JLR on 3 day week

[Digga]

NomduJour said:

https://media.landrover.com/news/2019/02/new-range...

Thanks.

And fk me! That's a straight six?!? Looks unbelievably boxy. Must be all the electrical and emissions gubbins I guess?



Good luck to them anyway.

[craigjm]

All the ingenium engines are straight because they are modular and therefore the 4 has just been extended to a 6 and it will be chopped to a 3 as well.

[Sheepshanks]

havoc said:

Halewood was a really pleasant surprise, given the bad rep Scousers tend to get...

Halewood isn't in Liverpool.

[Tom_Spotley_When]

Sheepshanks said:

Halewood isn't in Liverpool.

It might as well be. It's in Speke and has a Liverpool postcode....

[Sheepshanks]

Tom_Spotley_When said:

Sheepshanks said:

Halewood isn't in Liverpool.

It might as well be. It's in Speke and has a Liverpool postcode....

Nope. It's in Halewood.

It's in the Liverpool postal area, but then so was Southport until they won their campaign to get it changed.

I don't suppose there are statistics published, but I'd be gobsmacked if Scousers aren't in the minority there.

[Digga]

Sheepshanks said:

Tom_Spotley_When said:

Sheepshanks said:

Halewood isn't in Liverpool.

It might as well be. It's in Speke and has a Liverpool postcode....

Nope. It's in Halewood.

It's in the Liverpool postal area, but then so was Southport until they won their campaign to get it changed.

I don't suppose there are statistics published, but I'd be gobsmacked if Scousers aren't in the minority there.

Outnumbered by the Hezbollah?

[Sheepshanks]

Digga said:

Outnumbered by the Hezbollah?

...otherwise known as woolybacks.

[bobtail4x4]

we visited the other year,
it was mainly full of scousers,

[Digga]

A.G. said:

Wife's from there and it is indeed mainly full of scousers.

And my mate from Cannock.

[craigjm]

bobtail4x4 said:

we visited the other year,
it was mainly full of scousers,

What most people think of as a scouser and what a scouser really is though are two different things. It’s a bit like being born in east London does not necessarily make you a cockney

[TarquinMX5]

Digga said:

A.G. said:

Wife's from there and it is indeed mainly full of scousers.

And my mate from Cannock.

And my mate's from Guildford

[Bodo]

Here's an alternative analysis of JLR's "challenging market conditions in China" -

It says the luxury car market rose 8%, while the general market fell for the first time in 28 years. JLR's competitors, including Lexus, Volvo, Audi, Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW increased their sales in the same period...

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/jaguar-land...

Edited by Bodo on Friday 15th February 17:19

[Fire99]

Bodo said:

Here's an alternative analysis of JLR's "challenging market conditions in China" -

It says the luxury car market rose 8%, while the general market fell for the first time in 28 years. JLR's competitors, including Lexus, Volvo, Audi, Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW increased their sales in the same period...

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/jaguar-land...

And the bottom line is this really is where the issue lies. JLR still aren't making them properly. Until they get their own house in order, they can't point the blame at any other 'challenging conditions'. I personally think some of their products are very stylish but this isn't good enough as a purchasing proposition.

[iSore]

I saw not one but three LR products on the back of AA lorries on the M1 yesterday, one being a black 68 plate full fat Range Rover.
Someone else mentioned underbody/chassis corrosion on F Types as well and googling to reveals that yes, they can rust like a bean can.

The plight of the X Type seems to mirror that of the XE as well:

https://www.aronline.co.uk/cars/jaguar/x-type/

[havoc]

Bodo said:

Here's an alternative analysis of JLR's "challenging market conditions in China" -

It says the luxury car market rose 8%, while the general market fell for the first time in 28 years. JLR's competitors, including Lexus, Volvo, Audi, Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW increased their sales in the same period...

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/jaguar-land...

The thing is, while SOME people in China will pay for an import, to be seen to be driving an import (classic Veblen good), more people won't want to pay the punitive import taxes...which is why JLR desperately need a JV partner over there to facilitate local build.

They're a good few years behind the competition...as always!

[craigjm]

havoc said:

Bodo said:

Here's an alternative analysis of JLR's "challenging market conditions in China" -

It says the luxury car market rose 8%, while the general market fell for the first time in 28 years. JLR's competitors, including Lexus, Volvo, Audi, Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW increased their sales in the same period...

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/jaguar-land...

The thing is, while SOME people in China will pay for an import, to be seen to be driving an import (classic Veblen good), more people won't want to pay the punitive import taxes...which is why JLR desperately need a JV partner over there to facilitate local build.

They're a good few years behind the competition...as always!

What are you talking about? They have been doing that through a joint venture with Chery for 7 years

[havoc]

craigjm said:

What are you talking about? They have been doing that through a joint venture with Chery for 7 years

OK, fair point...I'd managed to forget that was actually working - when I was working for a Tier-1 a few years ago (probably 2015) they were talking about the development of X261 for launch in the market and they were still having teething troubles with the D8 vehicles.

..and whilst it may have been established since 2012 I don't think they've been building for that long - quick googling shows the plant officially opening in Oct-14, and they'd delivered <100k cars to end-2016.

Compare to the BMW JV established in 2003 and VAG (1984). JLR have been playing catch-up in one of their biggest markets for decades...

[sapf0]

The wealthy Chinese wont be buying anything made by Chery a Chinese businessman once told me,


There is pressure on the tracks to keep it moving at all costs due to managers bonuses structured on volume. You are supposed to pull the line up via an "Andon", to rectify a potential problem that can be dealt with there and then, but I'm told this is frowned upon by management, hence the lads are in a catch 22, and cars end up being ripped apart later on to fix a small problem. This is usually done by some bloke doing overtime on a weekend, and is not signed off, and there is no traceability.

LR is still very much a 20th century operation on many levels.

[sapf0]

Does anybody think JLR will scoop up Aston Martin?

They mentioned acquiring another luxury brand a while back.

It’s location is ideal at Gaydon

They could build at Castle Brom

They could merge many departments

Those Indians do love an Iconic British Brand

[craigjm]

There are articles circulating last few days suggesting that the chairman of PSA has suggested they would be interested in JLR