RE: New BMW M8 details revealed
Discussion
Zetec-S said:
ntiz said:
Am I the only one that thinks this is just the new M6 with a different badges?
Doesn’t seem like it is anything that new.
It would have been cool to be a shooting brake.
No, I'm with you there.Doesn’t seem like it is anything that new.
It would have been cool to be a shooting brake.
Have BMW just canned the 6 series/M6 name and called the replacement an 8 series/M8...?
Robert-nszl1 said:
Chestrockwell said:
My mistake, I forgot these were on sale but even still, what would you rather have?
I’d like to say the Lexus as it is a nice looking car, very distinctive and will age well but I wouldn’t want an NA V8 engine in a GT car such as this, with all that weight.
Or indeed a Panamera, or even a 911 or DB11....it's interesting the M6 used to be judged against the 911 and the Vantage if one goes back to the Isle of Man Top Gear episode. The problem with this BMW is that by calling it the M8 is that while it looks like an M6 continuation, it is now punching towards cars that are truly premium products like the S coupe. I am in a position to buy a car like this having owned a (used) Conti GT and numerous 911s both new and used. I am the happy owner of a 5 series estate, and Mini cooper S, so I'm not averse to BMW products, but this would never feature. Hard to put my finger on it, but on the basis my requirement for rear seats is only occasional I'd almost certainly get a 911 or DB11. They look better, and almost certainly drive better than this. I always had a soft spot for the old CLs, and if you want a big cruiser, the Merc is likely to be a better bet I suspect. Will have the toys and is certainly way better looking. The Conti GT was amazing in it's own way, but was seriously unreliable, and I'd never go back to the brand having had appalling service via the manufacturers warranty, but that's another story... I’d like to say the Lexus as it is a nice looking car, very distinctive and will age well but I wouldn’t want an NA V8 engine in a GT car such as this, with all that weight.
I know there are those that criticise the apparent 'hate' on this site, but can anyone hand in heart say this, or indeed the Z4 on the other thread are anything other than an acquired taste at best? With £100k in your pocket, there is a lot of choice, especially if you can cope with a car a year or two old (indeed you'd be mad not to given the depreciation of some of these cars) and I can't help but think the sales of this will be rather less than the M6 that preceded it.
Indeed ancient as it is, I'd still even include the Maserati GT. It may not have the power or the kit of the Beemer, but it still looks beautiful, sounds amazing, and is just special....
Edited by Robert-nszl1 on Saturday 10th November 20:10
I also own a 5 series estate and a Mini Coopers S after a host of 911s. Just sold a Maserati MC Stradale which will give you the best noise and driving experience from a heavy GT car, this side of £100k. I changed the Stradale for an FF which is an amazing thing and IMHO blows the socks off any lardy M car, irrespective of which is faster round the Ring or whatever Top Trumps benchmark people deem important. The M6 sold quite well because BMW are in the business of milking their brand and so they bang them out the door on £699 a month deals. Give it a year and they'll being doing the same with the M8. It's a lot of car for that money but it's not a special car, with a soul and a personality. BMW are experts in understanding what needs to built as halo models in order to sell 1 series M Sports by the boatload. Porsche are also masters of this.
Good job they're depreciate faster than the pound post-Brexit so I can buy one as a daily in 4 or 5 years from now for £20k.
Mackofthejungle said:
BMW lost the plot years ago.
Looking at this graph for their share price, it would appear BMW has not lost the plot. At all.
Mackofthejungle said:
And yeah, this is just a 6 series replacement, and nobody liked that so lets not get excited about a different number some chump in marketing decided to use.
Well, nobody likes GT cars in general so the fact that in the USA, for example, sales were up from last year shows they're not doing so bad:-
athol said:
Interesting post which I agree with almost entirely. Not something I usually say when reading PH threads !!
I also own a 5 series estate and a Mini Coopers S after a host of 911s. Just sold a Maserati MC Stradale which will give you the best noise and driving experience from a heavy GT car, this side of £100k. I changed the Stradale for an FF which is an amazing thing and IMHO blows the socks off any lardy M car, irrespective of which is faster round the Ring or whatever Top Trumps benchmark people deem important. The M6 sold quite well because BMW are in the business of milking their brand and so they bang them out the door on £699 a month deals. Give it a year and they'll being doing the same with the M8. It's a lot of car for that money but it's not a special car, with a soul and a personality. BMW are experts in understanding what needs to built as halo models in order to sell 1 series M Sports by the boatload. Porsche are also masters of this.
Good job they're depreciate faster than the pound post-Brexit so I can buy one as a daily in 4 or 5 years from now for £20k.
Really? An FF would be over double this plus options when new...who would of thought it that a V12 200k plus car was better than one with a twin turbo V8 at about half that....I also own a 5 series estate and a Mini Coopers S after a host of 911s. Just sold a Maserati MC Stradale which will give you the best noise and driving experience from a heavy GT car, this side of £100k. I changed the Stradale for an FF which is an amazing thing and IMHO blows the socks off any lardy M car, irrespective of which is faster round the Ring or whatever Top Trumps benchmark people deem important. The M6 sold quite well because BMW are in the business of milking their brand and so they bang them out the door on £699 a month deals. Give it a year and they'll being doing the same with the M8. It's a lot of car for that money but it's not a special car, with a soul and a personality. BMW are experts in understanding what needs to built as halo models in order to sell 1 series M Sports by the boatload. Porsche are also masters of this.
Good job they're depreciate faster than the pound post-Brexit so I can buy one as a daily in 4 or 5 years from now for £20k.
DB11 and conti GT for some would probably be in a similar ballpark as well as this. But I suspect it could all down to options as well.
