Porsche 993/964 historic prices

[v8ksn]

Morning all, hope you can help.

I am looking for historic prices of the 993 and 964, what they went for in 2005 / 2010 / 2015 etc and at what mileages.

I'm hoping someone kept a spreadsheet as that would be perfect.

I dont mind anyone making a profit on these cars as that is just the way things work but there are a few owners out there that I feel are hoping to cash in having spent nothing on the car with regards to preventative maintenance or upgrading worn out parts etc in their years of ownership.

I know that condition is KEY with these cars and high mileage 'Triggers-broom' cars can in some cases be a better buy than low mileage never used examples. I am trying to figure out what is a 'good deal' in the current market and without historic information its difficult to work out.

[Big Raff]

Not sure about spreadsheet but here you go re: my 964 C4 Cab

Bought 2010, 53k, £13.5k

Sold to 911Virgin (px'd) 2014, 60k, £22k. I had spent over £20k on this car from interior re-trim, to full 9m rebuild with some 964RS (Clutch, flywheel) and 993RS (Cams) parts with everything in between.

911Virgin advertised 2015 @ £45k - and it sold

There is no value in todays 964 or 993 market, if you have them great, but the 964 in middleing condition with 100k+ miles is not worth the prices they are being advertised for. Will we see a correction, probably not back to those 2010 prices where you could get 964 Turbo's for <£40k, but a correction for those cars which need all the work would be nice.

Edited by Big Raff on Monday 20th August 16:56

[n12maser]

bought a 993 cab manual w/ 130k miles from a non-specialist dealer in Dec 2014 for £20.5k. Full service history but the PPI showed it needed a refurbed steering rack and was misfiring so the dealer covered the cost of these. It also had a few minor rust patches developing.

Px'd the above to a specialist dealer in late summer 2015 for £25k towards a 964 C4 manual with 114k miles which I bought for £37k. Didn't need any work really except was still on original suspension.

Sold the 964 in 2016 for just under £30k to a different specialist Porsche dealer. Shortly after, bought a 993 Carrera coupe manual w/ 112k on the clock privately for £33,500. Over the last 2 years have spent £11k on this one not including yearly servicing, bringing it up to scratch (main outlays on suspension, bodywork and refurbed steering rack). This one's a keeper. It now has 118k miles.

[v8ksn]

Thanks for your replies guys.

There are a lot of cars out there that have had no work on them and the sellers want the moon on a stick for them. I'm leaning towards buying a battered old original numbers-matching 993 or 964 and spending ££££ on it to get the car I want.

It's probably the most expensive route but i'm sure it will be more fun and rewarding.

[IMI A]

Is the red one at 911V not of interest? I’d have bought that if hadn’t bought the 9m 3.8 RS. I think 911V’s 993 looks lovely in red and always better to buy a car that needs for nothing. It’s a peach of a car. Slippy even has RS cup body kit and door cars which would look nuts on a red car! You can have a go in Yellow Peril if you pop up to 911V as still haven’t taken delivery. Tom bought the car at my request, inspected it and sorting a few niggles out. Not charged anything for doing so

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

I’m 2015 same car £50k

Currently between £57k and £80k for a good original panel no rust car with lowish miles

Hope this helps. They look so small next to a 997!

[BertBert]

v8ksn said:

Thanks for your replies guys.

There are a lot of cars out there that have had no work on them and the sellers want the moon on a stick for them. I'm leaning towards buying a battered old original numbers-matching 993 or 964 and spending ££££ on it to get the car I want.

It's probably the most expensive route but i'm sure it will be more fun and rewarding.

It will certainly be very expensive indeed. By battered and old, you presumably mean rusty shell, knackered engine and box and very tatty interior? if so there are two problems...it'll forever be in someone's garage/shed/barn etc having the next thing done so you'll never get to drive it. And secondly it'll cost a fortune! I know I've taken you too literally, but the route you suggest isn't necessarily a good one!

Bert

[Porsche911R]

v8ksn said:

Thanks for your replies guys.

There are a lot of cars out there that have had no work on them and the sellers want the moon on a stick for them. I'm leaning towards buying a battered old original numbers-matching 993 or 964 and spending ££££ on it to get the car I want.

It's probably the most expensive route but i'm sure it will be more fun and rewarding.

it's a scary route, I tuned down a 64 RS lightweight for £37k as it was a rip off at the time :-)

normal cars were £12k to 15 for a nice one, be about 2003 I think.

I would not take one on now, the costs to do body work is mental, all the ones I have seen even at £70k have body issues.

so it's really the time on these for a strip and rebuild, if you are not doing the work yourself, it's a non starter sadly.

there is paint and then paint, so if you get it stripped and the body done for £15k, you then have min 17k paint job, some are even quoting £20k now, re trims and engine rebuilds, then brakes shocks etc etc, it's eye watering if you start with a £70k car and it's still eye watering for a stter as the body will fall apart when you strip it so that's then a £25k job.

the figures don't work unless it's areal keeper and you want a >£110k 964 !

the thing with all these cars be it a base 911T or a 73RS they all cost the same to restore !!! hence the stters will always be the stters , more so now, the money was in doing up the cars which had the BIG values, like the RS models , it's a mind field for the cars people see at £50k !

better to find one which has been done, but then if it's been done to make money the work is sub standard done to a time sheet.

