JLR on 3 day week
Discussion
sapf0 said:
I hear they having a large ‘middle management’ cull in Solihull.
Did anybody see the ‘bomb vest’ incident in the media recently? I’m told from someone connected to it that it was allegedly a Secret Santa, and an Indian lad ended up with a mock up bomb vest. I’m told nobody involved took offence, as the other presents where allegedly along the lines of ‘industrial banter’ between mates. It’s alleged that 1 bloke not connected, did tell people he was offended by this, but nothing was done, so now 2 senior managers among others have been suspended. I am also aware of a woman allegedly filing sexual harassment claims against a colleague which have also gone ignored, and now she has been ‘released’ as she’s an agency contractor.
The place is a bloody mess at all levels it seems.
don't let the JLR rumour mill suck you in... Did anybody see the ‘bomb vest’ incident in the media recently? I’m told from someone connected to it that it was allegedly a Secret Santa, and an Indian lad ended up with a mock up bomb vest. I’m told nobody involved took offence, as the other presents where allegedly along the lines of ‘industrial banter’ between mates. It’s alleged that 1 bloke not connected, did tell people he was offended by this, but nothing was done, so now 2 senior managers among others have been suspended. I am also aware of a woman allegedly filing sexual harassment claims against a colleague which have also gone ignored, and now she has been ‘released’ as she’s an agency contractor.
The place is a bloody mess at all levels it seems.
Steviesam said:
Friends of mine who work on the Gaydon site have been offered VERY attractive voluntary redundancy packages.
Its a bit unusual since some of them work in a dept that is usually never offered this kind of thing.
My mate who works there brought an I-Pace round to show me last night. He drove - it was one of the prototypes - but even from the passenger seat, there's a lot to be impressed with. IMHO this may be exactly the right product and technology, at exactly the right time for JLR. I do hope so.Its a bit unusual since some of them work in a dept that is usually never offered this kind of thing.
Sford said:
It's almost like JLR are run by the government with overspends and missed timelines.
The infection from BMC is like herpes, it never really goes and can break out at any time. Ford, Tata, BMW, Honda, all of them tried to fix the infected spawn of BMC and failed. Leyland was a successful company until BMC infected that.havoc said:
sapf0 said:
The place is a bloody mess at all levels it seems.
Although to be fair a lot of 'old school' manufacturing is still the same...cultures die hard, it seems...
iSore said:
BMC built cars that people flocked to buy however.
They just forgot to run the business properly!
That iPace does seem an interesting thing.
I don't know. Subjectively it's looks are a bit meh. I didn't think there was loads of room inside either. I know they're trying to be some of the first to market but is this going to mean that the just polish the corners with a facelift while the other manufacturers with bigger budgets bring out more advanced models slightly later in the game? More modern technology advances at a faster pace each time. Is this going to be the case with cars? Are product lifecycles going to need to be quicker? They just forgot to run the business properly!
That iPace does seem an interesting thing.
For it to really help the brand as a future model they need to sell units. Just my opinion but it needs to start at a lower price for greater uptake and I can't see that happening with early/first issues of new technology. Will it be a case of all the eggs in one basket, resting on the one model or will they diversify and actually bring to market the electric other models?
Jazzy Jag said:
AAGR said:
And a very happy UN-birthday to news about the six-cylinder engines we have been promised so often, and for so long. What on earth is happening .... ?
3.0 straight six with electric supercharger and mahoosive turbocharger. Looked over it earlier this week
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PurpleTurtle said:
Without lazily saying “old man’s car” I’m struggling to see what Jaguar’s customer base is other than that. I’m 46 but I feel my mates would make jokes about golf club membership and retirement if I bought one.
What is the average age of a Jaguar driver these days?
The Germans have all gone for model range diversification, the 1 to the 7 Series, the A1 to the A8 and SUVs in between. Whenever I see an A1 it’s got a hot to trot young blonde at the wheel, Audi have successfully widened their customer profile.
Jaguar: some saloons, an SUV and a nice roadster. Anyone under 45 buying them?
My argument exactly. Aside from, possibly, an SUV, there is nothing in the range that doesn't shout 65yrs +What is the average age of a Jaguar driver these days?