People on here need a reality check in regards to financing because I suspect that it is far from just bmw that play the financing game on models....And that applies to the higher end brands as well.
In regards price drops bmw rarely sell cars at list so let us tear that nonsense up now...
Ninja59 said:
athol said:
Interesting post which I agree with almost entirely. Not something I usually say when reading PH threads !!
I also own a 5 series estate and a Mini Coopers S after a host of 911s. Just sold a Maserati MC Stradale which will give you the best noise and driving experience from a heavy GT car, this side of £100k. I changed the Stradale for an FF which is an amazing thing and IMHO blows the socks off any lardy M car, irrespective of which is faster round the Ring or whatever Top Trumps benchmark people deem important. The M6 sold quite well because BMW are in the business of milking their brand and so they bang them out the door on £699 a month deals. Give it a year and they'll being doing the same with the M8. It's a lot of car for that money but it's not a special car, with a soul and a personality. BMW are experts in understanding what needs to built as halo models in order to sell 1 series M Sports by the boatload. Porsche are also masters of this.
Good job they're depreciate faster than the pound post-Brexit so I can buy one as a daily in 4 or 5 years from now for £20k.
Really? An FF would be over double this plus options when new...who would of thought it that a V12 200k plus car was better than one with a twin turbo V8 at about half that....I also own a 5 series estate and a Mini Coopers S after a host of 911s. Just sold a Maserati MC Stradale which will give you the best noise and driving experience from a heavy GT car, this side of £100k. I changed the Stradale for an FF which is an amazing thing and IMHO blows the socks off any lardy M car, irrespective of which is faster round the Ring or whatever Top Trumps benchmark people deem important. The M6 sold quite well because BMW are in the business of milking their brand and so they bang them out the door on £699 a month deals. Give it a year and they'll being doing the same with the M8. It's a lot of car for that money but it's not a special car, with a soul and a personality. BMW are experts in understanding what needs to built as halo models in order to sell 1 series M Sports by the boatload. Porsche are also masters of this.
Good job they're depreciate faster than the pound post-Brexit so I can buy one as a daily in 4 or 5 years from now for £20k.
DB11 and conti GT for some would probably be in a similar ballpark as well as this. But I suspect it could all down to options as well.
People on here need a reality check in regards to financing because I suspect that it is far from just bmw that play the financing game on models....And that applies to the higher end brands as well.
In regards price drops bmw rarely sell cars at list so let us tear that nonsense up now...
My post didn't mean to compare an FF with an M8, i appreciate why you may have read it that way. The main point was simply to say that IMHO, these heavy M cars don't have the same soul as so many other cars. That's not a price thing, by the way. Lotus, Alpine, Ferrari, Lambo (Urus aside) are building cars that stir emotions, the M8 doesn't do that for me. Before you jump down my throat, I've owned an e46 m3 CSL, z3mc, z4mc and an F10 M5 so I really can say this, from a personal perspective. I know what they discount new cars by too, I've bought 2 new cars from BMW and got substantial sums off both.
My opinion, whether valid to you or not, is my prerogative to have. As is yours. And it's not from a position of naivety, I'm not a 17 year old kid with my Mum's old Corsa. BMW know precisely what they're doing making these cars and how that slots into the grand scheme of things. I take my hat off to them for that however the downside is that the ownership experience has become less special and eventually, that is likely to counter-productive for them.
va1o said:
Looks pretty awesome! Wasn't there a bit of chat this might've got the 6.6-litre twin turbo V12 from the M760il?
EDIT: Just seen a couple of posters have already mentioned the same
Afraid not. It’s too heavy as if that’s an issue these days. EDIT: Just seen a couple of posters have already mentioned the same
For me i’d Rather have an AMG GT. they look very nice
Honeywell said:
Two tons, huge power, hige grip, not much steering feel, auto only, turbo, tedium machine that will lose £20k a year for the first two years,
What is the bloody point?
Erm, maybe, just maybe, it'll make a very good daily driver with lots of creature comforts with a quick turn of pace? It's a big GT car.... See Aston Martin DB11 Bentley CGT, Mercedes S63 etc. What is the bloody point?
All of those are wonderful cars (admittedly all of probably own over this, but I'm sure this would make a fantastic GT daily driver). You moan about auto only.... You are aware of the point of this sort of car, aren't you? I don't mean to cause any offence, although if you think it should have a manual, be lightweight etc then I'm thinking possibly not?
Another 'super coupe' to depreciate like a lead balloon just like the S-class coupe. Audi have shown a class product in the R8 - if you are going to make a fast car - do it properly aka mid or rear engined and two wheel drive (or the Audi R8 rear biased four wheel drive) all you have here is an M6 replacement and that also dropped in value like a lead balloon - funny that, no prizes for guessing what will happen here - stick to a Porsche 911 - all of them are great ownership propositions including the Porsche 996 once sorted.
You know I was just on the A35 review and noticed it’s weight of 1555 kg.
When I saw this was 2 tonnes, I also thought, wow that’s a heavy car but is it? A small hatchback only weighs 500 kilos less which isn’t a lot considering the 8 series, long wide luxurious GT car with a twin turbo V8, AWD with lots of tech etc etc.
It has 25% more weight than an A35 but has 100% more power. I think cars getting heavier can’t be helped any more but you have got to give it to them for putting all that power into it!
When I saw this was 2 tonnes, I also thought, wow that’s a heavy car but is it? A small hatchback only weighs 500 kilos less which isn’t a lot considering the 8 series, long wide luxurious GT car with a twin turbo V8, AWD with lots of tech etc etc.
It has 25% more weight than an A35 but has 100% more power. I think cars getting heavier can’t be helped any more but you have got to give it to them for putting all that power into it!
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