JLR on 3 day week
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Where do you guys see the future of JLR production in the next 3 years? Slovakia can currently do 150k per year, with a capacity for 300k, which would wipe out Solihull. And they are not short of space to build.
I think combustion vehicles will move to Slovakia one by one, with Solihull becoming a launch plant for the next in line models, and also the next gen of EV, keeping it all close to Gayden/Whitley until it's all dialled in. I can see 2 shifts at Solihull in both build halls in the short term being activated soon.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them splitting Jag off while it is riding the crest of the I-Pace & F-Pace success. Who would pick the ball up & run with it? I mean, it's not a bad brand name to really focus on the next evolution of EV vehicles for someone. Jag/Tesla maybe?
I think combustion vehicles will move to Slovakia one by one, with Solihull becoming a launch plant for the next in line models, and also the next gen of EV, keeping it all close to Gayden/Whitley until it's all dialled in. I can see 2 shifts at Solihull in both build halls in the short term being activated soon.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them splitting Jag off while it is riding the crest of the I-Pace & F-Pace success. Who would pick the ball up & run with it? I mean, it's not a bad brand name to really focus on the next evolution of EV vehicles for someone. Jag/Tesla maybe?
Where do you guys see the future of JLR production in the next 3 years? Slovakia can currently do 150k per year, with a capacity for 300k, which would wipe out Solihull. And they are not short of space to build.
I think combustion vehicles will move to Slovakia one by one, with Solihull becoming a launch plant for the next in line models, and also the next gen of EV, keeping it all close to Gayden/Whitley until it's all dialled in. I can see 2 shifts at Solihull in both build halls in the short term being activated soon.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them splitting Jag off while it is riding the crest of the I-Pace & F-Pace success. Who would pick the ball up & run with it? I mean, it's not a bad brand name to really focus on the next evolution of EV vehicles for someone. Jag/Tesla maybe?
I think combustion vehicles will move to Slovakia one by one, with Solihull becoming a launch plant for the next in line models, and also the next gen of EV, keeping it all close to Gayden/Whitley until it's all dialled in. I can see 2 shifts at Solihull in both build halls in the short term being activated soon.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them splitting Jag off while it is riding the crest of the I-Pace & F-Pace success. Who would pick the ball up & run with it? I mean, it's not a bad brand name to really focus on the next evolution of EV vehicles for someone. Jag/Tesla maybe?
cptsideways said:
If they want higher build quality cars with less ongoing life costs then abroad built would be my bet, better staff for lower costs, less unionisation, I can see the Ipace & defender builds moving to either Europe or the USA where demand would be highest & profitable to sell back to Europe?
If the Jag brand was sold off I can see that being viable to a few in the USA.
Sorry but this is just bIf the Jag brand was sold off I can see that being viable to a few in the USA.
ks.In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
I own 4 JLR vehicles and a couple are due a change.
I was actively looking earlier in summer but when I saw the headlines “JLR says Brexit threatens JLRs very existence” it convinced me to wait until next year.
I bought an MG ZT just before they went bust and it went from £25k to £4K in value in months.
Once bitten, twice shy.
It’s all very well these CEO’s telling everybody how bad Brexit will be for them but sometimes keeping quiet is the sensible approach.
I also think JLR’s massive move over to diesel has also had a big impact on them.
They also don’t really seem to care much about their poor reliability reputation.
A real shame.... they used to make some amazing V8 vehicles! I know!
Long live JLR!
I was actively looking earlier in summer but when I saw the headlines “JLR says Brexit threatens JLRs very existence” it convinced me to wait until next year.
I bought an MG ZT just before they went bust and it went from £25k to £4K in value in months.
Once bitten, twice shy.
It’s all very well these CEO’s telling everybody how bad Brexit will be for them but sometimes keeping quiet is the sensible approach.
I also think JLR’s massive move over to diesel has also had a big impact on them.
They also don’t really seem to care much about their poor reliability reputation.
A real shame.... they used to make some amazing V8 vehicles! I know!
Long live JLR!
AAGR said:
And all, I would guess, because vicious, shallow-thinking, on the part of HMG has caused diesel engined vehicle sales to collapse ?
Incidentally, what happened to the launch of the new 6-cylinder Ingenium engines which we were promised more than two years ago ?
Don’t just blame HMG. It’s a Europe-wide thing. Incidentally, what happened to the launch of the new 6-cylinder Ingenium engines which we were promised more than two years ago ?
WonkeyDonkey said:
cptsideways said:
If they want higher build quality cars with less ongoing life costs then abroad built would be my bet, better staff for lower costs, less unionisation, I can see the Ipace & defender builds moving to either Europe or the USA where demand would be highest & profitable to sell back to Europe?
If the Jag brand was sold off I can see that being viable to a few in the USA.
