RE: Overfinch Range Rover Sport launched

RE: Overfinch Range Rover Sport launched

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nyxster

1,452 posts

170 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Andy20vt said:
Point 1 - I haven't and won't be.

Point 2 - They have a negative impact on plenty of other people. Heavier than they need to be (impacting crash survive-ability for people in more normal size cars), taller than they need to be (restricting forward vision for people in normal size cars), and wider/longer than they need to be (meaning that visits to the supermarket, or any other car park become a pain with so many of them around). Yes trucks, vans, buses etc are all bigger/heavier too but with that size comes a useful purpose.

What's more they're just so FAKE. I mean if you're not even going to go off road why by an SUV?

When I was in Australia a few years back I worked in a surf shop. Occasionally we used to get guys come in to buy a high performance surf board. We always asked a lot of questions about their riding style and it sometimes became clear that the guys had never even surfed. One even admitted he wanted one just to strap to the top of his car to make him look cool. We sold it to him of course, he bought some T shirts with big logos on too. Same sort of thing driving an SUV that will never see a spec of mud in it's life. A fashion/posing statement pure and simple.
you are a one man PH meme factory.

keep it up, you’ve done finance, image obsessed and think of the children/fluffy kittens etc., I’m a couple of points off a PH full house here.



Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Andy20vt said:
Ares said:
Touché laugh (despite the edit wink )
Clearly lost on you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
I knew that? Hence why I didn't correct you on it??

Strange man.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Andy20vt said:
soupdragon1 said:
So you are having a pop at people for buying pointless cars, yet you own a pointless car yourself?

An Elise is effectively a grown ups toy, like any other 'sports' car. I love sports cars and if people choose to buy them, good luck to them and I'm sure they'll really enjoy the ownership experience. Same as this RR - Its all about the ownership experience. Some like a true sporty drive, some like a luxury drive with a pinch of compromised sportyness thrown in.

It's really not that difficult to see the attraction in many types of vehicles, no matter what your own personal favourites are.
Except an Elise isn't a pointless car - it's a driving tool and for the role it's been designed for it's perfect, but without being overly flashy in a show off kind of way. A sporty SUV is a massive compromise in every area. If you want usable load space, a large estate car or a much cheaper van is better. If you want off road a properly designed 4x4 is better. If you want speed and handling then a sports car is better. If you want luxury and comfort then most luxury saloon cars are much better.

There are two areas however where the sporty SUV excels, and that is it's ability to follow fashion (if you're the sort that gets their fashion influence from reading the celebrity gossip magazines), and giving an image of perceived wealth, status and importance over other road users.
Sorry, an Elise (I've owned one, and an Exige) is just as pointless as an SUV (I've owned two of those).

They are just tools for very different purposes.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
You may see footballers as fashion setters,
Think you misread my post.
No I didn't wink

popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
most of us don't. ...and most car buyers are also not primarily driven by fashion.
The point is that buyers of certain marques are. To deny segments of the market are fashionable is a little odd. Colours, styles, types, interiors - fashion influences all of these.
Such as? Source for the analysis? Examples?

Colours of cars go in and out of popularity, usually manufacturer led, not really because a footballer is driving one?

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Andy20vt said:
Brooking10 said:
Here’s a couple of thought for you

1 - Don’t buy one

2 - Try not to be such a judgemental prick about those who do because ultimately what negative impact does it have on your life other than make you look a bit of chippy berk on an Internet forum !?
Point 1 - I haven't and won't be.

Point 2 - They have a negative impact on plenty of other people. Heavier than they need to be (impacting crash survive-ability for people in more normal size cars), taller than they need to be (restricting forward vision for people in normal size cars), and wider/longer than they need to be (meaning that visits to the supermarket, or any other car park become a pain with so many of them around). Yes trucks, vans, buses etc are all bigger/heavier too but with that size comes a useful purpose.

What's more they're just so FAKE. I mean if you're not even going to go off road why by an SUV?

When I was in Australia a few years back I worked in a surf shop. Occasionally we used to get guys come in to buy a high performance surf board. We always asked a lot of questions about their riding style and it sometimes became clear that the guys had never even surfed. One even admitted he wanted one just to strap to the top of his car to make him look cool. We sold it to him of course, he bought some T shirts with big logos on too. Same sort of thing driving an SUV that will never see a spec of mud in it's life. A fashion/posing statement pure and simple.
Are you Jeremy Corbyn?

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Brooking10 said:
Andy20vt said:
Brooking10 said:
Here’s a couple of thought for you

1 - Don’t buy one

2 - Try not to be such a judgemental prick about those who do because ultimately what negative impact does it have on your life other than make you look a bit of chippy berk on an Internet forum !?
Point 1 - I haven't and won't be.

Point 2 - They have a negative impact on plenty of other people. Heavier than they need to be (impacting crash survive-ability for people in more normal size cars), taller than they need to be (restricting forward vision for people in normal size cars), and wider/longer than they need to be (meaning that visits to the supermarket, or any other car park become a pain with so many of them around). Yes trucks, vans, buses etc are all bigger/heavier too but with that size comes a useful purpose.

What's more they're just so FAKE. I mean if you're not even going to go off road why by an SUV?

