RE: Renaultsport Clio 182: PH Fleet

RE: Renaultsport Clio 182: PH Fleet

Friday 21st September 2018

Renaultsport Clio 182: PH Fleet

A wheel refurb and new rubber has given our long-legged Clio a new lease of life



If you travelled back to 2011 and told my undergraduate self that the 182 I had just bought would pull, handle and look better seven years later, I would have told you to get lost and gone back to bed. How can a car which has accrued 50,000 miles and six track days improve with age? Especially given that it entered my life in such good condition to start with. Yet here we are in autumn 2018 faced with a freshly spruced up 182 that proves miles and hard driving needn’t always be of concern. Age has done this car good. Well, it has if you stand about five feet away.

It won’t take a Spot the Difference champ to notice that this French Racing Blue hatch’s image improvement comes thanks to a set of silver Speedline Turinis that, unlike the stone-chipped front bumper, look as immaculate up close as they do in the pictures. They are the same 16-inch wheels as the dull, rattle can-painted black ones the car first arrived at PH with – promise – except they’ve been completely refurbished with welding and a powder coat paint finish. And even if I do say so myself, the new rims - which will soon receive new centre caps to match - have taken years off the car.


Just Wheel Repair (a company that offers its services in London, Hertfordshire and Essex) is responsible for the excellent work, which included picking up the wheels from my flat and taking them back to its Colchester facility for intensive surgery. If we’re honest, I had done a terrible job of looking after the wheels, so they were covered in corrosion and lots of metal reactions from a poor previous refurbishment (yes, it was my first time). The wheels therefore needed to be dipped and stripped in a chemical tank before being sandblasted so the bare alloy was revealed. It was only then that the refurb work could begin.

Some wheels just need a quick sand down before primer is applied, but these had deep scars and chunks missing from their edges, so it’s fair to say they needed a hell of a lot of work (sorry guys). After some welding and reshaping, they were once again round, although the team at Just Wheel Repair, lead by boss Paul Parker and head painter Tom Henry, had to apply twice the normal amount of powder coat primer with plenty of hand sanding in between, to ensure the pinholes from corrosion were fully removed, before painting could start. After baking in an oven the wheels were then powder coated in silver, a colour I had chosen because I liked the clean look it creates and figured this shade was second only to white (not a wheel colour I’d dare to try again!) for bringing out the brightness of the blue bodywork. The silver is brilliantly bright, but I think it’s the clear glass acrylic lacquer that really sets the car off.


Lawd is the finish lovely. It’s smoother than a Baileys on the Rocks. I’d eat my dinner off the 11 spokes. Pleasingly the new colour has – through illusion – helped to ‘shrink’ the wheel arch gaps (which will remain as they are because I love the way the car handles in this setting on its Bilstein B14s). And unexpectedly, the silver has also made the negative two-degree camber more noticeable so the car looks properly racey. I’ve caught myself smiling as I walk up to its wide-eyed face on more than one occasion.

It’s like all my Christmasses have come at once because on top of the refurbishment I’d also asked JWR to fit a new set of Dunlop Sport Maxxs (that I’d supplied) before refitting the wheels to the car. Although there were still a couple of millimetres of usable tread left in the Michelin Pilot Sport 3s that had come off, the old rubber was well past its best, what with having endured four years of road use and two track days. New wheels, new rubber - and wow, what a transformation.


No healthy 182 has ever naturally understeered but the worn and tired PS3s (which were fantastic when new, I hasten to add) had certainly caused my car to lose its bite. With these Sport Maxxs on, each emitting that lovely new rubber smell from within the wheel arches, the front end feels substantially more eager and responsive. It’s shifted the car’s balance of mechanical grip back to the middle so it rotates on an invisible pivot just over my left shoulder. Flick the car towards an apex and it’ll gnaw into the tarmac like a terrier, dragging its tail around with hilarious results. The negative two-degree front camber enabled by the Bilstein B14 coilovers has definitely helped to some degree (literally), but the new Dunlops have undoubtedly unlocked the car’s full, darty potential.