Sorry but this is just bIf the Jag brand was sold off I can see that being viable to a few in the USA.
ks.In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
I don't want to knock the UK, we have fantastic design & engineering teams, but we have to wake up & realise that plants are not competitive compared to so many other places. Though Nissan Sunderland is 3rd in the global quality stakes amongst the Nissan Alliance plants out of 25odd (quality being faults that show up within 3 years) their Dongfeng plants win that one by a mile.
https://www.ft.com/content/0a9ba710-62f7-11e7-8814...
wilwak said:
I also think JLR’s massive move over to diesel has also had a big impact on them.
A real shame.... they used to make some amazing V8 vehicles! I know!
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This keeps coming up and it must have passed me by.A real shame.... they used to make some amazing V8 vehicles! I know!
!
What year was JLR's massive move to diesel?
After the replacement of the old 2.2 engines with the 2.0 Ingenium Diesels in 2015 I can't recall any new diesels being introduced, only a range of Ingenium Petrols from 200-300PS in 2016, hybrid Range Rovers and all electric models.
And the V8 lives on in models where there is any semblance of demand for it.
Wooda80 said:
wilwak said:
I also think JLR’s massive move over to diesel has also had a big impact on them.
A real shame.... they used to make some amazing V8 vehicles! I know!
!
This keeps coming up and it must have passed me by.A real shame.... they used to make some amazing V8 vehicles! I know!
!
What year was JLR's massive move to diesel?
After the replacement of the old 2.2 engines with the 2.0 Ingenium Diesels in 2015 I can't recall any new diesels being introduced, only a range of Ingenium Petrols from 200-300PS in 2016, hybrid Range Rovers and all electric models.
And the V8 lives on in models where there is any semblance of demand for it.
Maybe it is more correct to say that JLR is reliant on a market where diesel is the preferred choice and are therefore suffering.
WonkeyDonkey said:
Sorry but this is just bks.
In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
Unions only teach people that they are owed a living. If you don’t like the job, resign and go somewhere else. The employer will soon get the message. Holding them to ransom like unions doesn’t end well. ks.In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
fatboy b said:
Unions only teach people that they are owed a living. If you don’t like the job, resign and go somewhere else. The employer will soon get the message. Holding them to ransom like unions doesn’t end well.
Unions have good and bad points. I for one believe that peoole who work in them should only do so for fixed periods then go back to the day job so to speak. I know in the NHS they do some great work, but then somwtimes they create just to be busy. The whole no wage rise for ten years line is a belter. With a wife in the NHS and having worked there myself I know that's s
te but doesn't fit a narrative. The unions work when they represent their members, not like how Mr Mcklusky wants it where he uses them for his own gain
The problem JLR have is they are priced high and depreciate a lot so I'm a era where PCP is king they are often not price competitive
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 9th December 15:17
WonkeyDonkey said:
Sorry but this is just bks.
In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
I think many would disagree with just about everything you’ve written here.ks.In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
Wooda80 said:
This keeps coming up and it must have passed me by.
What year was JLR's massive move to diesel?
Seriously? The 2005 introduction of a diesel XJ was a massive step and since then if you look at production of the XJ (both that generation and the current) and the XF how many of them sold were petrol? This is before even the ingenium engines were ever even a glint in the designers eye What year was JLR's massive move to diesel?
WonkeyDonkey said:
Sorry but this is just bks.
In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
You're wasting your time defending JLR or its workforce on here. ks.In what way would you get 'better' staff?
Cheaper staff, then yes. I would be surprised if the level of education is better in Slovakia.
People love to think that all production workers are lazy thickos but that is just tosh. There may be a few but all the ones I know are intelligent and hard working.
To complete 3+ jobs in around a minute before the next car comes along isn't something for layabouts.
Unionisation is why workers get a decent wage. Compare that to Slovakia where it's reported the yearly wage will be £8k pa.
As reported by someone else in this thread the iPace was subcontracted to Magna Steyr because JLR's plants were at maximum capacity a few years back. If JLR had predicted this downturn then I doubt they would have done this.
I really don't understand why so many UK citizens have such little faith in their country. We build world class products, have world class engineers and creative people.
The heritage of Land Rover and their Defender should be cherished, not belittled and hoped that production moved to another country or continent.
craigjm said:
Wooda80 said:
This keeps coming up and it must have passed me by.
What year was JLR's massive move to diesel?
Seriously? The 2005 introduction of a diesel XJ was a massive step and since then if you look at production of the XJ (both that generation and the current) and the XF how many of them sold were petrol? This is before even the ingenium engines were ever even a glint in the designers eye What year was JLR's massive move to diesel?
(ETA, might even have been 2003 for X-Type and 2004 for S-Type / XJ )
The "massive move to diesel" was 13 years ago, ancient history and 3 years before the massive positive change in JLR's fortunes following its sale to Tata. This supposed reliance on diesel engines can hardly be the reason for JLR's downturn in 2018, especially now that every model is available with a range of petrol engines unavailable 3 years ago.
Edited by Wooda80 on Sunday 9th December 19:10
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