Is this classed as Undertaking?

Is this classed as Undertaking?

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pingu393

7,715 posts

204 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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curlie467 said:
You really are a PH patronising aren't you laugh
Plus you've gone from watching the wheels to looking at the car which is surprisingly enough what everyone else does laugh

Edited by curlie467 on Saturday 18th August 09:15
If I were really a PH patronising , I'd comment on the absence of a comma and question mark, but I'm not, so I won't smile.

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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nonsequitur said:
7heGeneral said:
Unfortunately it is undertaking. I was doing as you describe with a marked police car behind me thinking i was doing no wrong. It was a 50 mph limit (A road) and I'd stayed on the limit, completely oblivious that they were counting how many cars I'd been undertaking. They had me pull over shortly after I'd moved in to the middle lane (the inside lane was soon going to turn off the main carriageway).

I got lucky that the officers understood that I'd "misunderstood" the rule about staying in the inside lane if it was free so let me off with a warning. Essentially if you are in the inside lane, you are not supposed to pass vehicles in the outside lane(s) unless the other lanes are stationary / coming to a halt.
Or travelling at a similar speed to those in lane 1
in other words holding station with, no sneaking up the inside to squeeze in at the front, and slow everyone else down

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

115 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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saaby93 said:
nonsequitur said:
es, you are expected to return to lane 1 after OT, but so many don't, so a quick indication is a confirmation that you are actually moving back. How difficult is it to indicate? Not at all.
It didnt used to be that way
There used to be a slow lane for slow traffic, a faster lane for faster traffic , and an overtaking lane
So if you were 'fast traffic' you could stay in that lane without joining the slow lane
But what is slow?
If no-one else is about you are the slow traffic ( or are you the fast traffic)
Is that a more useful discussion than a motorway is a one way street
So really nothing has changed.

TheInsanity1234

740 posts

118 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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saaby93 said:
nonsequitur said:
es, you are expected to return to lane 1 after OT, but so many don't, so a quick indication is a confirmation that you are actually moving back. How difficult is it to indicate? Not at all.
It didnt used to be that way
There used to be a slow lane for slow traffic, a faster lane for faster traffic , and an overtaking lane
So if you were 'fast traffic' you could stay in that lane without joining the slow lane
But what is slow?
If no-one else is about you are the slow traffic ( or are you the fast traffic)
Is that a more useful discussion than a motorway is a one way street
It was never like that though? Motorways, since the introduction of the 70 mph speed limit, have always had all lanes subject to the same maximum speed. There is no "slow" lane, nor is there a "fast lane"! There is a Lane 1, which is the driving lane, and the one most people should be in whenever they can, and then there are Lanes 2, 3, 4, and so on, which are all overtaking lanes, so you don't drive in them unless you're overtaking. Now of course, due to the high levels of traffic, the chances you'll be overtaking slower moving traffic is very high, so people do tend to just sit in a lane during congested times, and this isn't too bad as everybody's moving at similar speeds.

The problem with this mindset is that, it means when the traffic isn't as heavy, then people will sit in Lane 2 for ages despite Lane 1 being clear, simply because they think "Oh that's the slow lane, I can't go in that because I'm doing 65" or some stupid justification.

curlie467

7,650 posts

200 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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pingu393 said:
curlie467 said:
You really are a PH patronising aren't you laugh
Plus you've gone from watching the wheels to looking at the car which is surprisingly enough what everyone else does laugh

Edited by curlie467 on Saturday 18th August 09:15
If I were really a PH patronising , I'd comment on the absence of a comma and question mark, but I'm not, so I won't smile.
laugh

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th August 2018
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Collaudatore

1,054 posts

201 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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robinessex said:
Collaudatore said:
saaby93 said:
a nornal road is like two one way streets in opposite directions next to each other
Glad you're catching on smile
Er, no he didn't. Try driving PERMANTELY in the R.H. side of a normal street!
Yer ah know.
I just found Saaby's post could be deliberately misquoted for my own amusement (I indicated my intentions using a smiley face, as per the PH Code)
I was hoping he'd bite...but it looks like you did on his behalf smile


