Peugeot 306 GTI-6 prices

Peugeot 306 GTI-6 prices

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greenarrow

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3,551 posts

116 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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Just a question I guess to current and former owners or fans...do you think there is a reason why prices of these cars remain so affordable? Between 1996 and 1999, the GTI-6 (and Rallye) pretty much creamed the opposition in hot hatch articles. I bought all the car mags back then and still have the 1997 Performance Car hot hatch test, where the GTi6 easily fended off 12 rivals. The GTI6 came 4th in Performance Car of the year 1996, ahead of the E36 M3 EVO... The 306 Rallye came 5th in ECOTY 1999, just behind the legendary E39 M5. So, the GTi-6 and Rallye had a reputation arguably as strong as the DC2 Integra, but you still pick them up for peanuts (unlike the Integra!)

On Ebay currently we have a stripped out track day car for £995, a Rallye going for £1795 and another GTI6 for £2500. The Rallye has been on there weeks; it started at £2495 and obviously isn't selling, despite a reasonable MOT history (no advisories last year). By comparison the prices of the little 106 GTI have gone up much more.

Does the GTI-6 have issues, or is it just the fact that they aren't quite as rare as some of the other 90s hot hatches that are sort after now, like the Saxo VTS, Alfa 145 Green Cloverleaf and the 106GTI?

You see I miss our old 205 GTI and fancy buying a modern classic of some description. I nearly bought a Rallye back in 1999 when new and wonder if this could be the last chance to own a classic Pug 306 before prices take off.

Mind you, for similar money you can also pick up a 2004 Clio 182 Cup, a car that finished 3rd in ECOTY 2004...perhaps an even bigger bargain!

Deep Thought

35,724 posts

196 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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greenarrow said:
Just a question I guess to current and former owners or fans...do you think there is a reason why prices of these cars remain so affordable? Between 1996 and 1999, the GTI-6 (and Rallye) pretty much creamed the opposition in hot hatch articles. I bought all the car mags back then and still have the 1997 Performance Car hot hatch test, where the GTi6 easily fended off 12 rivals. The GTI6 came 4th in Performance Car of the year 1996, ahead of the E36 M3 EVO... The 306 Rallye came 5th in ECOTY 1999, just behind the legendary E39 M5. So, the GTi-6 and Rallye had a reputation arguably as strong as the DC2 Integra, but you still pick them up for peanuts (unlike the Integra!)

On Ebay currently we have a stripped out track day car for £995, a Rallye going for £1795 and another GTI6 for £2500. The Rallye has been on there weeks; it started at £2495 and obviously isn't selling, despite a reasonable MOT history (no advisories last year). By comparison the prices of the little 106 GTI have gone up much more.

Does the GTI-6 have issues, or is it just the fact that they aren't quite as rare as some of the other 90s hot hatches that are sort after now, like the Saxo VTS, Alfa 145 Green Cloverleaf and the 106GTI?

You see I miss our old 205 GTI and fancy buying a modern classic of some description. I nearly bought a Rallye back in 1999 when new and wonder if this could be the last chance to own a classic Pug 306 before prices take off.

Mind you, for similar money you can also pick up a 2004 Clio 182 Cup, a car that finished 3rd in ECOTY 2004...perhaps an even bigger bargain!
I think they're a "classic on the cusp" (to use a Quentin Wilson quote).

That Rallye on ebay though - needs a full respray so probably +£1,500 to do that, maybe another +£300 to do an alloy refurb too, and thats just the bits you can see. Suspension, discs, pads? Looks like a car thats just been driven rather than something thats had any care at att - and its red which i dont think helps it. I think most people associate Rallyes with white.


anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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That rallye also only has mot until 22nd november 2018.

if it will pass another easy, why not just get it done?

rallycross

12,747 posts

236 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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I think good clean original ones make strong money as so rare to find one thats original.

Also take a look at Citroen Xsara VTS, better handling newer sister of the 306 Gti, worth even less no- one wants them.

BugLebowski

1,033 posts

115 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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I agree with the "classic on the cusp" comment. Seems most cars follow the same pattern. 205 GTI's were very, very cheap up until the last 5 years or so.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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Sought.

I bought one about 6 years ago for £1500. I sold it two years later for £600 needing a full suspension refresh and welding for MOT. it had had about £2000 spend on it in the 18 months before I bought it.

They're the usual 90s money pits unless you find a really good condition original car, which you won't for under 5 bags.

MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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Pothole said:
Sought.

I bought one about 6 years ago for £1500. I sold it two years later for £600 needing a full suspension refresh and welding for MOT. it had had about £2000 spend on it in the 18 months before I bought it.

They're the usual 90s money pits unless you find a really good condition original car, which you won't for under 5 bags.
Having owned a phase 2.5 GTI-6 this is spot on. They're getting very old now so need a lot of upkeep and every time it needed work done, which in the year before I sold it seemed to be every four to six months, the bill always seemed to start with a 4 or a 5 and be three figures. I believe mine was scrapped due to rust.

