RE: All-new 2019 BMW 3 Series revealed
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RobDickinson said:
Uh yes they offer a roadster battery upgrade and still support it.
Tesla are releasing free updates to 2012 cars where BMW advertise the low price of 200 to update...
Without Tesla traditional auto wouldn't be looking at bev at all.
And that would be at what cost? Tesla are releasing free updates to 2012 cars where BMW advertise the low price of 200 to update...
Without Tesla traditional auto wouldn't be looking at bev at all.
£200? Is that a showstopper, for a £30K vehicle. Let’s not forget BMW are a proper manufacturer who aren’t about to disappear offf the radar.
As for Tesla, imo, they’re almost finished. Only that nutter Musk knows the business plan for sure but when your USP is gone and your competitors are, better looking, dynamically superior and similar cost wise, whilst having CS and a buyer experience that Tesla just can never support, well, that’s the end.
DMZ said:
I have a BMW and their inability to do anything with it that doesn't require keeping it for two days is pretty shocking in this day and age. I saw a great comment by a Tesla owner: it's the only car on the market that gets better as it sits on the driveway. Tesla has changed so many things about what a car is and how it's sold and maintained it's pretty incredible. The others are essentially talking about copying this
A couple of points. You say you’re not bothered about the new 3 series. Yet here you are with Rob and others making sweeping statements about it competing with completely different technology? You said you’d heard. So you don’t actually own a Tesla yourself. Do correct me here.
And lastly customer support. I’d rate BMW as one of my all time favourites. Solid network and dealership, lots of loan cars. When my M3 ate ita actuators the local place had no cars, just for the day. The sales manager gave me his. Apart from that none of my BMW services have run over. What repeat two day issues have you have and furthermore what Tesla self repairs on the driveway?
RobDickinson said:
That's funny, Tesla being pretty much the only cars that can be repaired remotely.
Really. How do they wirelessly repair a wheel bearing, a rattle, a vibration upon braking. Can they Bluetooth a tracking update, a leaking boot seal? Do you actually believe half of what you post?
Well if it needs parts fixing yes it needs a service. Tesla might send someone to your home instead.
But they can and do fix things remotely.
The model 3 brake issue is a good (but not unique) example, they fixed the problem remotely with a software update, any other car would have needed booking into a service center.
So yes they can and do fix problems remotely.
But they can and do fix things remotely.
The model 3 brake issue is a good (but not unique) example, they fixed the problem remotely with a software update, any other car would have needed booking into a service center.
So yes they can and do fix problems remotely.
RobDickinson said:
Well if it needs parts fixing yes it needs a service. Tesla might send someone to your home instead.
But they can and do fix things remotely.
The model 3 brake issue is a good (but not unique) example, they fixed the problem remotely with a software update, any other car would have needed booking into a service center.
So yes they can and do fix problems remotely.
But not in the UK as it’s not released yet. Obviously. It’s just another clutching at straws advantage, Tesla just aren’t a proper car manufacturer. The fact that they couldn’t even beta test brake software just fills me with confidence But they can and do fix things remotely.
The model 3 brake issue is a good (but not unique) example, they fixed the problem remotely with a software update, any other car would have needed booking into a service center.
So yes they can and do fix problems remotely.
Perhaps they should have traditional dealers instead of their iPad things?yonex said:
But not in the UK as it’s not released yet. Obviously. It’s just another clutching at straws advantage, Tesla just aren’t a proper car manufacturer. The fact that they couldn’t even beta test brake software just fills me with confidence Perhaps they should have traditional dealers instead of their iPad things?
f Perhaps they should have traditional dealers instead of their iPad things?
k me are you Donald Trump, you move goal posts as fast. yonex said:
But not in the UK as it’s not released yet. Obviously. It’s just another clutching at straws advantage, Tesla just aren’t a proper car manufacturer. The fact that they couldn’t even beta test brake software just fills me with confidence Perhaps they should have traditional dealers instead of their iPad things?
Tesla don't see themselves as a car manufacturer. Perhaps they should have traditional dealers instead of their iPad things?You have to face it, Tesla are disrupting the sector like no other business ever has. BMW/Merc/Audi/et al will (and do) learn more from Tesla than the other way around.
With an increasing number of cars being fixed with a software refresh/amendment, Tesla's ability to do that remotely is a huge step forward.
....and given how s
t most car dealers are compared to 10yrs ago, there is huge merit in Tesla's approach.Indeed. My point about the car improving on the driveway was more to do with the fact that Tesla pushes software updates to their cars so as it's sitting there it's getting new features.
The curious thing is that this is fairly obvious when you think about how your phone works etc but seems to be extremely difficult to achieve for the traditional manufacturers. I know from experience that even doing software updates as part of a service is difficult as multiple systems must often be updated at once and doing it by hand means you might get it wrong. Deployment automation doesn't seem to be a well understood concept.
The negative flipside of this stuff is that Tesla is a bit less diligent when it comes to testing as fixing a problem is quite simple so your car is in a continuous beta state which can be a bit alarming for something travelling at 100mph or whatever. It's also practically impossible to determine which features a particular car have as they run a continuous improvement process so just add capabilities to the cars as the new capabilities become available. Lots of stories about people buying a Tesla just to find that two weeks later some new fangled thing became available that they don't have.