Pica-Pica

13,620 posts

83 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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curlie467 said:
Pica-Pica said:
jimmy156 said:
Pica-Pica said:
jimmy156 said:
Pica-Pica said:
curlie467 said:
pingu393 said:
I always watch the front wheels of any car that I undertake. I am ready to react if the wheels start to steer towards me. I do this during overtakes as well, but I am particularly aware when undertaking as the MLM is just that, a Middle Lane Moron and they might do anything.
laugh wtf?
bks.
No, watching the front wheels is extremely valid, and additionally so at roundabouts where indicating is a lost art.
(Let’s assume front wheel steer only, to avoid any wise-guys)
Yes but unless the MLM in question has just put a whole turn of lock on (in which case you and he are probably fked anyway) there is now way you can perceive the wheels actually turning towards your lane hehe
Really? Try a few more years of driving.
Why? So by then my eyesight will be as bad as yours and i will think i can see the 1/32 turn of lock required to change lane, whilst driving at 70mph down a dual carriageway? hehe
Ha! You are not looking for turn, but a reduced wheel arch to tyre gap at front of tyre, pretty easy.
laugh have a word with yourself, you honestly drive along looking at the front wheels of cars?
fking dead safe laugh
More PH holier than thou ste rolleyes
I am talking about that time-gap between being behind a vehicle and then going into the blind-spot, whether ‘undertaking’ or overtaking. I use a squirt of acceleration to get past to minimise passing phase, not just siting on cruise control. The road is clear ahead, where else do you suggest I glance for the priority hazard?

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Collaudatore said:
robinessex said:
Collaudatore said:
saaby93 said:
a nornal road is like two one way streets in opposite directions next to each other
Glad you're catching on smile
Er, no he didn't. Try driving PERMANTELY in the R.H. side of a normal street!
Yer ah know.
I just found Saaby's post could be deliberately misquoted for my own amusement (I indicated my intentions using a smiley face, as per the PH Code)
I was hoping he'd bite...but it looks like you did on his behalf smile
;)


M4cruiser

3,546 posts

149 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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THIS is surely illegal "overtaking on the left":-


https://youtu.be/z5mBMtLU1sY


roadsmash

2,622 posts

69 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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M4cruiser said:
THIS is surely illegal "overtaking on the left":-


https://youtu.be/z5mBMtLU1sY
Obviously!

Anyone willing to debate this? I bet there is one knob who will say this is perfectly acceptable.

Toltec

7,159 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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roadsmash said:
M4cruiser said:
THIS is surely illegal "overtaking on the left":-


https://youtu.be/z5mBMtLU1sY
Obviously!

Anyone willing to debate this? I bet there is one knob who will say this is perfectly acceptable.
The camera car, the one that pulled across the solid white lines or both? wink

Really long slip road, I thought it was going to turn into an exit lane.

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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what about this on the same youtube page
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51epGAms9Jc
The signs did say the lane was closed 2 miles back
If you watch to the end what was the reason for all the lanes being blocked

Sad Ken

623 posts

109 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Headline: saaby in talking bks again shocker laugh

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Sad Ken said:
Headline: saaby in talking bks again shocker laugh
whihc bit?
At 5:20 all the lanes start moving again - why?

Blib

43,789 posts

196 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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I often travel on the North Circ. (A406) late on a Sunday night, from Hanger Lane down to Brent Cross. It's average speed check the whole way, 40 or 50.

I stick to the inside lane. It is easily the quickest lane. It's also to all intents and purposes empty. As the road is speed limited, I stick to the required speed while the Muppets on 2 & 3 brake test each other.

As an aside, the feeling of schadenfruede as some fly by towards three points is fun. The number of drivers who believe these cameras average the speed of the vehicle as they pass each one, rather than measuring the time taken to travel between two gantries, beggars belief.

curlie467

7,650 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
I am talking about that time-gap between being behind a vehicle and then going into the blind-spot, whether ‘undertaking’ or overtaking. I use a squirt of acceleration to get past to minimise passing phase, not just siting on cruise control. The road is clear ahead, where else do you suggest I glance for the priority hazard?
Holy st, you really are a fking nerd laugh

jfire

5,882 posts

71 months

Tuesday 4th September 2018
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What about when passing people who don't realise you can drive in a bus lane outside of enforced hours?

Pica-Pica

13,620 posts

83 months

Tuesday 4th September 2018
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curlie467 said:
Pica-Pica said:
I am talking about that time-gap between being behind a vehicle and then going into the blind-spot, whether ‘undertaking’ or overtaking. I use a squirt of acceleration to get past to minimise passing phase, not just siting on cruise control. The road is clear ahead, where else do you suggest I glance for the priority hazard?
Holy st, you really are a fking nerd laugh
No, I just observe the clues. As I said, if nothing is ahead, you watch the car beside and any hints that it may move across. It really is that simple. Obviously too complex for some though.

Toltec

7,159 posts

222 months

Tuesday 4th September 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
curlie467 said:
Pica-Pica said:
I am talking about that time-gap between being behind a vehicle and then going into the blind-spot, whether ‘undertaking’ or overtaking. I use a squirt of acceleration to get past to minimise passing phase, not just siting on cruise control. The road is clear ahead, where else do you suggest I glance for the priority hazard?
Holy st, you really are a fking nerd laugh
No, I just observe the clues. As I said, if nothing is ahead, you watch the car beside and any hints that it may move across. It really is that simple. Obviously too complex for some though.
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