The Germans have all gone for model range diversification, the 1 to the 7 Series, the A1 to the A8 and SUVs in between. Whenever I see an A1 it’s got a hot to trot young blonde at the wheel, Audi have successfully widened their customer profile.
Jaguar: some saloons, an SUV and a nice roadster. Anyone under 45 buying them?
Ares said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Without lazily saying “old man’s car” I’m struggling to see what Jaguar’s customer base is other than that. I’m 46 but I feel my mates would make jokes about golf club membership and retirement if I bought one.
What is the average age of a Jaguar driver these days?
The Germans have all gone for model range diversification, the 1 to the 7 Series, the A1 to the A8 and SUVs in between. Whenever I see an A1 it’s got a hot to trot young blonde at the wheel, Audi have successfully widened their customer profile.
Jaguar: some saloons, an SUV and a nice roadster. Anyone under 45 buying them?
My argument exactly. Aside from, possibly, an SUV, there is nothing in the range that doesn't shout 65yrs +What is the average age of a Jaguar driver these days?
The Germans have all gone for model range diversification, the 1 to the 7 Series, the A1 to the A8 and SUVs in between. Whenever I see an A1 it’s got a hot to trot young blonde at the wheel, Audi have successfully widened their customer profile.
Jaguar: some saloons, an SUV and a nice roadster. Anyone under 45 buying them?
They need XE and XF SVR cars to compete with M and AMG, they need coupe and convertible versions of these cars too because saloons are dead.
The F-type is far too heavy to really compete for 911 customers and they have nothing in the Cayman Boxster space so that’s not going to attract the younger buyer
The Pace models are just cannabalising sales from themselves on the LR arm and the I Pace is more of a Land Rover than most people realise.
To attract the younger buyers they need to improve their engines that don’t appeal to young people or business at the moment (no hybrid or plug in). They need the derivatives above and they need to think about creating a car under the XE and a smaller sports car.
Problem is that they don’t have the chassis for a small car or a sports car and they don’t have the engines to make SVR versions of those that they do.
Seanseansean said:
I think they definitely need a bmw 240I/Golf R/Tyre R equivalent to get some younger buyers.
I know most people my age (26) that really like the JLR brand but don’t want a SUV or saloon.
They need the 3 litre 6 pot engine to arrive that’s been promised for so long then build a 1 series / A class type car and stick it in that with a supercharger. I know most people my age (26) that really like the JLR brand but don’t want a SUV or saloon.
If has been running the joint I think I would have been brave and built a car like that and canned the XJ that’s only ever going to sell in small numbers these days
craigjm said:
Back in 2008 the average age of a new car customer was 63 according to their figures. Tata have aimed to lower this and have done so but the average is now around 52.
They need XE and XF SVR cars to compete with M and AMG, they need coupe and convertible versions of these cars too because saloons are dead.
The F-type is far too heavy to really compete for 911 customers and they have nothing in the Cayman Boxster space so that’s not going to attract the younger buyer
The Pace models are just cannabalising sales from themselves on the LR arm and the I Pace is more of a Land Rover than most people realise.
To attract the younger buyers they need to improve their engines that don’t appeal to young people or business at the moment (no hybrid or plug in). They need the derivatives above and they need to think about creating a car under the XE and a smaller sports car.
Problem is that they don’t have the chassis for a small car or a sports car and they don’t have the engines to make SVR versions of those that they do.
Saloon cars aren't dead. They just don't have any attractive saloon cars, nor any production saloon halo models, nor even a warm model.They need XE and XF SVR cars to compete with M and AMG, they need coupe and convertible versions of these cars too because saloons are dead.
The F-type is far too heavy to really compete for 911 customers and they have nothing in the Cayman Boxster space so that’s not going to attract the younger buyer
The Pace models are just cannabalising sales from themselves on the LR arm and the I Pace is more of a Land Rover than most people realise.
To attract the younger buyers they need to improve their engines that don’t appeal to young people or business at the moment (no hybrid or plug in). They need the derivatives above and they need to think about creating a car under the XE and a smaller sports car.
Problem is that they don’t have the chassis for a small car or a sports car and they don’t have the engines to make SVR versions of those that they do.
