RE: Bloodhound SSC project enters administration
Discussion
IN51GHT said:
There are two statements in that sentence that are incorrect, I'll let you decide which two.
At some point it would be interesting to hear all the carry ons that were happening behind the scene on this project and what caused you to finally say enough is enough.Maybe next year once Bloodhound is wound up
shakotan said:
RB Will said:
Quick question just popped into my head. Why does Bloodhound use a car engine as a fuel pump? I'm guessing in the normal system of fuelling a jet engine its just a normal electric pump?
Sheer volume of fuel.AndrewEH1 said:
IN51GHT said:
There are two statements in that sentence that are incorrect, I'll let you decide which two.
At some point it would be interesting to hear all the carry ons that were happening behind the scene on this project and what caused you to finally say enough is enough.Maybe next year once Bloodhound is wound up
donkmeister said:
If you aren't a proper engineer you just chop the wings off an F-104 and hope for the best.
This guy's approach is funny and scary in equal measure. Despite everything he must have read and learned about the challenges the Thrust SSC team had to overcome, he's decided that it was all nonsense and you just need a 1960s fighter plane.Ahonen said:
donkmeister said:
If you aren't a proper engineer you just chop the wings off an F-104 and hope for the best.
This guy's approach is funny and scary in equal measure. Despite everything he must have read and learned about the challenges the Thrust SSC team had to overcome, he's decided that it was all nonsense and you just need a 1960s fighter plane.IN51GHT said:
wab172uk said:
There is a guy commenting in this thread who worked on the project for several years. He knows more than any of the rest of us, so maybe ask him a serious question and let him answer you. Then don't argue afterwards.
It begs the question whether the project was simply over-ambitious, technically.
Most previous holders of the LSR (including Richard Noble's original Thrust II) have been relatively crude, cheap devices. Art Arfons' Green Monster of course (which Thrust II strongly resembled) , was famously so, having been basically knocked up in his shed round an engine that had been discarded as unserviceable.
Maybe if they'd stuck to less ambitious speed targets, and incremental advances using well-established technology and solutions, we wouldn't be talking about needing a further £25 million to complete the job, with a car that's already almost complete.
No previous attempt has run at anything even vaguely resembling that level of expenditure - except, perhaps, Donald Campbell's Bluebird CN7, which was a similar tour-de-force, technically, and almost as disappointing in terms of the results it achieved.
It really didn't make much sense to aim at such a big-budget approach, in a world that increasingly views the LSR as an irrelevance.
Most previous holders of the LSR (including Richard Noble's original Thrust II) have been relatively crude, cheap devices. Art Arfons' Green Monster of course (which Thrust II strongly resembled) , was famously so, having been basically knocked up in his shed round an engine that had been discarded as unserviceable.
Maybe if they'd stuck to less ambitious speed targets, and incremental advances using well-established technology and solutions, we wouldn't be talking about needing a further £25 million to complete the job, with a car that's already almost complete.
No previous attempt has run at anything even vaguely resembling that level of expenditure - except, perhaps, Donald Campbell's Bluebird CN7, which was a similar tour-de-force, technically, and almost as disappointing in terms of the results it achieved.
It really didn't make much sense to aim at such a big-budget approach, in a world that increasingly views the LSR as an irrelevance.
Equus said:
It begs the question whether the project was simply over-ambitious, technically.
Most previous holders of the LSR (including Richard Noble's original Thrust II) have been relatively crude, cheap devices. Art Arfons' Green Monster of course (which Thrust II strongly resembled) , was famously so, having been basically knocked up in his shed round an engine that had been discarded as unserviceable.
Maybe if they'd stuck to less ambitious speed targets......
800mph is hardly ambitious.Most previous holders of the LSR (including Richard Noble's original Thrust II) have been relatively crude, cheap devices. Art Arfons' Green Monster of course (which Thrust II strongly resembled) , was famously so, having been basically knocked up in his shed round an engine that had been discarded as unserviceable.
Maybe if they'd stuck to less ambitious speed targets......
chrisironside said:
Europa1 said:
cookie1600 said:
chrisironside said:
I contacted Universal Studios about this.
I seem to remember that Thrust was converted and used as a Batmobile in one of the films.
Really???I seem to remember that Thrust was converted and used as a Batmobile in one of the films.
I'm sure the Coventry Transport Museum would have noticed it being pushed out of the door:
https://www.transport-museum.com/visiting/biffa_aw...
Should have done a little due diligence first. It was the Batman/Batman Returns one I thought it applied to.
Doubt Universal will take my proposal seriously now ??
