Is this classed as Undertaking?
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I have looked at the many threads but cannot see my answer....
So if I am driving in L1 of Mway at a steady 65-70 along with other cars and L2 & L3 are busy with cars that are doing about same speed if I keep my speed steady and keep going is this classed as Undertaking?
Or am I meant to hang my speed back to match the car in L2 so I stay behind?
I always though undertaking was if you deliberately switched lanes to Undertake say L3 to L2 and then back to L3 etc.....
So if I am driving in L1 of Mway at a steady 65-70 along with other cars and L2 & L3 are busy with cars that are doing about same speed if I keep my speed steady and keep going is this classed as Undertaking?
Or am I meant to hang my speed back to match the car in L2 so I stay behind?
I always though undertaking was if you deliberately switched lanes to Undertake say L3 to L2 and then back to L3 etc.....
32Ford29 said:
I have looked at the many threads but cannot see my answer....
So if I am driving in L1 of Mway at a steady 65-70 along with other cars and L2 & L3 are busy with cars that are doing about same speed if I keep my speed steady and keep going is this classed as Undertaking?
Or am I meant to hang my speed back to match the car in L2 so I stay behind?
I always though undertaking was if you deliberately switched lanes to Undertake say L3 to L2 and then back to L3 etc.....
It has nothing to do with lane changing. Passing on the nearside is undertaking. The highway code says you shouldn't do it, but it then describes limited circumstances where it would be OK, but if you do it when it's OK that doesn't mean it isn't undertaking it just means you've done it in circumstances it was described as OK in the highway code.So if I am driving in L1 of Mway at a steady 65-70 along with other cars and L2 & L3 are busy with cars that are doing about same speed if I keep my speed steady and keep going is this classed as Undertaking?
Or am I meant to hang my speed back to match the car in L2 so I stay behind?
I always though undertaking was if you deliberately switched lanes to Undertake say L3 to L2 and then back to L3 etc.....
Douglas Quaid said:
If you’re in the middle lane you should be able to pull back over to the left lane without indicating at any point. If someone is undertaking and blocking that manoeuvre they’re in the wrong.
So this is what I mean, so everytime I reach a car in L2 i need to move from L1 to L3 to pass and then back because the w
k in L2 cannot pull back in when he should!32Ford29 said:
Douglas Quaid said:
If you’re in the middle lane you should be able to pull back over to the left lane without indicating at any point. If someone is undertaking and blocking that manoeuvre they’re in the wrong.
So this is what I mean, so everytime I reach a car in L2 i need to move from L1 to L3 to pass and then back because the wk in L2 cannot pull back in when he should!It's quite clearly explained.
HC said:
Rule 268
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 14th August 22:06
Douglas Quaid said:
If you’re in the middle lane you should be able to pull back over to the left lane without indicating at any point. If someone is undertaking and blocking that manoeuvre they’re in the wrong.
Can't find that in the Highway Code anywhere... Can you link to the appropriate paragraph?Or is it from The Road Captain's Handbook?
I read on another thread a post from a BiB. He said that an overtake starts with a lane change.
An undertake isn't explained, but the start of the explanation could be reasonably be assumed to be the same as an overtake.
I always watch the front wheels of any car that I undertake. I am ready to react if the wheels start to steer towards me. I do this during overtakes as well, but I am particularly aware when undertaking as the MLM is just that, a Middle Lane Moron and they might do anything.
An undertake isn't explained, but the start of the explanation could be reasonably be assumed to be the same as an overtake.
I always watch the front wheels of any car that I undertake. I am ready to react if the wheels start to steer towards me. I do this during overtakes as well, but I am particularly aware when undertaking as the MLM is just that, a Middle Lane Moron and they might do anything.
Technically yes, however because the standard of driving is so poor in the UK we're frequently in the position you describe.
I always like to practice defensive driving, if you're undertaking/passing someone on the left you are putting yourself at risk by being where you really shouldn't be. This risk is massively increased with HGVs. Ask yourself, do you trust the guy on the right? I don't.
Additionally if someone were to happen you maybe share responsibility by again, being where you shouldn't be.
Personally I always overtake on the right, I spend 8-10 hours on the road a day and I see how shocking many people can be.
I've recently come back from Europe, driving on the motorways in France and Italy was absolute bliss, to us it seems aggressive but if a car comes up behind you then you get the fk out the way, if you hold that car up, you're the one bring rude, not the car behind flashing the lights, and you know, it works! Just don't drive in an Italian city.
I always like to practice defensive driving, if you're undertaking/passing someone on the left you are putting yourself at risk by being where you really shouldn't be. This risk is massively increased with HGVs. Ask yourself, do you trust the guy on the right? I don't.
Additionally if someone were to happen you maybe share responsibility by again, being where you shouldn't be.
Personally I always overtake on the right, I spend 8-10 hours on the road a day and I see how shocking many people can be.
I've recently come back from Europe, driving on the motorways in France and Italy was absolute bliss, to us it seems aggressive but if a car comes up behind you then you get the f
k out the way, if you hold that car up, you're the one bring rude, not the car behind flashing the lights, and you know, it works! Just don't drive in an Italian city.Edited by Valgar on Tuesday 14th August 22:16
pingu393 said:
I read on another thread a post from a BiB. He said that an overtake starts with a lane change.
An undertake isn't explained, but the start of the explanation could be reasonably be assumed to be the same as an overtake.
That's An undertake isn't explained, but the start of the explanation could be reasonably be assumed to be the same as an overtake.
Look at rule 268 I've copied above & look at the 'OR' in the first sentence.
vonhosen said:
pingu393 said:
I read on another thread a post from a BiB. He said that an overtake starts with a lane change.
An undertake isn't explained, but the start of the explanation could be reasonably be assumed to be the same as an overtake.
That's An undertake isn't explained, but the start of the explanation could be reasonably be assumed to be the same as an overtake.
Look at rule 268 I've copied above & look at the 'OR' in the first sentence.
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. - Pretty clear, until I read the caveats...
In congested conditions, - define "congested"
where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds - define "similar",
traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. - so I can "undertake"
Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake. - the "undertaker" in this example hasn't changed lanes.
I'm glad that this is so clear.
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