Is this classed as Undertaking?
Discussion
saaby93 said:
captain_cynic said:
Technically you don't NEED to as failure to indicate isn't an offence here in the UK. Same as overtaking on the left isn't an offence.
Neither will directly result in charges, but neither are a good habit.
Can you include queue jumping in thatNeither will directly result in charges, but neither are a good habit.
Real queue jumping – like a slip road, an established single lane, or where someone uses a right/left only filter lane to go straight ahead.
Or
False queue jumping - where people don’t use both lanes up until the official and fully signed merger point and wrongly complain about those who are actually doing the correct thing..
Or
Boxing day queue jumping – where some bloke has been camping in a tent outside a shopfor two days and a bloke in an RRS parks on DYL’s, says ‘ill only be 5 minutes’ and loiters at the front of the queue.
Detail matters.
roadsmash said:
All professional lorry drivers and drivers of other large vehicles indicate when returning to the left, so why shouldn’t I? Because I’m in a smaller vehicle? That’s just silly.
No, but maybe because we are generally a significantly faster travelling vehicle? I am going faster, when returning to lane one, than they are able to...
And so... do you also return to lane one a ball hair in front of other lorries like lorry drivers do?
Do you also flash your repeaters this way and that after returning to lane 1?
Lorry drivers do.
Do you drive at 60 mph or whatever they are restricted to?
If a lorry driver jumped off a bridge, would you?
vonhosen said:
What you are visualising might not be what I'm visualising.
What you see might not be what I see.
I'm not going to tell you what you should do, it's up to you to decide what you are going to do & you are responsible for that choice & outcome.
What a cop-outWhat you see might not be what I see.
I'm not going to tell you what you should do, it's up to you to decide what you are going to do & you are responsible for that choice & outcome.
(geddit?)
I would guess by your refusal to answer, passing on the left is okay in this case, but as a retired policeman you would never advocate it, because then we would all say "Because Vonhosen said it was okay on PH" when we got pulled
Collaudatore said:
No, but maybe because we are generally a significantly faster travelling vehicle?
I am going faster, when returning to lane one, than they are able to...
And so... do you also return to lane one a ball hair in front of other lorries like lorry drivers do?
Do you also flash your repeaters this way and that after returning to lane 1?
Lorry drivers do.
Do you drive at 60 mph or whatever they are restricted to?
If a lorry driver jumped off a bridge, would you?
I am going faster, when returning to lane one, than they are able to...
And so... do you also return to lane one a ball hair in front of other lorries like lorry drivers do?
Do you also flash your repeaters this way and that after returning to lane 1?
Lorry drivers do.
Do you drive at 60 mph or whatever they are restricted to?
If a lorry driver jumped off a bridge, would you?
Not much goig on in the sanatorium today?
Pica-Pica said:
Hol said:
32Ford29 said:
Todd Bonzalez said:
[quote=32Ford29
Personally I think anyone who consciously decides not to indicate their intentions, when its so easy is a few sandwiches short of a picnic..
I suppose anyone asking ‘may I have the sauce please, when they are alone’ is OK then?Personally I think anyone who consciously decides not to indicate their intentions, when its so easy is a few sandwiches short of a picnic..
I only indicate when necessary, or likely to appear, or am turning into a blind road where there may be someone that I cannot see. That does not mean that I am ‘a few sandwiches short of a picnic’, it means I am thinking about my driving. There is a big difference between being too lazy, to indicate, and actually assessing (constantly) the surroundings and deciding not to indicate.
Example, I am going straight over a four-way roundabout with clear vision of all roads, and no road users to benefit, I do not indicate. If there are road users to benefit, I will indicate.
Rather than following the same dogma & applying the generic "rules" without thought, I prefer to pay attention to what is going on around me and read what is happening and apply my actions as necessary.
That's what keeps me alert on long drives.
I have to say to all these people whose "piss I am boiling" they've obviously not understood that I do not advocate *never* indicating a return to lane one, just when it makes no difference.
And furthemore, to those quoting of the Highway Grail, I would say you need to study it harder as it gives some pretty clear instances when an indicate is not recommended.
(Go look)
Collaudatore said:
vonhosen said:
What you are visualising might not be what I'm visualising.
What you see might not be what I see.
I'm not going to tell you what you should do, it's up to you to decide what you are going to do & you are responsible for that choice & outcome.
What a cop-outWhat you see might not be what I see.
I'm not going to tell you what you should do, it's up to you to decide what you are going to do & you are responsible for that choice & outcome.
(geddit?)
I would guess by your refusal to answer, passing on the left is okay in this case, but as a retired policeman you would never advocate it, because then we would all say "Because Vonhosen said it was okay on PH" when we got pulled
Work out what you're going to do, why you're going to go with that choice & take responsibility for any outcome following that choice.