Equus said:
It begs the question whether the project was simply over-ambitious, technically.
Most previous holders of the LSR (including Richard Noble's original Thrust II) have been relatively crude, cheap devices. Art Arfons' Green Monster of course (which Thrust II strongly resembled) , was famously so, having been basically knocked up in his shed round an engine that had been discarded as unserviceable.
Maybe if they'd stuck to less ambitious speed targets, and incremental advances using well-established technology and solutions, we wouldn't be talking about needing a further £25 million to complete the job, with a car that's already almost complete.
Thrust SSC was hardly crude and cheap, and if you want a new LSR then you need to be faster than that! Fundamentally there is no such thing as "well established technology and solutions" for a supersonic car.Most previous holders of the LSR (including Richard Noble's original Thrust II) have been relatively crude, cheap devices. Art Arfons' Green Monster of course (which Thrust II strongly resembled) , was famously so, having been basically knocked up in his shed round an engine that had been discarded as unserviceable.
Maybe if they'd stuck to less ambitious speed targets, and incremental advances using well-established technology and solutions, we wouldn't be talking about needing a further £25 million to complete the job, with a car that's already almost complete.
IN51GHT said:
800mph is hardly ambitious.
I thought that the target was 1,000mph?In any case, it's not what they were trying to achieve, but the way they were trying to achieve it.
Back in the 1960's, you could do 400mph using a completely bespoke 4-wheel drive drivetain, in a monocoque body/chassis using the best current aviation structural technology, with specially developed tyres, the best available telemetry, etc., etc., all supplied by the leaders in each technological field.
...or you could use a second-hand jet engine bolted to a ladder frame chassis, using hot-rod parts.
History records which worked best.
Formula 1 engines driving bespoke turbopumps, just to deliver the fuel supply, wasn't it?
Maybe that would have been necessary, to achieve the big step up from the current 763mph to 1,000mph, but I'm sure that there are simpler, cheaper ways to do it if you're 'only' aiming at 800.
IN51GHT said:
I asked the same question on multiple occasions, I suggested 4 years ago now an electrically driven pump, it was ridiculed, at a pre-Newquay meeting one of the marketeers suggested it & it was the best idea since sliced bread, then low & behold at Newquay tests I find out we are looking into an electrically driven pump. Me, bitter, not much!!!
Well getting JLR on board gave them some fancy cars to run about town in! Who are you to question the know-how of marketeers, especially when it comes to engineering!!It's pretty dumbfounding their aim was to break 1,000mph but weren't putting sound engineering first.
Big noisy white elephant comes to mind!
Reminds me of John "two hits" Otway's attempt to organise a world tour using a leased Boeing 747,
"In 2002, when asked what he wanted for his 50th birthday, he requested "a second hit". A concerted drive to select the track, saw "Bunsen Burner" — with music sampled from the Trammps song "Disco Inferno" and lyrics devised to help his daughter with her chemistry homework – reach number nine in the UK Singles Chart and earned Otway an appearance on Top of the Pops.
"To encourage fans to buy more than one copy each of the single, he released three different versions. The flip-side of "Bunsen Burner – The Hit Mix" was a cover of "The House of the Rising Sun" recorded at Abbey Road Studios and featuring 900 of his fans on backing vocals, each of whom was credited by name on the single's sleeve.
"Buoyed by the success of the hit campaign, Otway planned an ambitious world tour in October 2006. Otway proposed hiring his own jet to take his band, and 300 of his fans, to some of the most prestigious venues in the world, including Carnegie Hall and Sydney Opera House. Despite over 150 fans signing up, the tour was cancelled as the costs of the plane spiralled." - Wikipedia
"In 2002, when asked what he wanted for his 50th birthday, he requested "a second hit". A concerted drive to select the track, saw "Bunsen Burner" — with music sampled from the Trammps song "Disco Inferno" and lyrics devised to help his daughter with her chemistry homework – reach number nine in the UK Singles Chart and earned Otway an appearance on Top of the Pops.
"To encourage fans to buy more than one copy each of the single, he released three different versions. The flip-side of "Bunsen Burner – The Hit Mix" was a cover of "The House of the Rising Sun" recorded at Abbey Road Studios and featuring 900 of his fans on backing vocals, each of whom was credited by name on the single's sleeve.
"Buoyed by the success of the hit campaign, Otway planned an ambitious world tour in October 2006. Otway proposed hiring his own jet to take his band, and 300 of his fans, to some of the most prestigious venues in the world, including Carnegie Hall and Sydney Opera House. Despite over 150 fans signing up, the tour was cancelled as the costs of the plane spiralled." - Wikipedia
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