RE: Bollinger B1 electric SUV due in 2019

[Arsecati]

It's HOW MUCH????

[MDL111]

It says 614 hp on the webpage
0-60 in less than 5 seconds in something looking like this is kinda cool
It seems a little expensive at first glance - esp if we have to add vat and import duty on top

[300bhp/ton]

chelme said:

$125k for THAT?!

Ridiculous. Its way too basic, albeit driven by a 360bhp electric powertrain, to command that much...

I'd be surprised if they sold many. I'd opt for a Land Rover over this any day.

That is completely missing the point of the vehicle. A top spec Caterham or Ariel Atom is expensive and incredibly basic too. Think of this as a similar type of vehicle, but one aimed at off road ability and uniqueness of being fully EV with some very interesting design touches.

Very interesting video here, that gives a lot of reasons and rational on the design choices.
https://youtu.be/7yIChwMkpQ8

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 24th October 21:50

[Maldini35]

unsprung said:

B10 said:

Makes the Ineos projekt look a bit amateur.

Sadly I am forced to agree. Same goes for the new TVR Griffith.

For both of those UK vehicles, there is a breathtaking lack of project management and a painful silence regarding public communication. Any updates tend to be about the founders and their musings. It's... its a sort of lifestyle. The methods don't help us to regard them as a serious endeavour.

Meanwhile...

The bloke who founded Bollinger is mostly absent from the videos in which Bollinger team members explain the work they're doing and what they hope to accomplish.

videos here
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzLZmOd8gunUw7UPT...

On the Bollinger Motors company website, the founder's biography appears last on the list of team members. Not first.

The contrast is night and day.

I bet you the Ineos project lasts a lot longer.

This has made it to production yes.
But it's been rushed through design to save as much time (and money) as possible hence the Top Gear styling.
Getting to the market is one thing but building something that people will actually want at a reasonable price point is something else.
There will be too many other better developed options out there very soon.
Once Rivian comes on stream this will die overnight.
Time will tell if it sells in sufficient volumes at £120k but my money says no chance.

[300bhp/ton]

Maldini35 said:

I bet you the Ineos project lasts a lot longer.

This has made it to production yes.
But it's been rushed through design to save as much time (and money) as possible hence the Top Gear styling.
Getting to the market is one thing but building something that people will actually want at a reasonable price point is something else.
There will be too many other better developed options out there very soon.
Once Rivian comes on stream this will die overnight.
Time will tell if it sells in sufficient volumes at £120k but my money says no chance.

Did you actually watch any of the vid links posted? The ones that talk about the design and look of the vehicle?

[Maldini35]

300bhp/ton said:

Did you actually watch any of the vid links posted? The ones that talk about the design and look of the vehicle?

Yes.

They want to build them cheaply and easily in-house and do all their own metal bending.

It’s expediency post-rationalised as design language.

This could work at a low price point but £120k!!!

Edited by Maldini35 on Friday 25th October 03:07

[Robert-nszl1]

I assume in due course they will stick some wings on it, semi slick tyres, a roll cage, and Ring, here we come!

Probably better built than a Tesla.....

[chelme]

300bhp/ton said:

chelme said:

$125k for THAT?!

Ridiculous. Its way too basic, albeit driven by a 360bhp electric powertrain, to command that much...

I'd be surprised if they sold many. I'd opt for a Land Rover over this any day.

That is completely missing the point of the vehicle. A top spec Caterham or Ariel Atom is expensive and incredibly basic too. Think of this as a similar type of vehicle, but one aimed at off road ability and uniqueness of being fully EV with some very interesting design touches.

Very interesting video here, that gives a lot of reasons and rational on the design choices.
https://youtu.be/7yIChwMkpQ8

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 24th October 21:50

Which ever way they want to dress it up (including using classical music in their videos LOL) This is a most basic design. There is nothing here which is positively extraordinary. The very reason cars like Caterham and Ariel sell so few cars, is because they appeal to a niche market of people looking for an adrenaline rush and positively extraordinary "feel" from diving a lightweight vehicle at high speed, that handles the corners very well too -so much so that ordinary cars cannot match their experience. This is the USP of cars like this, and despite the USP, they sell only a few cars globally per year.

This vehicle offers NOTHING the competitors have not got. Its the most basic box design, with cheap looking details (look at the lights -they look like they sourced them from Halfords/Wallmart lol). The only thing it has is a EV drive train, but hey, everyone is on to this now, so the "USP" is short lived. Nothing here to be excited about - its pretentious at this price point and it will not last. Anyone looking for a fashion statement will opt for G Class or Defender.

If it was $40k, then it would be a different proposition, because you would use it as such; a utilitarian vehicle to chuck around a muddy farm, without much care.

[steveb8189]

I wonder how the designer drew the wheels since they seemed to be only be trained in the use of a ruler

[Triumph Man]

Pick up version for me, preferably with some sort of large diesel engine in it.

[Nerdherder]

I'd rather much have a Pal-V (flying car), which is priced at 500k.
Oh, and a Defender for 4x4 duties.

Edited by Nerdherder on Friday 25th October 08:57

Edited by Nerdherder on Friday 25th October 08:58

[big_peaches]

Aero 3019

[300bhp/ton]

Maldini35 said:

Yes.