I don't tell drivers what to do, I may point out some things that are considerations if they haven't thought about or considered them, but there is no point me telling them what to do because I'm not going to be there to tell them what to do next time they have a problem. They've got to learn to think for themselves & make decisions for themselves. They've also got to learn to be responsible for their choices whether it goes right or wrong (don't blame others).
Todd Bonzalez said:
Right, you lot made me question myself so much that I tracked down the advanced driving bloke at work.
He said you DON'T need to indicate when pulling back in.
This is a former police driver who now trains UK OEM advanced courses so hopefully has some idea what he's on about.
Likewise mine came from a former fire engine driver turned advanced/defensive driving instructor.He said you DON'T need to indicate when pulling back in.
This is a former police driver who now trains UK OEM advanced courses so hopefully has some idea what he's on about.
Another time he saw me indicating and asked why, I replied "in case I hadn't seen someone".
He asked why I proceeded to manouver if I wasn't confident that I had seen "everyone"
saaby93 said:
captain_cynic said:
Technically you don't NEED to as failure to indicate isn't an offence here in the UK. Same as overtaking on the left isn't an offence.
Neither will directly result in charges, but neither are a good habit.
Can you include queue jumping in thatNeither will directly result in charges, but neither are a good habit.
A motorway is a one way street
143.One-way streets.
Traffic MUST travel in the direction indicated by signs. Buses and/or cycles may have a contraflow lane. Choose the correct lane for your exit as soon as you can. Do not change lanes suddenly. Unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise, you should use:-
the left-hand lane when going left
the right-hand lane when going right
the most appropriate lane when going straight ahead.
Remember – traffic could be passing on both sides.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & RTRA sects
143.One-way streets.
Traffic MUST travel in the direction indicated by signs. Buses and/or cycles may have a contraflow lane. Choose the correct lane for your exit as soon as you can. Do not change lanes suddenly. Unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise, you should use:-
the left-hand lane when going left
the right-hand lane when going right
the most appropriate lane when going straight ahead.
Remember – traffic could be passing on both sides.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & RTRA sects
pingu393 said:
I always watch the front wheels of any car that I undertake. I am ready to react if the wheels start to steer towards me. I do this during overtakes as well, but I am particularly aware when undertaking as the MLM is just that, a Middle Lane Moron and they might do anything.
wtf?b
ks.curlie467 said:
pingu393 said:
I always watch the front wheels of any car that I undertake. I am ready to react if the wheels start to steer towards me. I do this during overtakes as well, but I am particularly aware when undertaking as the MLM is just that, a Middle Lane Moron and they might do anything.
wtf?b
ks.(Let’s assume front wheel steer only, to avoid any wise-guys)
Collaudatore said:
I have to say to you, pica,..."Exactly"
Rather than following the same dogma & applying the generic "rules" without thought, I prefer to pay attention to what is going on around me and read what is happening and apply my actions as necessary.
That's what keeps me alert on long drives.
I have to say to all these people whose "piss I am boiling" they've obviously not understood that I do not advocate *never* indicating a return to lane one, just when it makes no difference.
And furthemore, to those quoting of the Highway Grail, I would say you need to study it harder as it gives some pretty clear instances when an indicate is not recommended.
(Go look)
I'm not sure I could trust the Rather than following the same dogma & applying the generic "rules" without thought, I prefer to pay attention to what is going on around me and read what is happening and apply my actions as necessary.
That's what keeps me alert on long drives.
I have to say to all these people whose "piss I am boiling" they've obviously not understood that I do not advocate *never* indicating a return to lane one, just when it makes no difference.
And furthemore, to those quoting of the Highway Grail, I would say you need to study it harder as it gives some pretty clear instances when an indicate is not recommended.
(Go look)
robinessex said:
saaby93 said:
robinessex said:
saaby93 said:
robinessex said:
A motorway is a one way street
Source?robinessex said:
Buses and/or cycles may have a contraflow lane.
Cyclists aren’t allowed on the motorway.A one way STREET is a one way street, a motorway is a motorway.
roadsmash said:
I’m so sorry but the stupidity of this one way street debate has compelled me to double post.
How on Earth you can suggest the rules and laws of a one way street are comparable to the rules and laws of a motorway defeats me. What are you smoking?
Smoking the same sHow on Earth you can suggest the rules and laws of a one way street are comparable to the rules and laws of a motorway defeats me. What are you smoking?
t as the people driving on motorways staring at the front wheels of other vehicles Mandalore said:
I'm not sure I could trust the lame excuses to be lazy driversview of anyone who cant use quotations correctly.
Normally I wouldn't either. ..but seeing as I agreed with him Was planning to fix them for him but seeing as it was getting late and I had a lot of flaming to get through
BTW one might argue that it takes a lot more effort to pay attention and think than it does to perform the same thoughtless routine
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