It's a shame but the 964 is now too old, but also due to todays prices not a viable restore option imo, unless you have made £30k on your GT3 and see the 964 as a keeper.

[v8ksn]

IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

I’m 2015 same car £50k

Currently between £57k and £80k for a good original panel no rust car with lowish miles

This is brilliant info, thank you.

The red one at 911V is not of interest as the wife has made one request.....the car is not red! Long story(s) but she has not had much luck in red cars and is now very superstitious!

That yellow 993 looks gorgeous How many cars do you own now? I have lost count

[v8ksn]

Porsche911R said:

I would not take one on now, the costs to do body work is mental, all the ones I have seen even at £70k have body issues.

It's suprising the number of cars out there that look good from a few yards away but once you get up close and start looking underneath you can see the bills mounting up.

[IMI A]

v8ksn said:

IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

I’m 2015 same car £50k

Currently between £57k and £80k for a good original panel no rust car with lowish miles

This is brilliant info, thank you.

The red one at 911V is not of interest as the wife has made one request.....the car is not red! Long story(s) but she has not had much luck in red cars and is now very superstitious!

That yellow 993 looks gorgeous How many cars do you own now? I have lost count

On that note I'm not sure I'd be kicking your 997 GT3 out of bed. Its better than hard currency even with the current volatility in prices its a rock solid investment even if you're not going to use her much - rare in GT Silver too which is an amazing colour. I'd add an air cooled but not sure I'd want to sell a GT3 to get into one. There's also a lovely purple 993 at Paragon. Its worth no more than the red one though IMO and they've had her for ages as over priced. Had her up at £70k not long ago. Knowing Paragon she will be beautifully prepped and want for nothing.

[Steve Rance]

Must have been lucky with mine. No rust evidence anywhere and all exposed bolts and fixings clean and pretty much like new. It came from Japan though - which i know has its owns perils.

Through the whole build of the car there wasnt any corrective work done except for some work on the aircon - approx £250.00 and the speedo needed a rebuild - approx £100. No problems stripping anything down, no rusted fixings etc.. just a straighforward build. The cars is tight, no rattles or shakes. if feels pretty much like a new car.

If you look carefully, there are some nice cars out there although you probably have a better chance if it has spent most of it's life in a warm dry climate

[ras62]

Even a Daily Express editor would blush at the inaccuracy of the numbers being thrown around here as facts.

[IMI A]

ras62 said:

Even a Daily Express editor would blush at the inaccuracy of the numbers being thrown around here as facts.

sorry buddy are my numbers off? I think they're reasonably accurate no?

[Cheib]

IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

2002/3 993’s were low £20k’s....a couple of mates both bought cars around then. Carrera S was low to mid £30k’s. Turbo would have been lin the £40k’s I think. 2.7RS was £50k!

[CrashBang]

ras62 said:

Even a Daily Express editor would blush at the inaccuracy of the numbers being thrown around here as facts.

I thought the same, 17K for a respray!!

[ras62]

IMI A said:

ras62 said:

Even a Daily Express editor would blush at the inaccuracy of the numbers being thrown around here as facts.

sorry buddy are my numbers off? I think they're reasonably accurate no?

Sorry IMI A, I was referring to 911R's little diatribe

[A993LAD]

Cheib said:

2002/3 993’s were low £20k’s....a couple of mates both bought cars around then. Carrera S was low to mid £30k’s. Turbo would have been lin the £40k’s I think. 2.7RS was £50k!

In 2005 myself and two neighbours all bought 993's.

I bought a coupe with 33k miles for £25k (I looked at a red 993rs selling for £37k but walked away because I couldn't see the point in paying £12k more and getting "less car". Doh!!!!
1 mate bought a Targa with 50k miles for £27k
1 mate bought a turbo with 40k miles for £42k

We all kept the cars for a couple of years and then sold for a profit, but I think we all regretted selling them.

In fact I bought another one a few years later

[kevs 172]

Not had any issues with mine either, the work that has been done I have chosen to do.
Talk to Tom at 911V and get some proper advice.
Cheers

[Wilmslowboy]

Sold my high mile (but FSH, 2 owner) 993 4S Man coupe in early 2010 for £20k, tried to buy it back in late 2011 for around £23k but I failed to stretch to the extra £1k the seller wanted.

Failed to buy a "1972 2.7 RS" in 1998 for £25k, it was a bit shabby around the edges and my wife said it had a silly spoiler......

[IMI A]

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