turbo engines.
A larger/more efficient intercooler would make sense. But in thirty something years of reading quite a bit about Turbocharged cars I have never once heard of an intercooler being referred to as "the cooling system".

aazer89

542 posts

143 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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cib24 said:
Of course I think we all agree that the cars are extremely fast and capable. However, like the Ford GT, Dallara or even at a lower end of the cost spectrum, i.e. the new Porsche Boxster and Cayman (and hell even the Alpine and Alfa 4C), if I'm spending good money on a car...and if I'm spending McLaren money...I want the full experience. Porsche Carrera GT or Ferarri 458 Speciale type noises including all of the good things that make a McLaren awesome. Don't short change me and my money with a motor that doesn't sound like £200,000-350,000 should. Kind of get what I mean?

Edited by cib24 on Thursday 28th June 15:07
Can see what you are both saying. Biggest issue here is that (like paintwork) personal preference will take over.
What sounds beautiful to one person may sound dreadful to another - but it is the joy of being human we all like different things and it keeps life interesting.
For that kind of money I can see what you are saying - you need the drama, the thrill and no distraction from that with something bugging you

Gameface

16,565 posts

76 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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The Surveyor said:
cib24 said:
Will it still sound terrible? That motor in all McLarens is their biggest let down.
The engine is epic, may not sound like a rumbly old V8 (or a Mazda rotary laugh) but the McLaren V8 twin turbo engine really isn't a let-down, not by any measure.
I disagree. They don't sound anywhere near good enough.

GranCab

2,902 posts

145 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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suffolk009 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
aazer89 said:
suffolk009 said:
Genuine question; how do you get an additional 30bhp from the cooling system?
I think that might be bad grammar - think it was supposed to say that Mclaren have extracted 30bhp from the same engine as before - unless someone can shine a light on it?
at risk of being eaten alive on here by a mechanic, the engine ECU has probably been loosened by 30hp by an increase of intercooler surface area, quality and or air flow into the intercoolers. one of the main issues with turbo engines is heat soak and thus an increase in power output must be matched by intercooler and or airflow increases.

this way of increasing power does
not necessarily need upgraded internals, as seen with the 997 turbo engines.
A larger/more efficient intercooler would make sense. But in thirty something years of reading quite a bit about Turbocharged cars I have never once heard of an intercooler being referred to as "the cooling system".
... well the article was "written" by Nic Cockup .....

aazer89

542 posts

143 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... page two if anyone wants to see Rambo's thoughts!

Mike1990

962 posts

130 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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I'am guessing this is more a rival to the GT3/RS ? I wonder if we will see something similar from Audi and Lamborghini. The more track focused SV and GT variants with similar power to the the GT3/RS and 600LT.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Mike1990 said:
I'am guessing this is more a rival to the GT3/RS ? I wonder if we will see something similar from Audi and Lamborghini. The more track focused SV and GT variants with similar power to the the GT3/RS and 600LT.
Don't we already have the Performante?

moffspeed

2,664 posts

206 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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"Long tail" normally refers to Le Mans specific aero - think of the 917's ,Matras and all those French Index of Efficiency specials.

If this car is an LT it's a Manx Cat LT...

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

169 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Lol. Apologies for the holiday time delay but boom there she is the latest acquisition to the fleet.
Love it and it's carbon tub even if it's not a naturally aspirated beast. Proper hard-core and aggressive styling. Sure to be quick with that power to weight

Prefer the looks over the mighty but controversial 720S but no doubt the usual McLaren bashers will turn up to criticise regardless.
Easy to spot them - green and envious looking

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

126 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Looks like it should be fantastic, and that interior, specifically the seats, just brought a lazy-one on biggrin

The Vambo

6,643 posts

140 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Bright Halo said:
Come on McLaren, give us something different and maybe even at a lower price point!
What were you thinking, £4.49?