RE: Porsche abandons diesel for good
Discussion
I would hazard a guess that most of the posters in the thread so far don’t own a Diesel
Cayenne. It is quite frankly a disgustingly capable motor. Depressingly so in many ways, but also hugely entertainingly so in other ways.
I enjoy driving ours as much as I do our mid engined carbon fibre Italian filly.
Cayenne. It is quite frankly a disgustingly capable motor. Depressingly so in many ways, but also hugely entertainingly so in other ways.
I enjoy driving ours as much as I do our mid engined carbon fibre Italian filly.
I have enjoyed some of my diesel cars immensely and I love those thumping Scania V8's. But no tears will be shed here if diesel power disappears alltogether.
Hybrids (be it electric+ petrol or hydrogen if some boffin manages to come up with a winning proposal that also smells like profit to Shell et all) or full electric are the future.
Hybrids (be it electric+ petrol or hydrogen if some boffin manages to come up with a winning proposal that also smells like profit to Shell et all) or full electric are the future.
Edited by Nerdherder on Monday 24th September 20:18
DeejRC said:
I would hazard a guess that most of the posters in the thread so far don’t own a Diesel
Cayenne. It is quite frankly a disgustingly capable motor. Depressingly so in many ways, but also hugely entertainingly so in other ways.
I enjoy driving ours as much as I do our mid engined carbon fibre Italian filly.
I drove a Cayenne GTS, the 4.8 one, 62 plate.Cayenne. It is quite frankly a disgustingly capable motor. Depressingly so in many ways, but also hugely entertainingly so in other ways.
I enjoy driving ours as much as I do our mid engined carbon fibre Italian filly.
It was a very brief drive, and it was a full throttle type of drive, took it up and down the road, probably a miles worth, stupid car, average consumption was 18 and I managed 7, I wouldn’t say it was under powered but it made lots of noise with hardly any real progress, I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole, I’d much rather a diesel version. A car like the Cayenne doesn’t need a thirsty NA V8, it needs a smooth quiet V6 diesel (they are quiet).
That’s if you can’t afford the turbo version, in that case, get the turbo, but I couldn’t think of anything else more suited to a diesel!
I’m all for diesel in cars like these, they’re not 911’s, they’re big safe family cars for people with money who like Porsche and want something sensible.
Chestrockwell said:
I drove a Cayenne GTS, the 4.8 one, 62 plate.
It was a very brief drive, and it was a full throttle type of drive, took it up and down the road, probably a miles worth, stupid car, average consumption was 18 and I managed 7, I wouldn’t say it was under powered but it made lots of noise with hardly any real progress, I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole, I’d much rather a diesel version. A car like the Cayenne doesn’t need a thirsty NA V8, it needs a smooth quiet V6 diesel (they are quiet).
That’s if you can’t afford the turbo version, in that case, get the turbo, but I couldn’t think of anything else more suited to a diesel!
I’m all for diesel in cars like these, they’re not 911’s, they’re big safe family cars for people with money who like Porsche and want something sensible.
+1 to the above.It was a very brief drive, and it was a full throttle type of drive, took it up and down the road, probably a miles worth, stupid car, average consumption was 18 and I managed 7, I wouldn’t say it was under powered but it made lots of noise with hardly any real progress, I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole, I’d much rather a diesel version. A car like the Cayenne doesn’t need a thirsty NA V8, it needs a smooth quiet V6 diesel (they are quiet).
That’s if you can’t afford the turbo version, in that case, get the turbo, but I couldn’t think of anything else more suited to a diesel!
I’m all for diesel in cars like these, they’re not 911’s, they’re big safe family cars for people with money who like Porsche and want something sensible.
The peach of the Cayenne range is the 4.2d enough go to give a GTS a hard time a nice hint of a V8 engine note allied to a nice slug of torque which means you're never out of the power range & good fuel numbers, what's not to like.
For those that keep banging on that it's a diesel therefore rubbish, you need to drive one or a 4.4d Range Rover for that matter they're good engines.
I believe in putting the right engine in the right car be it EV/Petrol or Diesel all have there place in a product range, would I buy a performance SUV? No I wouldn't as imo it seems like a waste of time but I would happily buy a diesel one if I was in the market for an SUV.
I've owned many cars over the years - all cooking versions
No supercars mind - the 997 Turbo being the most potent.
My favourite car was an E60 535d! Stonking, easy to drive performance and great economy - perfect for daily commuting.
Diesel has its place for me as not every journey is an epic one
I can see the image issue with Porsche though - to me a Diesel Porsche is like a low fat fray bentos pie
No supercars mind - the 997 Turbo being the most potent.