What else? Traction is also improved so you can power out of bends with that satisfying feeling of rubber digging into road right at the limit of adhesion. And the brakes can now work more effectively without intrusion from the ABS. Heck, I think I’ve even beaten my previous record for economy on the new shoes by recording a trip computer indicated 45mpg, albeit on a late drive along an empty dual carriageway when the engine had a cool supply of night time air to drink in.


The car’s transformation happily coincided with the last few days of sunny summer weather, during which time I went out for a drive with a friend and his lightly modified 182 along the most technical B-roads that we could find in Hertfordshire. Maybe it was the caffeine from my morning coffee or the warm country air clearing my lungs, but the pleasure I took from charging over the crests, dips and cambers of those roads, in my own car, which handled so sweetly and felt so bloody fast (it genuinely feels like a car capable of a six-second sprint to 60mph now) was comparable only to driving the most exotic of supercars. To some those will sound like the words of a madman journalist dosed on ownership bias, but to others it will be a familiar emotion. Either way, this is what the 182 is about to me: driving for the enjoyment of driving.

Thing is, like a substance addict I’m now craving more. I want an even more intense high from behind the wheel in the 182. I’ve tried to resist but the URL links to pages selling front strut braces and rear anti-roll bars have wormed their way into my web browser’s bookmarks. More on that another time…


FACT SHEET
Car:
2004 Renault Clio Renaultsport 182
Run by: Sam Sheehan
Bought: May 2011
Mileage at purchase: 74,457
Mileage now: 125,430
Last month at a glance: New shoes have had a tremendous effect on handling – and in turn, Sam’s affection for his 14-year-old Clio.

Previous reports:
PH welcomes another hot Clio

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Maldini35

Original Poster:

2,913 posts

188 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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The fresh wheels look great!
I’ve just done mine too.
These cars really get under your skin.
There’s nothing at this price point than can match them for thrills.

greenarrow

3,587 posts

117 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Reading this report makes me ask the question "have hot hatches really improved in ways that matter since 2004".... sure the turbocharged power of the new ones makes them faster in the real world, but mostly, they're bigger, heavier and real world thirstier, more grown up and less nimble on the back roads that the old school hot hatches were built for. Can any of the new turbo hatches do 45 MPG on a run? I'd be interested to know. Fiesta ST maybe. Hyper hatches? Not a chance!

The Clio 182 is a perfect marriage of the small, light and playful qualities present in the 80s and 90s hot hatch icons with the modern day driveability and user friendliness of the newer cars. Keep thinking I must own one before this is another ship that sales, price wise. They surely wont get any cheaper than they are now...

T31WRC

12 posts

145 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Just having the Turini's on my oran..sorry ( Inferno ) 182 done, I've gone for gloss black though, as Orange and black do seem to go well together and that's coming from someone who doesn't normally like black wheels.
I've owned a couple of clio's in my time, the 1st being a 16v ( Williams shape ) back in 92 and now I'm nearer 50 than 40 it seems mad that I still love every journey to work in my current 182. One day I'll get a grown up car.

Greg 172

233 posts

201 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Nice to see light coloured alloys winning out - light objects seem bigger because they reflect more light. I really don't understand why so many cars now have black or anthracite alloys when it makes them look smaller. Maybe to encourage upgrades to a larger size?

TheAntics

38 posts

142 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Having recently written of my M140 and my job being on the line I decided to not chunk a load of money into a like for like replacement until my work situation improves. Cheap run around that wasn't going to make me hate driving? RS182. Paid a ridiculously low amount of money for my 182 FF (largely because it was that or scrap heap judging by its condition).

I'm utterly in love, completely unmodified, now considerably tidier, belts and dephaser done and a new set of shoes. It's amazing fun to drive, I feel so connected to it and I've only owned it about a month. Every time I drive it it makes me laugh out loud at how capable it is.

In fact I like it so much, I've bought another one...a cup in inferno. smile

Maldini35

Original Poster:

2,913 posts

188 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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T31WRC said:
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I've owned a couple of clio's in my time, the 1st being a 16v ( Williams shape ) back in 92 and now I'm nearer 50 than 40 it seems mad that I still love every journey to work in my current 182. One day I'll get a grown up car.
Totally agree
I'm far too old to be driving a car like this (according to my wife)


Maldini35

Original Poster:

2,913 posts

188 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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TheAntics said:
Having recently written of my M140 and my job being on the line I decided to not chunk a load of money into a like for like replacement until my work situation improves. Cheap run around that wasn't going to make me hate driving? RS182. Paid a ridiculously low amount of money for my 182 FF (largely because it was that or scrap heap judging by its condition).