I have no doubt that if you keep on top of things they could certainly last a while and will start to rise, but they're far from trouble free. Would I have another? Absolutely, but only a clean one that's had lots of careful maintenance and pre-emptive work done. Without this, or willingness to do this work yourself, they're a money pit.

Edited by MissChief on Monday 10th September 17:26

zedx19

2,704 posts

139 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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I had one for over 8 years, was not a money pit but I did a lot of pre-emptive maintenance myself, together with oil changes every 4k. Wish I'd not sold it, such a fun car. R448 CHP is still on the road today, still being MOT'd, probably still giving it's new owner lots of smiles.

In terms of values, they are creeping up already and will only continue to climb. If you look at other hot hatches of the time, the GTi-6 was ahead in many ways. Only problem is Peugeot decided to flog the HDI with the same wheels and bodykit, so the GTi-6 suddenly looked bland and common. Compare it with say a Clio 1.8 16v of the time with it's wide front and rear archs and bonnet scope and you can see how the GTi-6 became forgotten. It really is a brilliant car though.


PTF

4,252 posts

223 months

Tuesday 11th September 2018
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zedx19 said:
I had one for over 8 years, was not a money pit but I did a lot of pre-emptive maintenance myself, together with oil changes every 4k. Wish I'd not sold it, such a fun car. R448 CHP is still on the road today, still being MOT'd, probably still giving it's new owner lots of smiles.

In terms of values, they are creeping up already and will only continue to climb. If you look at other hot hatches of the time, the GTi-6 was ahead in many ways. Only problem is Peugeot decided to flog the HDI with the same wheels and bodykit, so the GTi-6 suddenly looked bland and common. Compare it with say a Clio 1.8 16v of the time with it's wide front and rear archs and bonnet scope and you can see how the GTi-6 became forgotten. It really is a brilliant car though.

Love this pic

Here's my GTI-6. It's on 80k miles. I bought it cheap about 3 yrs ago and it immediately needed a clutch, gear linkages and throttle cable. The wheels needed a refurb and new tyres (in the right size!) and new brakes all round. I've got a timing belt kit and water pump ready to go on, and it could do with some paint on a couple of panels. It has been sat in my garage doing nothing for most of that 3 yrs. I would sell it, but it owes me probably more than it's worth, and my 8 yr old would kill me as he's got his eye on it for himself...


asimmalik

167 posts

193 months

Tuesday 11th September 2018
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Agree with the OP on this one, but who's complaining? That's why I'm on my third one because they're so affordable.

Regarding the comments about them being "money pits" or needing money spent on them. Which car of the late 90s or early 00s doesn't need money spent on it? The old 'tegs will be more prone to rust than a 306.

greenarrow

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3,551 posts

116 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Interesting replies- never knew they were so troublesome...or is it just neglect from earlier boy racer owners?
I guess this is where my old mx5 is better. Sure they rust but only bill I had was an alternator. Wonder if the ep3 civic type r is cheaper to run as an old soon to be classic. For me though the gti6 has a ride and handling balance never equalled since...

PTF

4,252 posts

223 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Nah they're not that bad. They're relatively simple cars.

Mine was in need of a clutch, which was just down to wear and tear. Likewise with the brakes and tyres, and the wheels were just awful so i bought a refurbed set.

The throttle cable on mine was stiff because they didn't solve this properly until the ph3 cars. The way it was routed in the earlier cars was insane and caused a tight spot. Mine is now really light.

The gear linkages do go a bit sloppy but are a simple/cheap fix. Same thing happened on my 205 GTI many years ago.

Apart from that, mine has rusty air con pipes, so i need to decide whether to replace them or to simply ignore it.

The engines are really reliable if looked after. They do need regular cambelt changes, as often as 30k miles. Mine hasn't had one for ages so i need to get that done before i put it back on the road.

Next on the list would be some OE spec dampers because it's a bit baggy. Again, not expensive and can be done DIY.

In truth, i'm sitting on it until values start to climb, at which point i wouldn't mind doing a full strip down and rebuild with my eldest son (currently 8). Get it resprayed and build it back up again. If they don't climb i'll get the cambelt done and might start using it during the summer time and live with the paintwork.

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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asimmalik said:
Agree with the OP on this one, but who's complaining? That's why I'm on my third one because they're so affordable.

Regarding the comments about them being "money pits" or needing money spent on them. Which car of the late 90s or early 00s doesn't need money spent on it? The old 'tegs will be more prone to rust than a 306.
Read it again. I said "They're the usual 90s money pits.." implying nothing different from any other late 90s/early 00s vehicle.

nunpuncher

3,364 posts

124 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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As a 205 owner from the land before they were worth anything I've often pondered what will be next.