Ares said:
craigjm said:
Back in 2008 the average age of a new car customer was 63 according to their figures. Tata have aimed to lower this and have done so but the average is now around 52.
They need XE and XF SVR cars to compete with M and AMG, they need coupe and convertible versions of these cars too because saloons are dead.
The F-type is far too heavy to really compete for 911 customers and they have nothing in the Cayman Boxster space so that’s not going to attract the younger buyer
The Pace models are just cannabalising sales from themselves on the LR arm and the I Pace is more of a Land Rover than most people realise.
To attract the younger buyers they need to improve their engines that don’t appeal to young people or business at the moment (no hybrid or plug in). They need the derivatives above and they need to think about creating a car under the XE and a smaller sports car.
Problem is that they don’t have the chassis for a small car or a sports car and they don’t have the engines to make SVR versions of those that they do.
Saloon cars aren't dead. They just don't have any attractive saloon cars, nor any production saloon halo models, nor even a warm model.They need XE and XF SVR cars to compete with M and AMG, they need coupe and convertible versions of these cars too because saloons are dead.
The F-type is far too heavy to really compete for 911 customers and they have nothing in the Cayman Boxster space so that’s not going to attract the younger buyer
The Pace models are just cannabalising sales from themselves on the LR arm and the I Pace is more of a Land Rover than most people realise.
To attract the younger buyers they need to improve their engines that don’t appeal to young people or business at the moment (no hybrid or plug in). They need the derivatives above and they need to think about creating a car under the XE and a smaller sports car.
Problem is that they don’t have the chassis for a small car or a sports car and they don’t have the engines to make SVR versions of those that they do.
Globally, across all manufacturers, saloon cars are dead. In fact cars in general are on their last legs. SUVs are the only growth market.
The braver manufacturers are cutting their car ranges and focusing on what will sell, and despite what car lovers want, big engines with manual gearboxes in saloon cars, the people who are actually buying cars want SUVs with small efficient engines. I can’t blame JLR for catering to this in the same way all other manufacturers are. And performance halo cars don’t sell cars any more, efficient ones with modern technology do. At least for the next ten to twenty years. And even then, the numbers of people actually purchasing cars is going to continue to fall. Most of the under 30s I work with regard car ownership as a negative and have no desire to own one. Subscription services and the likes of Uber and Lyft are the choice of the young person.
And that’s before we even get close to the electric and autonomous debates.
The braver manufacturers are cutting their car ranges and focusing on what will sell, and despite what car lovers want, big engines with manual gearboxes in saloon cars, the people who are actually buying cars want SUVs with small efficient engines. I can’t blame JLR for catering to this in the same way all other manufacturers are. And performance halo cars don’t sell cars any more, efficient ones with modern technology do. At least for the next ten to twenty years. And even then, the numbers of people actually purchasing cars is going to continue to fall. Most of the under 30s I work with regard car ownership as a negative and have no desire to own one. Subscription services and the likes of Uber and Lyft are the choice of the young person.
And that’s before we even get close to the electric and autonomous debates.
Olivera said:
craigjm said:
The F-type is far too heavy to really compete for 911 customers
The new 992 Carrera 2S PDK unladen (EU) weight is 1590kg. The F-Type R Dynamic P380 auto book figure is 1594kg.Seanseansean said:
I think they definitely need a bmw 240I/Golf R/Tyre R equivalent to get some younger buyers.
I know most people my age (26) that really like the JLR brand but don’t want a SUV or saloon.
The question there is whether they would be able to drive enough incremental sales to make all the research and production changes worthwhile. It is already a pretty busy market place adding in the A35 amg and the S3 saloon or sportback.I know most people my age (26) that really like the JLR brand but don’t want a SUV or saloon.
Then you have to consider whether it would cannibalise some of the sales from their bigger cars. Are they set up to do it?
It must work for some brands of course because BMW, Merc and Audi all have a ridiculous number of cars. Remember when BMW did 3, 5 and 7. So you got a 3 series if you didnt want a big expensive saloon. Now you have the 2,3 and 4 saloon types. Audi the same with the A3 saloon, A4 and A5.
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