Take-up of MMR vaccine falls for fourth year in a row.

Take-up of MMR vaccine falls for fourth year in a row.

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Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Well we had this similar discussion that confirmed (as many people apparently knew already) that plumbing/clean water/sewers are what massively reduced diseases long before vaccines came along. I believe someone confirmed that which my plumber told me, there was a huge correlation between the opening of a new sewer in London and the reduction in all these diseases. So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did

We are still lucky enough to have those here.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Jasandjules said:
So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did
So why are the number of cases of these diseases rising as vaccine uptake drops. We live in possible the most sanitary time ever with clean running water to every home, sewers, cleaning products etc.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Moonhawk said:
So why are the number of cases of these diseases rising as vaccine uptake drops. We live in possible the most sanitary time ever with clean running water to every home, sewers, cleaning products etc.
Don't look at me I thought vaccines reduced disease before the last thread on this.

Do we have evidence of cases rising? I saw the other day MMR uptake seems to be around 90% which is way below the 95% needed so do we have large outbreaks at the moment? (I don't watch news!)

BoRED S2upid

19,644 posts

239 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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I don’t understand why you wouldn’t get every vaccine going. We are just about to vaccinate our little one against the pox as the season is upon us kids all over the land will have the itchy scabs all over them soon.

Oakey

27,524 posts

215 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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It's in the OP ffs.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Jasandjules said:
Don't look at me I thought vaccines reduced disease before the last thread on this.
Erm - yes, and if people stop taking them, rates of the disease they are preventing tends to increase.......which is exactly what is being observed.

Jasandjules said:
Do we have evidence of cases rising?
https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3596

https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/files/document...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45246049


Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 23 September 19:35

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Moonhawk said:
Jasandjules said:
So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did
So why are the number of cases of these diseases rising as vaccine uptake drops. We live in possible the most sanitary time ever with clean running water to every home, sewers, cleaning products etc.
Climate change!

andy_s

19,397 posts

258 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Kawasicki said:
Moonhawk said:
Jasandjules said:
So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did
So why are the number of cases of these diseases rising as vaccine uptake drops. We live in possible the most sanitary time ever with clean running water to every home, sewers, cleaning products etc.
Climate change!
Brexit!

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Moonhawk that first link was Europe what has that got to do with the UK?

Just looked at the article (had to wash myself afterwards as it is the Guardian), it says the rate dropped from something like 91.6 to 91.2%?!?

Yet I just found this

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles...

That seems to indicate the rates have been higher previous years and quite a lot higher than around 900 cases.



Edited by Jasandjules on Sunday 23 September 19:54

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Hardly surprising when these people have a voice.

https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/news/phys...

There was a site that was claiming that "homoeopathic remedies" can replace MMR 'without any side effects'. 21st century and people still buy that ste. The only problem is that kids suffer, not the dumbass parents inflicting misery on them.

durbster

10,223 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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In some of the wealthiest parts of LA now, the percentage of kids vaccinated is lower than in some of the poorest parts of the world.

Not vaccinating your kids is becoming the latest fashion statement, which is terrifying because big trends can sprout from those kinds of origins.

The main harm caused by idiocy like homeopathy and Goop products is on the wallets of the gullible, but this stuff affects everyone.

Beati Dogu

8,864 posts

138 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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It's said that this sort of dippy hippy Californian crap is why Steve Jobs didn't seek out proper medical help before it was too late

mx5nut

5,404 posts

81 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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We live in a world where the people have "had enough of experts" and were never taught critical thinking. This is the result.

Some Gump

12,671 posts

185 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Jasandjules said:
Well we had this similar discussion that confirmed (as many people apparently knew already) that plumbing/clean water/sewers are what massively reduced diseases long before vaccines came along. I believe someone confirmed that which my plumber told me, there was a huge correlation between the opening of a new sewer in London and the reduction in all these diseases. So therefore it seems clear that vaccines did not reduce disease, but sewers and clean water etc did

We are still lucky enough to have those here.
I'm sure you're trolling, but if you are not, please don't have children.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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Some Gump said:
I'm sure you're trolling, but if you are not, please don't have children.
You appear to lack the intellectual capacity to remember the thread referred to, or perhaps you did not see it at all. Perhaps you ought to do so before seeking to comment further.


Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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Moonhawk said:
Erm - yes, and if people stop taking them, rates of the disease they are preventing tends to increase.......which is exactly what is being observed.
I can't find any accurate source for uptake - can you please provide it so we can check the last few years compared to the incidence rates I have found.

Hayek

8,969 posts

207 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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They should just offer the seperate vaccines and dump the combined MMR. It doesn't matter that it's perfectly fine, there's a cloud of doubt that will forever hang over it.

durbster

10,223 posts

221 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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Hayek said:
They should just offer the seperate vaccines and dump the combined MMR. It doesn't matter that it's perfectly fine, there's a cloud of doubt that will forever hang over it.
That would be considered a victory by the ignorant. That sort of idiocy should never be rewarded.

Maybe they should stop kids who haven't been vaccinated (without a valid reason) attending school.

Oakey

27,524 posts

215 months

Monday 24th September 2018
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Jasandjules said:
I can't find any accurate source for uptake - can you please provide it so we can check the last few years compared to the incidence rates I have found.
Would you have your children vaccinated?