4wd or winter tyres, which is better?

4wd or winter tyres, which is better?

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BS62

1,971 posts

166 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Blatant OP troll is blatant.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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BS62 said:
Blatant OP troll is blatant.
I would agree.

1/10 for trolling

FWIW I bought Winter tyres for my M135i this year
I don't intent on using it much but given I only paid £300 for the tyres (Style 290's) with Pirelli Sottozero with around 5mm tread, can't complain.

NomduJour

19,099 posts

259 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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The 4WD traction advantage is obvious - it’s the stopping where you’ll find a problem.

slipstream 1985

12,220 posts

179 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Someone trying to big up their youtube channel.

Haltamer

2,455 posts

80 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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underwhelmist said:
42 minutes of the view through a windscreen at speeds of up to 25mph. It’s like an Andy Warhol film.
If the camera wasm't shaking so much, it would be rather soothing - a good way to ease off to sleep.

boxedin

1,353 posts

126 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
You missed out a pair of decent walking boots.
https://www.grivelgb.co.uk/products/crampons/?pp=All-1&price=&by=&&

you'll need crampons... question is, are you scaling frozen waterfalls or walking down a UK hill.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Depends if you have a Legacy Spec B. If you do then you don't need winter tyres and can drive through the artic, one handed (the other one no doubt between your legs).

And if you have a BMW, only an idiot would drive it in temperatures less than 20 degrees C. You will die in a fireball.

Where is Eric when you need him?

300bhp/ton

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41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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BS62 said:
Blatant OP troll is blatant.
Trolling for what? Surely talking cars and tyres is exactly the sort of thing to expect on a forum called General Gassing on PistonHeads.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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MDMA . said:
Tom_Spotley_When said:
coffee

I used to have a BMW M135i. I drove it in all weather in the tyres it came on. Including snow. I didn't die and I didn't crash and the world still turns. If I had it last year, during the 3 days of bad weather, I probably wouldn't have gone to work on those days. My boss, whilst irritated, would have understood.

I now have a VW Touareg. It has some tyres on it. I think they're Michelin, I'm not sure. I drove it in all weathers last year. Including snow at christmas and the Beast from the East. I didn't die, the car didn't burst into flames and no-one died. When the weather was really bad in March, I spent 2 hours getting to work and 2 hours getting home. 12 hours commuting in 3 days My boss was thrilled. I wasn't.

Before the BMW I had a Jaguar XJ8. It did countless journeys in all weathers between Edinburgh and Manchester on some tyres. I didn't die.

Before the Jaguar, I had an MX-5. When it snowed, I drove home from work sideways. When it snowed some more, I worked from home

Would I buy winter tyres? Yes, if I had a grand to spare on them. It'd be a nice luxury. Can I cope without them? Yes. Will I buy them in future? Maybe.

Is there a definitive answer about what's better? No, because different people have different requirements and better, in this instance, is a completely subjective concept.

Can we finally put this to bed? I really hope so.
You never mentioned if you died or not in the MX5.
I once drove my mk1 mx5 home from the Team Valley to Consett, which if you know the route is pretty hilly, in about a foot of freshly falling snow. It managed it just fine so long as you gave it a bootfull up the hills to maintain momentum and controlled the massive fishtailing, and then crawled down the hills at barely above walking pace. The only bit it didn't manage was up the steep driveway, it grounded out on the floorpan and slid to a halt at the bottom. It was great fun at the time - would I do it again? Yes. Would I want my wife to do it? No. Was it sensible? Well I had no choice at the time anyway other than sleep on the office floor, but it was so much fun so who cares. Quite a pucker-factor on the downhill bits mind...

Then I put proper snow tyres (on just the front axle shock horror) of a Honda Civic and it was unstoppable, it would just drive up hills that had stuck wheelspinning cars at the bottom. I left those on for years, I think they were still on when I sold the car, and they were just fine through all those summers too.

vikingaero

10,323 posts

169 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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The Nordic mantra is winter tyres first, 4wd second.

The creme de la creme would be a 4wd car on winters.

Pica-Pica

13,774 posts

84 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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vikingaero said:
The Nordic mantra is winter tyres first, 4wd second.

The creme de la creme would be a 4wd car on winters.
Define winter. Temperature, dry/wet, snow coverage.
We are not in Scandinavia either.

Davie

4,741 posts

215 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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NomduJour said:
The 4WD traction advantage is obvious - it’s the stopping where you’ll find a problem.
Nailed it!

4x4 certainly helps you get going and keep going but it does absolutely sod all when it comes to turning or stopping. I have an AWD car on 245 wide P-Zeros and it was utterly appalling last winter, borderline dangerous. I also had a 250bhp FWD car on all seasons and it simply drove rings round the other one.

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

163 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
Define winter. Temperature, dry/wet, snow coverage..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter

HTH...biggrin

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Im sure we will all agree after another 50 odd pages

slipstream 1985

12,220 posts

179 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Davie said:
NomduJour said:
The 4WD traction advantage is obvious - it’s the stopping where you’ll find a problem.
Nailed it!

4x4 certainly helps you get going and keep going but it does absolutely sod all when it comes to turning or stopping. I have an AWD car on 245 wide P-Zeros and it was utterly appalling last winter, borderline dangerous. I also had a 250bhp FWD car on all seasons and it simply drove rings round the other one.
Was that because it had stopped?

skyrover

12,671 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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The Land rover on salty roads made me cringe

Plans for a new chassis? smile

Leon R

3,206 posts

96 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Scootersp said:
For me pecking order is

4wd and winter tyres (different diff's and 4wd types will give some capability range within this group)
2wd with Winter tyres
4wd with non winter tyres
2wd (fwd) with non winter tyres
2wd (rwd) with non winter tyres
+1

BS62

1,971 posts

166 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
BS62 said:
Blatant OP troll is blatant.
Trolling for what? Surely talking cars and tyres is exactly the sort of thing to expect on a forum called General Gassing on PistonHeads.
Your logic is infallible. Carry on.

(The answer is winter tyres btw.
Had an X3 on pzeros which got caught in snow and went and turned with no problems, dealing with some impressive depths, but required frightening stopping distances. Also had an MX5 which I put on winter tyres and which dealt with even worse conditions with the added benefit of being able to stop....apart from that one time, but we won’t talk about that.
Therefore since 4WD only allows for movement, and winter tyres allow for movement AND stopping, winter tyres are better).

<Cue electronic AWD is not 4WD argument>


Mandalore

4,211 posts

113 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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BS62 said:
Blatant OP troll is blatant.
The only troll here is yourself.

You BMW fanboys are all the same.

f1nn

2,693 posts

192 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Well that didn’t take long, it’s starting already....