Triumph pricing (in Asia at least)

[tezzer]

Working out in Jakarta for 10 days (heading home tomorrow) and spotted the local Triumph dealers from a taxi on my way to dinner on Thursday night.
Went back yesterday for a nosey, and a coffee, and was given the bike price list.
At home I run a T120, which with the paint and options fitted is around £11,000. ere, the base price for the same bike is IDR 430,000,000 or approx. £23,000, plus on the road costs etc.

Gotta be wealthy to buy one of their models over here for sure.
The speedmaster tops the price list, at IDR535,000 or £27,575.00 !

Bearing in mind they are made out here (well, just up the road in Thailand) the import taxes must be crippling.

[Jag_NE]

Some Asian countries have very high import taxes making many imported vehicles crippling expensive. We are very lucky here in that the playing field is reasonably level so it’s down to the OEMs to compete

[creampuff]

I used to work in Jakarta. At least if you are that way inclined, a 6-way with 5 hookers will be much cheaper than the U.K.

How’s the traffic now?

[rodericb]

The import duty is something like 100%.

[anonymous-user]

It's the same all over SE Asia, intil recently big bikes we're illegal in Thailand and Vietnam, now some are assembled locally, I'm looking at an Aprila Shiver at around 5k, new as no impirt tax, priced a Kawa 900 RS last week 14k, but bikes hold their price, bigger issue to me is that dealers are political appointments so spare and support is an issue, no investment, and why I've stuck to Japan and not European bikes out here.

[Steve Bass]

Berw said:

It's the same all over SE Asia, intil recently big bikes we're illegal in Thailand and Vietnam, now some are assembled locally, I'm looking at an Aprila Shiver at around 5k, new as no impirt tax, priced a Kawa 900 RS last week 14k, but bikes hold their price, bigger issue to me is that dealers are political appointments so spare and support is an issue, no investment, and why I've stuck to Japan and not European bikes out here.

Big bikes were never illegal in Vietnam. Import taxes, a discriminatory licensing system and the fact foreigners couldn't register the bike in their own name made life difficult.
Until BMW started assembly in Thailand a GSA was roughly $45000. Currently Thai Triumphs are reasonable whereas Hinckley models like the Tiger or Explorer are still north of $40k.
The big bike market is exploding here with Honda and BMW dealers, KTM ,Triumph and Ducati all selling despite the taxes and now us Johnny foreigners can register and get an NN designated plate it's all good. But you're still looking at $23k for a Honda CB1000R or $27k for a GS1200.
The 45kph limits is the problem now

Edited by Steve Bass on Sunday 23 September 06:41

[anonymous-user]

Ok Steve I agree with you not strictly Illegal, but most were dodgy in some way same in Thailand lots on the wrong log book having been built for spare, I've looked at ridding into Vietnam a few times and it certainly is't easy, but recently things In vietnam must have changes.I know a few people who have bought Harleys there that not say are strictly kosher.

[tezzer]

creampuff said:

I used to work in Jakarta. At least if you are that way inclined, a 6-way with 5 hookers will be much cheaper than the U.K.

How’s the traffic now?

Traffic is the same as it always is, took me 2.5 hours Froday last week from the airport to Kemang, but yesterday afternoon, did it in 40 minutes.

[tezzer]

Berw said:

Ok Steve I agree with you not strictly Illegal, but most were dodgy in some way same in Thailand lots on the wrong log book having been built for spare, I've looked at ridding into Vietnam a few times and it certainly is't easy, but recently things In vietnam must have changes.I know a few people who have bought Harleys there that not say are strictly kosher.

The last bike I hired there, in October last year was a new Versys. When I say new, it was SO new the license plate hadn't even arrived, so I went off with the local instruction that in the unlikely event that I got stopped, offer the Policeman a few '000 baht, and the problem was likely to evaporate !

[Steve Bass]

Berw said:

Ok Steve I agree with you not strictly Illegal, but most were dodgy in some way same in Thailand lots on the wrong log book having been built for spare, I've looked at ridding into Vietnam a few times and it certainly is't easy, but recently things In vietnam must have changes.I know a few people who have bought Harleys there that not say are strictly kosher.

Spot on..

The legitimacy of the bikes 'Blue Card " is always questionable as there's no DVLA or similar to check against. And as 90% of the population share the same 10 names ( in differeing order) the odds of you finding the right 'Nguyen Tranh Dung" names on the card are remote. Although the Police never ask to look at the card for foreigners as if there's no NN plate it'll be in a locals name anyway. The problem comes if you get the bike confiscated as it's only the person on the Blue card who can reclaim it...Or the size of the roadside "Fine" just goes up to $250

Lots of the "Grey" bikes here come out of Thailand, Cambodia and Korea and assume local identities. I know of a CB400 SF that's stickered up as a CX400 as that's the plate they used to rebirth the CB. And who knows the difference anyway. All very opaque..You can print your own Blue Cards if you want, they're meaningless....
Riding into Thailand, Laos and Cambodia is easier now as long as you have the Blue Card in your name and all your other supporting docs.
And the necessary 2 million Dong to make the problems fixable

[anonymous-user]

As I say never ridden in Vietnam but ride in Thailand a fair bit, I've owned a few bikes in Malaysia and go up to the bike weeks in Thailand, I've done Phucket, An Nang and Sadau, in the past, currently looking to do Phucket bike week next April, problem today is you can only cross a land border into Thailand twice a year visa free, after that you need a visa, easy to get but need two visits to the embassy to hand in docs' and collect the visa.
I love ridding in Thailand free and easy no cameras, never had a problem with the police, they see my bike on Malaysian plates and just wave it through road blocks,
One thing about the high price of bikes in SEA is that they are actually seen as a status symbol, if you can afford one you must be respectable and well paid. not the European image.

[nunpuncher]

creampuff said:

I used to work in Jakarta. At least if you are that way inclined, a 6-way with 5 hookers will be much cheaper than the U.K.

How’s the traffic now?

Every cloud.