I'm utterly in love, completely unmodified, now considerably tidier, belts and dephaser done and a new set of shoes. It's amazing fun to drive, I feel so connected to it and I've only owned it about a month. Every time I drive it it makes me laugh out loud at how capable it is.

In fact I like it so much, I've bought another one...a cup in inferno. smile
I seem to own a couple now as well. smile

Omega1987

38 posts

72 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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greenarrow said:
Reading this report makes me ask the question "have hot hatches really improved in ways that matter since 2004".... sure the turbocharged power of the new ones makes them faster in the real world, but mostly, they're bigger, heavier and real world thirstier, more grown up and less nimble on the back roads that the old school hot hatches were built for. Can any of the new turbo hatches do 45 MPG on a run? I'd be interested to know. Fiesta ST maybe. Hyper hatches? Not a chance!

The Clio 182 is a perfect marriage of the small, light and playful qualities present in the 80s and 90s hot hatch icons with the modern day driveability and user friendliness of the newer cars. Keep thinking I must own one before this is another ship that sales, price wise. They surely wont get any cheaper than they are now...
I think the breed is as good now as it ever has been which is quite a feat when you consider the additional constraints of emissions, crash safety and economy required.

Some modern hot hatches like the Fiesta ST are irritating in that the stability control can't be fully turned off and I'm not a fan of fake engine noise either but on the plus side, hot hatches are now getting lighter again and most are already lighter than their equivalents from ten years ago.

My 208 GTi is as enjoyable to drive with the ESP off my dad's old Saxo VTS ever was but the cars much safer, quicker and more economical (real world 45mpg with 53mpg achievable if you want to be super boring).

The one thing that concerns me about modern hot hatches is how long lived they'll be, I think it'd be much easier to keep a 80s/90s hot hatch alive for 20 years than something built today due to increased complexity, shorter production runs and fewer shared components between models.



Edited by Omega1987 on Friday 21st September 10:09

Jon_S_Rally

3,403 posts

88 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Sold my 172 Cup about six weeks ago and I miss it like crazy to be honest. I've owned newer, more expensive, fast, "better" cars, but the Clio tops my list of favourites. There is just something about them. No other car has made me smile like the little Clio does. Probably should have kept it, given how few nice ones are left.

stuart_83

1,009 posts

101 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Had three of these over the years, and still love them.

I have a feeling after I've moved house next year and have some storage space I may buy another. Finding a 'decent' one in another 12 months might be difficult though!

tsp

65 posts

105 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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greenarrow said:
Reading this report makes me ask the question "have hot hatches really improved in ways that matter since 2004".... sure the turbocharged power of the new ones makes them faster in the real world, but mostly, they're bigger, heavier and real world thirstier, more grown up and less nimble on the back roads that the old school hot hatches were built for. Can any of the new turbo hatches do 45 MPG on a run? I'd be interested to know. Fiesta ST maybe. Hyper hatches? Not a chance!
I have had my 2018 fiesta st for a few months now and in that time I have averaged 42mpg with mostly spirited b-road driving. Im sure if I was sensible on a long motorway run the car would surpass 45mpg maybe even 50mpg - but that sounds boring and who buys a hot hatch for fuel economy ?

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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tsp said:
greenarrow said:
Reading this report makes me ask the question "have hot hatches really improved in ways that matter since 2004".... sure the turbocharged power of the new ones makes them faster in the real world, but mostly, they're bigger, heavier and real world thirstier, more grown up and less nimble on the back roads that the old school hot hatches were built for. Can any of the new turbo hatches do 45 MPG on a run? I'd be interested to know. Fiesta ST maybe. Hyper hatches? Not a chance!
I have had my 2018 fiesta st for a few months now and in that time I have averaged 42mpg with mostly spirited b-road driving. Im sure if I was sensible on a long motorway run the car would surpass 45mpg maybe even 50mpg - but that sounds boring and who buys a hot hatch for fuel economy ?
But half reasonable fuel economy, along with sensible levels of practicality are the reasons we buy hot hatches over other metal - its a bit dull but we don't all have infinite means.

hondansx

4,569 posts

225 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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I agree, good fuel economy should be a given really. They've gotten bigger and heavier, but for me the ideal is that - relatively - they should deliver far better economy than a sports car with similar performance.