They want to build them cheaply and easily in-house and do all their own metal bending.

It’s expediency post-rationalised as design language.

This could work at a low price point but £120k!!!

Edited by Maldini35 on Friday 25th October 03:07

Personally I love the styling they have gone for, in and out.

However, I don't get why you are are getting so upset about it.


So how do you feel about things like this then?

Donkervoort D8 GTO-JD70 gets 2.5 TFSI

Also a very basic vehicle. But £170,000!

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/new...

[Ho Lee Kau]

ecs0set said:

chickensoup said:

reminds me of something

?

THE best comment.

Bollinger B1 - just as idiotic and stupid as that garbage on the photo (Top Gear guys were always witty, funny and prescient).

Does this B1 comes with a crate of Bollinger champagne, at least?

[Rumblestripe]

Ha ha ha ha ha

Over 100k for that?

Who styled that? Boris Porkpies Johnson with a cardboard box? As a kit car it would be embarrassing as a $125k production vehicle I can only assume this article has slipped through some rift in space-time from April next year...

[thelostboy]

300bhp/ton said:

That is completely missing the point of the vehicle. A top spec Caterham or Ariel Atom is expensive and incredibly basic too. Think of this as a similar type of vehicle, but one aimed at off road ability and uniqueness of being fully EV with some very interesting design touches.

Very interesting video here, that gives a lot of reasons and rational on the design choices.
https://youtu.be/7yIChwMkpQ8

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 24th October 21:50

So when is yours arriving?

[300bhp/ton]

chelme said:

Which ever way they want to dress it up (including using classical music in their videos LOL)

The video is from a YouTube show/series. Bollinger likely had no input on the music, so not sure what your pointless point is for

chelme said:

This is a most basic design.

Well it isn't, you are just looking at "styling" and then making lots of false assumptions.

chelme said:

There is nothing here which is positively extraordinary.

Well there is actually. Just a shame you are not noticing.

chelme said:

The very reason cars like Caterham and Ariel sell so few cars, is because they appeal to a niche market of people looking for an adrenaline rush and positively extraordinary "feel" from diving a lightweight vehicle at high speed, that handles the corners very well too -so much so that ordinary cars cannot match their experience. This is the USP of cars like this, and despite the USP, they sell only a few cars globally per year.

I doubt Bollinger is aiming at volume sales either, so again what is your point? Not too mention there are lots of other vehicles which are niche and expensive.

Have you seen the Land Rover Defender 70th Anniversary model? Land Rover sold them at £140,000 each!!! ($162,000).

chelme said:

This vehicle offers NOTHING the competitors have not got.

What competitors? And it does offer a lot, a twin electric motor setup. High and low range gearing, portal hubs, unique stowage and hauling ability. I don't know of anything else that is even similar.

chelme said:

Its the most basic box design

Again you seem to be basing your opinions 100% on the visual shape of the vehicle.

chelme said:

, with cheap looking details (look at the lights -they look like they sourced them from Halfords/Wallmart lol).

Eh? The lights look perfectly retro, which is in-keeping with the design and the rational given for the design.

chelme said:

If it was $40k, then it would be a different proposition, because you would use it as such; a utilitarian vehicle to chuck around a muddy farm, without much care.

$40k, are you living in a dream world or a parallel universe or something

FFS a Wrangler will cost more than that. Even a Jeep Renegade can. While I'd personally love it to be a lot cheaper, I think you need a reality check on what stuff costs.

A Land Cruiser, with a 177hp diesel engine, no interesting tech and dull visuals is £50k in the UK:
https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/land-cruiser/pri...

Even a well specced Ford Ranger is about £40k too. Yet you seem to think a fairly bespoke handbuilt EV, all aluminium vehicle with much more capability should be cheaper.

[300bhp/ton]

thelostboy said:

So when is yours arriving?

When I win the lottery. But if I had the money, I would be interested yes.

[Maldini35]

300bhp/ton said:

Personally I love the styling they have gone for, in and out.

However, I don't get why you are are getting so upset about it.


So how do you feel about things like this then?

Donkervoort D8 GTO-JD70 gets 2.5 TFSI

Also a very basic vehicle. But £170,000!

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/new...

I like the Donkervoort as it happens.

I’m not upset by the Bollinger. It’s just another false dawn.
It’s a ruffty-tuffty, working pick-up for the price of a Bentley that appears to have been styled by a 5 year old.
I know it was a prototype but the front hatch and rear tailgate looked and sounded pretty flimsy too.
I’m sure there’s some great EV tech at the heart of it but they really should have spent more time and money on the styling at that price point.

[300bhp/ton]

Maldini35 said:

I like the Donkervoort as it happens.

I’m not upset by the Bollinger. It’s just another false dawn.
It’s a ruffty-tuffty, working pick-up for the price of a Bentley that appears to have been styled by a 5 year old.
I know it was a prototype but the front hatch and rear tailgate looked and sounded pretty flimsy too.
I’m sure there’s some great EV tech at the heart of it but they really should have spent more time and money on the styling at that price point.

A Bentley SUV in the USA is from $157,000, so a reasonable price difference still.

And considering you haven't built or designed a car yourself, you seem to be quite insulting about it's styling, just because it isn't to your taste.