My favourite car was an E60 535d! Stonking, easy to drive performance and great economy - perfect for daily commuting.
Diesel has its place for me as not every journey is an epic one
I can see the image issue with Porsche though - to me a Diesel Porsche is like a low fat fray bentos pie
Diesels....what a joke.
Cars that cannot do regular short journeys without failing are a failed product. A dpf should last the lifetime of the car and should never require repair. In the event it does require a repair it should cost £10.
How did modern diesel cars ever get so popular?
Good riddance.
Cars that cannot do regular short journeys without failing are a failed product. A dpf should last the lifetime of the car and should never require repair. In the event it does require a repair it should cost £10.
How did modern diesel cars ever get so popular?
Good riddance.
Let’s hope he gets the hybrid linked with petrol sorted ASAP then as otherwise the SUVs are gas guzzlers and need big power to overcome the significant kerb weight.
If that works then happy days electric driving for all the round town and supplementing the power of the ICE when on WOT
If that works then happy days electric driving for all the round town and supplementing the power of the ICE when on WOT
Not surprised at the announcement.it was clear from the start that Porsche used diesel oniy as a way to meet company c02 targets. There are now other ways to achieve this.
I've only had one diesel car to date and it was perfectly good at what it did, but I would have preferred a petrol has it been offered for similar money at the time as I've never been a fan of diesel. Despite all the glorified c02 statements over the last decade or so, the amount of crap that came out of the exhausts of diesel cars in front always kept my suspicions high.
There is a great documentary on Netflix at the mo about the dieselgate scandal. Well worth a watch. It starts by saying that governments had clean air targets to meet and emissions quoted by manufacturers looked like diesel was a way to help this. However over time they found nothing had changed in terms of air pollution, despite the proliferation of diesel cars. People started looking more closely and that's when dieselgate all came to light. It gave some true examples near the end, one car quoted something like 150 c02 s, when the truth was more than 500.
With the progression in hybrid and electric tech, I think that the switch away from diesel cars can only be a good thing. Diesel has its place, but im not convinced that place is in small cars.
I've only had one diesel car to date and it was perfectly good at what it did, but I would have preferred a petrol has it been offered for similar money at the time as I've never been a fan of diesel. Despite all the glorified c02 statements over the last decade or so, the amount of crap that came out of the exhausts of diesel cars in front always kept my suspicions high.
There is a great documentary on Netflix at the mo about the dieselgate scandal. Well worth a watch. It starts by saying that governments had clean air targets to meet and emissions quoted by manufacturers looked like diesel was a way to help this. However over time they found nothing had changed in terms of air pollution, despite the proliferation of diesel cars. People started looking more closely and that's when dieselgate all came to light. It gave some true examples near the end, one car quoted something like 150 c02 s, when the truth was more than 500.
With the progression in hybrid and electric tech, I think that the switch away from diesel cars can only be a good thing. Diesel has its place, but im not convinced that place is in small cars.
Cloudy147 said:
Not surprised at the announcement.it was clear from the start that Porsche used diesel oniy as a way to meet company c02 targets. There are now other ways to achieve this.
I've only had one diesel car to date and it was perfectly good at what it did, but I would have preferred a petrol has it been offered for similar money at the time as I've never been a fan of diesel. Despite all the glorified c02 statements over the last decade or so, the amount of crap that came out of the exhausts of diesel cars in front always kept my suspicions high.
There is a great documentary on Netflix at the mo about the dieselgate scandal. Well worth a watch. It starts by saying that governments had clean air targets to meet and emissions quoted by manufacturers looked like diesel was a way to help this. However over time they found nothing had changed in terms of air pollution, despite the proliferation of diesel cars. People started looking more closely and that's when dieselgate all came to light. It gave some true examples near the end, one car quoted something like 150 c02 s, when the truth was more than 500.
With the progression in hybrid and electric tech, I think that the switch away from diesel cars can only be a good thing. Diesel has its place, but im not convinced that place is in small cars.
Do you consider a Cayenne a small car? If you don't then does a diesel Cayenne make sense? Do you think a 4.2 V8 is better for the environment than a 4.2d especially when you consider how much more fuel you'll be burning.I've only had one diesel car to date and it was perfectly good at what it did, but I would have preferred a petrol has it been offered for similar money at the time as I've never been a fan of diesel. Despite all the glorified c02 statements over the last decade or so, the amount of crap that came out of the exhausts of diesel cars in front always kept my suspicions high.