I see 306 values the same as the 309 v 205. The 309 drove better but despite 205 values they still aren't popular. I put this down to the fact that like the 106, the 205 was the affordable entry level hot hatch and therefor people of a certain age, who now have a bit of spare cash and a garage buy them for nostalgia. The Saxo prices support this theory as the fact Citroen gave them away with free insurance in exchange for 3 cornflake box tops in the 90s meant loads of 18 year olds had them.

People of a certain age either want the car they had when they were 17 or they want the car they lusted after when they were 17.

greenarrow

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3,551 posts

116 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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nunpuncher said:
As a 205 owner from the land before they were worth anything I've often pondered what will be next.

I see 306 values the same as the 309 v 205. The 309 drove better but despite 205 values they still aren't popular. I put this down to the fact that like the 106, the 205 was the affordable entry level hot hatch and therefor people of a certain age, who now have a bit of spare cash and a garage buy them for nostalgia. The Saxo prices support this theory as the fact Citroen gave them away with free insurance in exchange for 3 cornflake box tops in the 90s meant loads of 18 year olds had them.

People of a certain age either want the car they had when they were 17 or they want the car they lusted after when they were 17.
Ha Ha, I'm a 205 GTI owner who really wishes he had a crystal ball and had not sold in December 2014, but December 2017 when his car would have fetched north of £5K instead of just over £2000, which at the time was nearly double what he paid for it!!!

Hence my great interest in 306s. 309 GTIs were unloved in the day, but try finding one now for reasonable money. You can't.

Tried to find a Clio Williams the other day... cheapest I found on internet was £17K. 17k..... only 3 years ago they were £5K.

So I feel sure that eventually the GTI6 prices will take off and it will happen quickly without much warning.....

306 GTi6 or Clio 172/182...these will be the next 205/309s.......

I see that 306 Rallye still hasn't shifted on Ebay.... I know it looks like it needs a bit of paint and a few other bits, but £1795 seems so cheap in the context of £10K DC2 Integras and £17K Clio williams',,,,,,,

Jonny_gti

285 posts

79 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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greenarrow said:
Ha Ha, I'm a 205 GTI owner who really wishes he had a crystal ball and had not sold in December 2014, but December 2017 when his car would have fetched north of £5K instead of just over £2000, which at the time was nearly double what he paid for it!!!

Hence my great interest in 306s. 309 GTIs were unloved in the day, but try finding one now for reasonable money. You can't.

Tried to find a Clio Williams the other day... cheapest I found on internet was £17K. 17k..... only 3 years ago they were £5K.

So I feel sure that eventually the GTI6 prices will take off and it will happen quickly without much warning.....

306 GTi6 or Clio 172/182...these will be the next 205/309s.......

I see that 306 Rallye still hasn't shifted on Ebay.... I know it looks like it needs a bit of paint and a few other bits, but £1795 seems so cheap in the context of £10K DC2 Integras and £17K Clio williams',,,,,,,
I also seen that Rallye on ebay, tempting at that money since they usually go for a few k more than a gti6 already. on the clio front even the old 1.8 16v are starting to become very hard to find and when they do pop up there like 3-4k

nunpuncher

3,364 posts

124 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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There can't be that many 306GTi6's left as there are a surprising number of 205s with that engine and just about everyone with a converted 205 seems to have a spare 306GTi6 engine in storage. I saw 2 engines for sale last week for only £300

PTF

4,252 posts

223 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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nunpuncher said:
There can't be that many 306GTi6's left as there are a surprising number of 205s with that engine and just about everyone with a converted 205 seems to have a spare 306GTi6 engine in storage. I saw 2 engines for sale last week for only £300
At the last count, there are 1101 GTI-6s. The number is reducing by roughly 15-20 per quarter, so about 5-7% are disappearing per year. By the end of 2019 there will probably be less than 1000 remaining.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/peugeot_306_...

205 GTIs are much more common and the number remaining are hardly reducing at all. There have been roughly 6-7k licenced/SORN'd for the last 10 yrs

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/peugeot_205_...

zedx19

2,704 posts

139 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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There's also a lot of GTI-6's that end up scrapped due to timing belt failure. Unless you get it changed every 30-40k or every few years, it'll snap and take the valves with it. You can get them rebuilt but they all tap once rebuilt! I had the belts and waterpump changed every 30k on mine by a specialist in Leicester who did it in a few hours, top bloke. If you looking to buy one and it taps from the top end, it's been rebuilt.

MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Tuesday 25th September 2018
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zedx19 said:
There's also a lot of GTI-6's that end up scrapped due to timing belt failure. Unless you get it changed every 30-40k or every few years, it'll snap and take the valves with it. You can get them rebuilt but they all tap once rebuilt! I had the belts and waterpump changed every 30k on mine by a specialist in Leicester who did it in a few hours, top bloke. If you looking to buy one and it taps from the top end, it's been rebuilt.
Recommended interval is every 36k miles or three years. Most do it every 30k just to be safe as you've said. For a modern car 36k is low anyway!