JLR on 3 day week

[sapf0]

Fast Bug said:

Going slightly off topic, JLR's advertising on the radio has been shocking over the past few years.

"No I don't like popular vehicles, that's why I bought a Jaguar" cue engine revving

Now the Evoke ad is about discovering Birmingham? Who on earth approved those needs shooting!

The Evoke would be discovering Birmingham too, seeing as thought it is build in Halewood.


Thew 2022 RR has some sort of double rear door you can open and have a party with I hear.....

[legless]

vdn said:

I thought, but might be wrong, that PSA already made engines for the LR range pre the self made Ingenium line. And of course the Ford born units like the 2.2. My Discovery engine, I think, is PSA.

The pre-Ingenium 2.2 diesel is a PSA DW12 (although, to complicate things, the 2.2 used in the X-Type and Defender was a Ford engine)

The 2.7 and 3.0 V6 diesel is a Ford engine, although it's been used by PSA in the past.

[craigjm]

legless said:

vdn said:

The 2.7 and 3.0 V6 diesel is a Ford engine, although it's been used by PSA in the past.

It’s not a Ford engine it was co-developed with Peugeot but they were all built by ford. They were even called Lion engines

[legless]

craigjm said:

legless said:

vdn said:

The 2.7 and 3.0 V6 diesel is a Ford engine, although it's been used by PSA in the past.

It’s not a Ford engine it was co-developed with Peugeot but they were all built by ford. They were even called Lion engines

I was on the development team for the Lion engine in the early 2000s at Dunton, Aachen and Merkenich. I can assure you that it's a Ford engine

The Lion name had nothing to do with the PSA Lion. All of the Ford-led diesel engines had cat names - Puma, Lynx and Lion.

It was shared with PSA under the joint venture agreement, but PSA's input was limited to supplying some packaging constraints for the transverse installation version.

[Nickbrapp]

Fast Bug said:

Lots of manufacturers offer long wheelbase versions for other markets (mainly China). They won't offer them here as it could affect the upsell in the range. Not enough room in an A4? Buy the A6 etc etc

Going slightly off topic, JLR's advertising on the radio has been shocking over the past few years.

"No I don't like popular vehicles, that's why I bought a Jaguar" cue engine revving

Now the Evoke ad is about discovering Birmingham? Who on earth approved those needs shooting!

Their marketing is a load of crap



What exactly is not ordinary about a generic looking saloon with a 2.0 Diesel engine? The only thing that’s unique is a crap infotainment system and crap reliability

[vdn]

legless said:

craigjm said:

legless said:

vdn said:

The 2.7 and 3.0 V6 diesel is a Ford engine, although it's been used by PSA in the past.

It’s not a Ford engine it was co-developed with Peugeot but they were all built by ford. They were even called Lion engines

I was on the development team for the Lion engine in the early 2000s at Dunton, Aachen and Merkenich. I can assure you that it's a Ford engine

The Lion name had nothing to do with the PSA Lion. All of the Ford-led diesel engines had cat names - Puma, Lynx and Lion.

It was shared with PSA under the joint venture agreement, but PSA's input was limited to supplying some packaging constraints for the transverse installation version.

Despite my original quote being mixed up; interesting; glad to know more

[b0rk]

anonymous said:

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China is more complex than a simple hatches don't sell. As whilst big cars and SUV's are the most popular, VW, BMW and Mercedes still shift a lot of small hatches and/or cars based on their small hatch platforms. The biggest seller for VW is the Tiguan which is basically a Golf SUV for BMW after 5L & 3L comes the X1, Mercedes are similar with the GLA being their fourth biggest seller after CL, EL and GLC.

The problem for JLR is developing a small car platform is really expensive as you can't just downsize a large car.

[PartsMonkey]

Flumpo said:

craigjm said:

Cold said:

Perhaps Jaguar should stick with making the SUV and sports car in both petrol and electric guise and drop the saloons? Works for Porsche.

Personally I think the Jaguar range should be -

Small A class type hatch with an SVO 3.0 version
combined XE/XF type car in saloon, coupe and convertible
F-type replacement positioned as a Cayman Boxster rival
XJ saloon in swb XJR form with petrol engine and electric assistance
XJ LWB saloon in autobiography trim only and electric only
A new GT car to compete with Aston and Bentley

Leave the SUV’s to Land Rover and use the Land Rover volume and profits to fund it

Why would any business owner want to use the profits from one set of products to fund another that no one wanted or were loss making?

The only time this would happen is if it was a small vanity product or halo. But I can’t see anyone saying let’s use lr products to fund a whole jag range.

Is there even enough profit in lr to fund the range of jags you want to see?