There is a great documentary on Netflix at the mo about the dieselgate scandal. Well worth a watch. It starts by saying that governments had clean air targets to meet and emissions quoted by manufacturers looked like diesel was a way to help this. However over time they found nothing had changed in terms of air pollution, despite the proliferation of diesel cars. People started looking more closely and that's when dieselgate all came to light. It gave some true examples near the end, one car quoted something like 150 c02 s, when the truth was more than 500.
With the progression in hybrid and electric tech, I think that the switch away from diesel cars can only be a good thing. Diesel has its place, but im not convinced that place is in small cars.
C02 is still a problem that people have conveniently forgotten about, just because you may not smell it it doesn't mean it's not affecting the environment (& if people are really bothered about the environment then they wouldn't be endorsing ICE/EV or Hybrid) EV's still have issues with the environment which means that in the overall scheme of things they're really no better or worse than an ICE.
For me the best combo on an SUV the size of a Cayenne would be a diesel hybrid.
ZX10R NIN said:
For me the best combo on an SUV the size of a Cayenne would be a diesel hybrid.
For me it depends on where it's being used. For driving in a city centre, I'd go with an EV (although for city-centre driving I probably wouldn't buy an SUV at all); for motorway use, I'd go for a diesel; for a combination I'd probably go for a hybrid, either petrol or diesel depending on the proportions. It'd be interesting to see a twin-test of the (petrol) hybrid and diesel Panamera models under different types of driving conditions.
I was shocked originally when Porsche decided to use diesel engines because for me it wasn't what the brand was all about. I guess it never really sat well with them, so its not a surprise they've dropped them now.
In saying that I do think a torque filled diesel engine does suit an SUV, in many ways a really powerful petrol engine seems a waste in this type of vehicle.
I had a petrol 4.8 V8 in my X5 and I did love the engine for the noise/smoothness, but I think the 40d is a better engine overall for that vehicle.
In saying that I do think a torque filled diesel engine does suit an SUV, in many ways a really powerful petrol engine seems a waste in this type of vehicle.
I had a petrol 4.8 V8 in my X5 and I did love the engine for the noise/smoothness, but I think the 40d is a better engine overall for that vehicle.
Nanook said:
ZX10R NIN said:
For me the best combo on an SUV the size of a Cayenne would be a diesel hybrid.
Is anyone even making diesel hybrid cars? I have just replaced my 4 year old V6 diesel Cayenne with a new petrol S model. I am a huge fan of sporty petrol engines as being the heart and soul of sporty cars (I also have a 911). However, diesels make a lot of sense in SUVs, not just from a cost viewpoint but in the way they deliver their power. Not only does my new Cayenne have more than 400 horses (150 more than the old one) but the torque output is apparently on a par with the diesel and yet during the town driving that the ‘family’ car inevitably does, it just doen’t feel as gutsy. It basically needs revving and then it flies but much of the time you don’t notice the advantage. No, a diesel will never sing like a good petrol but sticking even the cooking diesel into sports mode and surfing the torque was surprisingly satisfying and rapid...
996GT3_Matt said:
bertie said:
SydneySE said:
Sounds good to me; people who buy a prestige mark, such as a Porsche, and then choose diesel- it's just a tight person wanting to show they drive a prestige brand.... I never got why people bought diesel luxury cars, except pure scrooge mentality, after all its not environmentally friendly either.
I've got a Diesel Macan and it was only a diesel as I simply couldn't get a petrol, the wait was something like 9 months on a petrol when I was buying.It'll be the last diesel I ever have, diesel belongs in trucks, trains and ships.
bertie said:
SydneySE said:
Sounds good to me; people who buy a prestige mark, such as a Porsche, and then choose diesel- it's just a tight person wanting to show they drive a prestige brand.... I never got why people bought diesel luxury cars, except pure scrooge mentality, after all its not environmentally friendly either.
I've got a Diesel Macan and it was only a diesel as I simply couldn't get a petrol, the wait was something like 9 months on a petrol when I was buying.It'll be the last diesel I ever have, diesel belongs in trucks, trains and ships.
The desire to drive a Porsche was so great, you bought a Diesel one.
anonymous said:
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Are we ignoring the fact that most petrols are now direct injection and have brought about the same issues as diesels have in the terms of diesels and particulates?All i have heard in this debate is comments about CO2 petrols being worse and that petrols are not as bad as diesels for other stuff.
If the reality was really that why would manufacturers be fitting GPF's at a huge rate of knots? Barely a few days go by where there is not some report of a manufacturer has "upgraded" to meet WLTP and somewhere along the line a GPF or "particulate filter" has been fitted.
I do agree with so many others in this thread though a petrol SUV is useless without a hybrid. You need that torque to get these detached houses going nicely off the line (not that i "like" this particular segment of the market, but it is hard to ignore the fact that they are hugely popular).
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