Anyways, I'm sure the BMW 3-series has lots of exciting things going about it too and maybe that's what we should be discussing in this thread...
The curious thing is that this is fairly obvious when you think about how your phone works etc but seems to be extremely difficult to achieve for the traditional manufacturers. I know from experience that even doing software updates as part of a service is difficult as multiple systems must often be updated at once and doing it by hand means you might get it wrong. Deployment automation doesn't seem to be a well understood concept.
The negative flipside of this stuff is that Tesla is a bit less diligent when it comes to testing as fixing a problem is quite simple so your car is in a continuous beta state which can be a bit alarming for something travelling at 100mph or whatever. It's also practically impossible to determine which features a particular car have as they run a continuous improvement process so just add capabilities to the cars as the new capabilities become available. Lots of stories about people buying a Tesla just to find that two weeks later some new fangled thing became available that they don't have.
Anyways, I'm sure the BMW 3-series has lots of exciting things going about it too and maybe that's what we should be discussing in this thread...
DMZ said:
Indeed. My point about the car improving on the driveway was more to do with the fact that Tesla pushes software updates to their cars so as it's sitting there it's getting new features.
The curious thing is that this is fairly obvious when you think about how your phone works etc but seems to be extremely difficult to achieve for the traditional manufacturers. I know from experience that even doing software updates as part of a service is difficult as multiple systems must often be updated at once and doing it by hand means you might get it wrong. Deployment automation doesn't seem to be a well understood concept.
The negative flipside of this stuff is that Tesla is a bit less diligent when it comes to testing as fixing a problem is quite simple so your car is in a continuous beta state which can be a bit alarming for something travelling at 100mph or whatever. It's also practically impossible to determine which features a particular car have as they run a continuous improvement process so just add capabilities to the cars as the new capabilities become available. Lots of stories about people buying a Tesla just to find that two weeks later some new fangled thing became available that they don't have.
Anyways, I'm sure the BMW 3-series has lots of exciting things going about it too and maybe that's what we should be discussing in this thread...
The major manufacturers don't have the same level of proprietary software/technology (or the level of control of the car by it).....but they are getting there. Both my last BMW and my current Alfa can received software updates remotely. That doesn't include a re-tune to increase power, throttle response brake response, etc, but with all those things controlled by software, I don't doubt they could....The curious thing is that this is fairly obvious when you think about how your phone works etc but seems to be extremely difficult to achieve for the traditional manufacturers. I know from experience that even doing software updates as part of a service is difficult as multiple systems must often be updated at once and doing it by hand means you might get it wrong. Deployment automation doesn't seem to be a well understood concept.
The negative flipside of this stuff is that Tesla is a bit less diligent when it comes to testing as fixing a problem is quite simple so your car is in a continuous beta state which can be a bit alarming for something travelling at 100mph or whatever. It's also practically impossible to determine which features a particular car have as they run a continuous improvement process so just add capabilities to the cars as the new capabilities become available. Lots of stories about people buying a Tesla just to find that two weeks later some new fangled thing became available that they don't have.
Anyways, I'm sure the BMW 3-series has lots of exciting things going about it too and maybe that's what we should be discussing in this thread...
bodhi said:
Good job Tesla don;t have any dealers isn't it.
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus/list/stores/uni...
Oh.
And the Chinese miscling in on BMW's turf? Really? Outside of Volvo, I really don't see the others managing it - I mean Kia and Hyundai turned up, yet BMW's sales have gone from strength to strength. Not sure if I'm seeing much logic here tbh.
Do you know who owns the Tesla dealers?https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus/list/stores/uni...
Oh.
And the Chinese miscling in on BMW's turf? Really? Outside of Volvo, I really don't see the others managing it - I mean Kia and Hyundai turned up, yet BMW's sales have gone from strength to strength. Not sure if I'm seeing much logic here tbh.
RobDickinson said:
Well if it needs parts fixing yes it needs a service. Tesla might send someone to your home instead.
But they can and do fix things remotely.
The model 3 brake issue is a good (but not unique) example, they fixed the problem remotely with a software update, any other car would have needed booking into a service center.
So yes they can and do fix problems remotely.
Came across this interesting video on YT...But they can and do fix things remotely.
The model 3 brake issue is a good (but not unique) example, they fixed the problem remotely with a software update, any other car would have needed booking into a service center.
So yes they can and do fix problems remotely.
What engineers found when they stripped down a Model 3, clear they have the tech lead but...
https://youtu.be/Lj1a8rdX6DU
https://www.bmw.co.uk/bmw-cars/3-series/2018-saloo...
374bhp for the new M340i.
Should be pretty nice and 1450kg is low isnt it?! A bit less than a current M140i?
M3 has to be another hundred BHP surely? Likely to be 500?
374bhp for the new M340i.
Should be pretty nice and 1450kg is low isnt it?! A bit less than a current M140i?
M3 has to be another hundred BHP surely? Likely to be 500?
Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 23 October 16:13
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