Land Rover are used to it. Their profits were diverted into Rover to prop them up from launch in 1948 until BMW stepped in. That's why the Range Rover was a two door for the first decade and took 24 years to replace. It's why Discovery 1 was a parts bin special. It's why the Disco 2 has Disco 1 headlights with the inside painted black.

[lowdrag]

Having followed Jaguar for nearly fifty years I've seen good, bad and shocking times, and I have only bought one new one, and X300 sport, in all that time. It lasted 10 months, spending half that time in the dealership, had three sets of wheels because the lacquer fell off at an alarming rate, and it cost me a lot of lost time and inconvenience. Windows going down and refusing to close, constant gearbox warnings, front suspension breaking, and so on. I still own two (very old) Jaguars, but I'm afraid that having spent just £4,000 in repairs on three German cars of the same make over 23 years and nearly 500,000 miles I certainly wouldn't risk another Jaguar. I follow the JDC forum on Facebook, and all I seem to read is a litany of problems (especially electric/electronic) and tales of appalling - and very expensive - servicing. Changing the battery every three years? Good god, my last car was on the same battery after 13 years, and over 23 years and three cars I've never had to change one. Yet Jaguar owners seem to just suck up the problems, eye-watering costs and inconveniences. Masochism rules it seems. Would that it were not so. And as for shooting themselves in the foot, why oh why is there no small estate?

[craigjm]

lowdrag said:

I follow the JDC forum on Facebook

[Jazzy Jag]

craigjm said:

lowdrag said:

I follow the JDC forum on Facebook

also

[craigjm]

Jazzy Jag said:

craigjm said:

lowdrag said:

I follow the JDC forum on Facebook

also

I know who low drag is but now I’m wondering who is Jazzy Jag over there

[Jazzy Jag]

craigjm said:

Jazzy Jag said:

craigjm said:

lowdrag said:

I follow the JDC forum on Facebook

also

I know who low drag is but now I’m wondering who is Jazzy Jag over there

I'm not a regular contributor but lurk out of morbid curiosity after my encounter with my 2 XEs, before turning to the dark side with Disco Sports.

I have to say that the Disco sport page of FB completely fried my brain.

Everyone is a committed mentalist and Technical expert in their own mind.

[Sford]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/15/j...

Sounds like it isn't a thing. Unless they are just outright lying in which case won't that cause more damage?

[EarlofDrift]

Nickbrapp said:

Fast Bug said:

Lots of manufacturers offer long wheelbase versions for other markets (mainly China). They won't offer them here as it could affect the upsell in the range. Not enough room in an A4? Buy the A6 etc etc

Going slightly off topic, JLR's advertising on the radio has been shocking over the past few years.

"No I don't like popular vehicles, that's why I bought a Jaguar" cue engine revving

Now the Evoke ad is about discovering Birmingham? Who on earth approved those needs shooting!

Their marketing is a load of crap



What exactly is not ordinary about a generic looking saloon with a 2.0 Diesel engine? The only thing that’s unique is a crap infotainment system and crap reliability

I think it's a class case if your repeat it too many times you'll start to believe it's true. I imagine JLR head office is as pretentious and plum mouthed as their dealerships.

[Jazzy Jag]

EarlofDrift said:

I think it's a class case if your repeat it too many times you'll start to believe it's true. I imagine JLR head office is as pretentious and plum mouthed as their dealerships.

Not plumb mouthed, but delusional and disconnected.

[lowdrag]

Try talking to the classic division. Mostly under forty, but know everything about the history of Jaguar and their classics - not. I mean, electronic rev counters in a 1957 XKSS?

[Sheepshanks]

lowdrag said:

Changing the battery every three years? Good god, my last car was on the same battery after 13 years, and over 23 years and three cars I've never had to change one.

That comes up all the time on recent VAG cars - and many struggle to to get it covered by warranty.

[Digga]

Sheepshanks said:

lowdrag said:

Changing the battery every three years? Good god, my last car was on the same battery after 13 years, and over 23 years and three cars I've never had to change one.

That comes up all the time on recent VAG cars - and many struggle to to get it covered by warranty.

^This. Had a new VW last May and battery died while the vehicle was parked up over Christmas/New Year. There was a faulty batch.

The ste useless auto stop-start thing fluffs about 1 in 10 startups where there's any sort of hill start involved. The fly-by-wire-my-arse throttle pedal is, effectively, dead and the thing just stalls.

[lowdrag]

Thanks, because I was looking at changing to a Skoda; not because the C200 is past it (indeed just run in at 125,000) but because after 25 years I was getting bored with the same make. SWMBO has had her Toyota 12 years without a hitch and wants my estate for the automatic box, the comfort and her golf kit, so she can keep that and I'll toddle off to Germany and buy another used car as I always do. Far cheaper there.