When I was in Australia a few years back I worked in a surf shop. Occasionally we used to get guys come in to buy a high performance surf board. We always asked a lot of questions about their riding style and it sometimes became clear that the guys had never even surfed. One even admitted he wanted one just to strap to the top of his car to make him look cool. We sold it to him of course, he bought some T shirts with big logos on too. Same sort of thing driving an SUV that will never see a spec of mud in it's life. A fashion/posing statement pure and simple.
You seem to have moved the goalposts somewhat.

I thought your gripe was with high performance SUVs ?

But. Is we seem to have moved on to a cut and paste anti-suv rant somehow underpinned with the usual nonsense.

If you are not going to do any driving on a track why buy a car with good track dynamics ?

If you are not going to go above the national speed limit why but a car which can do in excess of it ?

The list goes on and on....
Anyone who is anti-something, especially so anti that they can't stop going on about it, will constantly move goalposts so as to ensure their blinkered point of view is still on topic.

nyxster

1,452 posts

170 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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in at number 6 hehe


popeyewhite

19,622 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Ares said:
Such as? Source for the analysis? Examples?
You want analysis to explain that car interiors/makes etc can be subject to fashion?? rofl

Ares said:
Colours of cars go in and out of popularity, usually manufacturer led, not really because a footballer is driving one?
Yes, popularity/ fashion Thank you.

I'll nip your next bizarre argument in the bud:

fashion:
ˈfaʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
a popular or the latest style of clothing, hair, decoration etc

Colours of cars are dictated largely by what sells. You don't really think manufacturers will keep pushing out unfashionable colours do you?

soupdragon1

3,966 posts

96 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Andy20vt said:
soupdragon1 said:
So you are having a pop at people for buying pointless cars, yet you own a pointless car yourself?

An Elise is effectively a grown ups toy, like any other 'sports' car. I love sports cars and if people choose to buy them, good luck to them and I'm sure they'll really enjoy the ownership experience. Same as this RR - Its all about the ownership experience. Some like a true sporty drive, some like a luxury drive with a pinch of compromised sportyness thrown in.

It's really not that difficult to see the attraction in many types of vehicles, no matter what your own personal favourites are.
Except an Elise isn't a pointless car - it's a driving tool and for the role it's been designed for it's perfect, but without being overly flashy in a show off kind of way. A sporty SUV is a massive compromise in every area. If you want usable load space, a large estate car or a much cheaper van is better. If you want off road a properly designed 4x4 is better. If you want speed and handling then a sports car is better. If you want luxury and comfort then most luxury saloon cars are much better.

There are two areas however where the sporty SUV excels, and that is it's ability to follow fashion (if you're the sort that gets their fashion influence from reading the celebrity gossip magazines), and giving an image of perceived wealth, status and importance over other road users.
Sorry, but if you can't understand the term 'ownership experience', I can't help you.
Even the seat makes a large difference. A range rover seat is like an armchair, a great way to munch miles. A typical car seat is like a chair with the legs removed. Very different experience. I had a RRS before, st to take roundabouts etc but for knocking out 100 mile journeys, hard to beat, unparalleled in some respects.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Andy20vt said:
Go and drive you're SUV round a track and see how long your tyres last!!! In the meantime I'll be running rings round you in my Elise - oh and having much more fun in the process.
I just quoted this so others don't have to bore themselves going through the rest of this posters comments on this topic, it's brilliant both in its desperation to win an argument and it's utter ignorance to the point even he himself is making.
Can we all just either ignore this idiot or indeed maybe agree with him and stroke him as o think he is a classic Internet forum fantasist who will continue until others are bored in the sad belief that he is right.
Anyone that thinks his Elise is a better car than a Range Rover on the basis that in his head he can drive it on a track quicker and obviously the RR is going to be slower so therefore is a worse car has to be, in my humble opinion, an idiot.
I mean, ffs, if you want a car to go round a track then buy an Elise, or something better if you have money, however if you want a Range Rover Sport then buy a sport, it's down to taste.
This chap clearly has issues with this type of car and is not for convincing, I think the post I have quoted shows this and also shows the pointlessness of trying.
A classic forum Walt........he will always be right so just humour or ignore.



anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Ares said:
Andy20vt said:
Ares said:
Touché laugh (despite the edit wink )
Clearly lost on you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
I knew that? Hence why I didn't correct you on it??
Ahh yes righto - of course you did wink

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Sunday 14th October 2018
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popeyewhite said:
Ares said:
Such as? Source for the analysis? Examples?
You want analysis to explain that car interiors/makes etc can be subject to fashion?? rofl

Ares said:
Colours of cars go in and out of popularity, usually manufacturer led, not really because a footballer is driving one?
Yes, popularity/ fashion Thank you.

I'll nip your next bizarre argument in the bud:

fashion:
?fa?(?)n/Submit
noun
1.
a popular or the latest style of clothing, hair, decoration etc

Colours of cars are dictated largely by what sells. You don't really think manufacturers will keep pushing out unfashionable colours do you?
Manufacturers set the fashion, not footballers (in my world anyway, maybe you do just follow whatever the footballers do?)

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Sunday 14th October 2018
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Andy20vt said:
Ares said:
Andy20vt said:
Ares said:
Touché laugh (despite the edit wink )
Clearly lost on you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
I knew that? Hence why I didn't correct you on it??
Ahh yes righto - of course you did wink
You are making even less sense than normal....which is quite an achievement.