RE: New EU law could effectively ban motorsport
Discussion
People saying race teams will just stump up the cash, will they?
Think about it, this is third party liability insurance they're talking about. My race car is insured for racing sure (and its already very expensive), but only for damage done to my car. If I bump someone else mid race the insurance company would now be liable to pay for the repair to thier car, whatever they claim and any personal injury to them. Do you honestly think insurers are going to put forward a policy to cover that kind of potential claim?
Thats not to mention the fact that each race would have a number of incidents in which fault would need to be determined and a conclusion drawn as to liability. What if you race against some awkward git who's a bad loser and takes you to court on a whiplash claim?
All of this and thats not to mention all the lawn mowers, dirt bikes, boat etc that would now need mandatory insurance just to be used at all, anywhere. I learnt to drive in a scrap heap MOT failure in a field, that will all stop.
Oh and for those claiming this will be resolved, the MSA and others have been pushing for the wording to change since 2014 and it hasn't, and the vote to bring this in (always a good backstop so lobby MEP's) is scheduled for December which is where this renewed interest comes from.
I agree it's very unlikely that this will be allowed to affect motorsport but it doesn't mean it's not worth taking seriously. Nothing clickbaity about this article at all.
Think about it, this is third party liability insurance they're talking about. My race car is insured for racing sure (and its already very expensive), but only for damage done to my car. If I bump someone else mid race the insurance company would now be liable to pay for the repair to thier car, whatever they claim and any personal injury to them. Do you honestly think insurers are going to put forward a policy to cover that kind of potential claim?
Thats not to mention the fact that each race would have a number of incidents in which fault would need to be determined and a conclusion drawn as to liability. What if you race against some awkward git who's a bad loser and takes you to court on a whiplash claim?
All of this and thats not to mention all the lawn mowers, dirt bikes, boat etc that would now need mandatory insurance just to be used at all, anywhere. I learnt to drive in a scrap heap MOT failure in a field, that will all stop.
Oh and for those claiming this will be resolved, the MSA and others have been pushing for the wording to change since 2014 and it hasn't, and the vote to bring this in (always a good backstop so lobby MEP's) is scheduled for December which is where this renewed interest comes from.
I agree it's very unlikely that this will be allowed to affect motorsport but it doesn't mean it's not worth taking seriously. Nothing clickbaity about this article at all.
Jimbo89 said:
People saying race teams will just stump up the cash, will they?
Think about it, this is third party liability insurance they're talking about. My race car is insured for racing sure (and its already very expensive), but only for damage done to my car. If I bump someone else mid race the insurance company would now be liable to pay for the repair to thier car, whatever they claim and any personal injury to them. Do you honestly think insurers are going to put forward a policy to cover that kind of potential claim?
Thats not to mention the fact that each race would have a number of incidents in which fault would need to be determined and a conclusion drawn as to liability. What if you race against some awkward git who's a bad loser and takes you to court on a whiplash claim?
All of this and thats not to mention all the lawn mowers, dirt bikes, boat etc that would now need mandatory insurance just to be used at all, anywhere. I learnt to drive in a scrap heap MOT failure in a field, that will all stop.
Oh and for those claiming this will be resolved, the MSA and others have been pushing for the wording to change since 2014 and it hasn't, and the vote to bring this in (always a good backstop so lobby MEP's) is scheduled for December which is where this renewed interest comes from.
I agree it's very unlikely that this will be allowed to affect motorsport but it doesn't mean it's not worth taking seriously. Nothing clickbaity about this article at all.
For a start, the legislation states "Transport Activities" which no race car can ever be determined to be. Think about it, this is third party liability insurance they're talking about. My race car is insured for racing sure (and its already very expensive), but only for damage done to my car. If I bump someone else mid race the insurance company would now be liable to pay for the repair to thier car, whatever they claim and any personal injury to them. Do you honestly think insurers are going to put forward a policy to cover that kind of potential claim?
Thats not to mention the fact that each race would have a number of incidents in which fault would need to be determined and a conclusion drawn as to liability. What if you race against some awkward git who's a bad loser and takes you to court on a whiplash claim?
All of this and thats not to mention all the lawn mowers, dirt bikes, boat etc that would now need mandatory insurance just to be used at all, anywhere. I learnt to drive in a scrap heap MOT failure in a field, that will all stop.
Oh and for those claiming this will be resolved, the MSA and others have been pushing for the wording to change since 2014 and it hasn't, and the vote to bring this in (always a good backstop so lobby MEP's) is scheduled for December which is where this renewed interest comes from.
I agree it's very unlikely that this will be allowed to affect motorsport but it doesn't mean it's not worth taking seriously. Nothing clickbaity about this article at all.
The legislation isn't anywhere close to being adopted and people are losing their minds and believing nonsense articles like this which even in their own text contradict themselves.
This article is utter rubbish on many levels.
fblm said:
IforB said:
For a start, the legislation states "Transport Activities" which no race car can ever be determined to be.
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It's a pity the law Gazette doesn't share your confidence......
Jimbo89 said:
fblm said:
IforB said:
For a start, the legislation states "Transport Activities" which no race car can ever be determined to be.
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It's a pity the law Gazette doesn't share your confidence......
fblm said:
Indeed. It's not difficult is it, its right there a few posts up!
Absolutely. It's been spelt out pretty clearly that this is a very REAL threat and has had large organisations such as the MSA and MIA along with the Insurance industry working in the background for a few years now. Yet because it sounds crazy, lets just bumble along in denial.Im not sure i get the big picture here. Here in sweden there is a law stating you must have a motorsport 3rd party insurance to host any motor racing event or similar. Is this the same thing or is it something completely different? Its not that expensive, or our events here wouldnt be reasonably priced.
CedricN said:
Im not sure i get the big picture here. Here in sweden there is a law stating you must have a motorsport 3rd party insurance to host any motor racing event or similar. Is this the same thing or is it something completely different? Its not that expensive, or our events here wouldnt be reasonably priced.
That's the circuits nd clubs running the events, this is about the individual needing insurance too race.Oh dear... more EU totally insane one size fits all solution thinking... it increasingly feels like a combination of 1984 Big Brother and Stalinism
Obviously out UK public “servants” are no better with predatory law enforcement on speeding and emissions etc.
Makes my blood boil it does
Obviously out UK public “servants” are no better with predatory law enforcement on speeding and emissions etc.
Makes my blood boil it does
Firstly, woohoo I made the cover photo!... albeit blurred and in the far background
Secondly I wouldn’t describe this as click bait unless you trust the EU to give a s
t about Motorsport. The more negative coverage this turd of legislation gets, the less likely it is to cause us a problem.
Secondly I wouldn’t describe this as click bait unless you trust the EU to give a s
t about Motorsport. The more negative coverage this turd of legislation gets, the less likely it is to cause us a problem.if they demand insurance is in place, it doesnt actually have to be effective insurance does it? a simple scenario would be that all drivers pay £10 for a policy which fully covers them, but with a £100Billion excess. (it's basically an admin fee for the poor soul who has to type it all up.)
All drivers/teams also sign an agreement for each race/championship etc that formalises the current sitution and indemnifies other competitors (so if you stuff it into another, it's a racing incident as it is now).
rules made to be circumvented?
All drivers/teams also sign an agreement for each race/championship etc that formalises the current sitution and indemnifies other competitors (so if you stuff it into another, it's a racing incident as it is now).
rules made to be circumvented?
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