I have a Trophy and love it. I am homing in on 120,000 miles and it is parked next to a Huracan Performante - I don't consider the Trophy the poor relation!

Back to fuel economy, wouldn't it be great to have a 6th gear? It would help motorway driving so much, and I reckon it could crack 50mpg if it was a proper overdrive gear.

Which brings me onto a question for the wider PH community. Would you spend closer to £15,000 on one (or £200 a month)? As in, the same price of a brand new Fiesta ST?

I'm genuinely tempted to buy a 172 Cup and restore to as new but better in every area: driving dynamics, performance and also refinement. The aim would be to beat the lap times of modern hot hatches, but retain the old school nature whilst improving ride quality and daily usability - a car without compromise. I wouldn't go mad on the exotic materials, but it would have some nice attention to detail to show where the money goes, and only use top-notch aftermarket parts.

I'm just wondering if there would be a market for this, with the advent of the £250,000 'Singer-esque' Lancia Integrale. I love hot hatches, but sadly not a single new one. But i'm also a realist, I bought my Trophy from memory (I had a 172 about 12 years ago), and once you take the rose-tinted glasses off, there are some obvious areas where modern cars are better. But a 182 is still better where it counts: driving.


ilovequo

775 posts

181 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Bought my Trophy last month and already convinced its here for a long time...
Haven’t enjoyed driving anything as much in ages!
My two criticisms being that it needs a 6th gear and the indicator stalks feel ( and sound ) like they're made out of muller fruit corner yoghurt cartons!
Given ragged out 205’s are making £5-10k theyre an absolute bargain at the moment in my humble opinion!

Kosy

99 posts

161 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Looks great. Must be the week for it! Finally but the bullet and done them on my 130k 172 Cup too.


CarlosSainz100

494 posts

120 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Whats the going rate for a half decent 172/182 nowadays?

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Right between this and Ben’s car I’ve decided my cheap replacement for my M3 when it eventually sells, please god someone buy it! I’m getting a Clio.

If anyone wants to part ex I’m also interested hehe

T31WRC

12 posts

145 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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MachoManRandySavage

11 posts

88 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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Bought my FF 182 cup 8 years ago. Just seems to keep getting better. Do often wonder if I should sell and pay the extra for a trophy for better dynamics/investment credentials. But decent ones are a material extra outlay over what I’d get for mine (which only has 60k on it and is increasingly starting to feel like a ‘classic’ in its own right) and don’t want anything too leggy. But either way don’t think I want to be without one at all!

Maldini35

Original Poster:

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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hondansx said:
Which brings me onto a question for the wider PH community. Would you spend closer to £15,000 on one (or £200 a month)? As in, the same price of a brand new Fiesta ST?

I'm genuinely tempted to buy a 172 Cup and restore to as new but better in every area: driving dynamics, performance and also refinement. The aim would be to beat the lap times of modern hot hatches, but retain the old school nature whilst improving ride quality and daily usability - a car without compromise. I wouldn't go mad on the exotic materials, but it would have some nice attention to detail to show where the money goes, and only use top-notch aftermarket parts.

I'm just wondering if there would be a market for this, with the advent of the £250,000 'Singer-esque' Lancia Integrale. I love hot hatches, but sadly not a single new one. But i'm also a realist, I bought my Trophy from memory (I had a 172 about 12 years ago), and once you take the rose-tinted glasses off, there are some obvious areas where modern cars are better. But a 182 is still better where it counts: driving.
Love it - Great idea!
I’m in the process of restoring 172 Cup which i’m thoroughly enjoying. Most friends think I’m nuts lavishing care, attention and money on an old shopping trolley.
I decided to keep everything stock but have found myself making a few exceptions : Uprated bushes, air filter, brake hoses, pads etc.
The thought of of a standard looking car made as good as it could be (without forgetting it’s a road car ) would be superb. 200 bhp+ but no turbo charging mmmm