RE: BMW reveals 374hp M340i ahead of LA show
Discussion
Ares said:
...and I've not attacked a single person? Nor being poverty stricken? How do you draw that conclusion?
So much combativeness from a shill, with such poor memory ...Ares said:
Once again TwinExit, you miss the point. Whatever 'purchase' method people use is utterly irrelevant - it is they that create the new car sales and it is they that BMW care about, not a beard that wants to buy the car for 50p and a conker when it's 15yrs old.
Ares said:
Beards don't want/can't afford brand new sports saloons. Beards want a 'classic 5-15yr old 'proper' saloon and an MX5.
This car isnt the answer to everything, but it ticks a lot of boxes for whoever can afford it to buy or lease it, obviously if they lease it they must be vain and narcissistic paupers living hand to mouth in a "executive" new build on a new estate, not like the landed gentry with 15 year old "interesting" cars.
Of course, their "interesting" cars, werent all that interesting when new, they have to mature and get a bit knackered before they can countenance purchasing one, as of course, it isnt due to the budgetary aspects, it is because they are canny and secure in the knowledge that every interesting car has already been made, its all s
t now, mainly because of screens on the dashboard it seems.
Rinse and repeat, in 10 years or so, the 340i will be hot property at under ten grand, plus all those icky finance showoff people have long since moved on to newer and better stuff so its ok to like it now, now its not new, its a proper honest to goodness old style BMW with a six cylinder engine.
I find it perfectly possible to appreciate older cars and new ones, there is some fantastic kit available now, like this.
Of course, their "interesting" cars, werent all that interesting when new, they have to mature and get a bit knackered before they can countenance purchasing one, as of course, it isnt due to the budgetary aspects, it is because they are canny and secure in the knowledge that every interesting car has already been made, its all s
t now, mainly because of screens on the dashboard it seems.Rinse and repeat, in 10 years or so, the 340i will be hot property at under ten grand, plus all those icky finance showoff people have long since moved on to newer and better stuff so its ok to like it now, now its not new, its a proper honest to goodness old style BMW with a six cylinder engine.
I find it perfectly possible to appreciate older cars and new ones, there is some fantastic kit available now, like this.
TwinExit said:
Ares said:
...and I've not attacked a single person? Nor being poverty stricken? How do you draw that conclusion?
So much combativeness from a shill, with such poor memory ...Ares said:
Once again TwinExit, you miss the point. Whatever 'purchase' method people use is utterly irrelevant - it is they that create the new car sales and it is they that BMW care about, not a beard that wants to buy the car for 50p and a conker when it's 15yrs old.
Ares said:
Beards don't want/can't afford brand new sports saloons. Beards want a 'classic 5-15yr old 'proper' saloon and an MX5.
Saying Don't Want/Can't Afford isn't an attack or a suggestion of being poverty stricken?? A lot of people can't afford and/or don't want a £50k Sports Saloon. In fact, the millions of people that don't have a 340i don't have one for one of the two reasons?? Christ there are plenty of cars that I'd love but can't afford.
And the beards on here (i.e., old school car enthusiasts) are exceptionally vocal about their preference for their E39s/E36s...and will repeatedly state that for the cost of a new repmobile, drivers would be better of with a XXyr old £100k car and a XXyr old drivers car.
None of the above is in anyway derogatory?
Calling me a shill on the other hand is....! Careful in your glass house.
J4CKO said:
This car isnt the answer to everything, but it ticks a lot of boxes for whoever can afford it to buy or lease it, obviously if they lease it they must be vain and narcissistic paupers living hand to mouth in a "executive" new build on a new estate, not like the landed gentry with 15 year old "interesting" cars.
Of course, their "interesting" cars, werent all that interesting when new, they have to mature and get a bit knackered before they can countenance purchasing one, as of course, it isnt due to the budgetary aspects, it is because they are canny and secure in the knowledge that every interesting car has already been made, its all st now, mainly because of screens on the dashboard it seems.
Rinse and repeat, in 10 years or so, the 340i will be hot property at under ten grand, plus all those icky finance showoff people have long since moved on to newer and better stuff so its ok to like it now, now its not new, its a proper honest to goodness old style BMW with a six cylinder engine.
I find it perfectly possible to appreciate older cars and new ones, there is some fantastic kit available now, like this.
Exactly Of course, their "interesting" cars, werent all that interesting when new, they have to mature and get a bit knackered before they can countenance purchasing one, as of course, it isnt due to the budgetary aspects, it is because they are canny and secure in the knowledge that every interesting car has already been made, its all s
t now, mainly because of screens on the dashboard it seems.Rinse and repeat, in 10 years or so, the 340i will be hot property at under ten grand, plus all those icky finance showoff people have long since moved on to newer and better stuff so its ok to like it now, now its not new, its a proper honest to goodness old style BMW with a six cylinder engine.
I find it perfectly possible to appreciate older cars and new ones, there is some fantastic kit available now, like this.
Ares said:
I agree.....but the market doesn't. Otherwise the Veloce would sell more than the 330i/340i
And it's a shame it doesn't because the Veloce is a damned good car. I had one for around two months before my 440 and in my opinion it was far superior to drive. Lighter, grippier, and had real character to it.Put a smile on my face every time I drove it, but unfortunately that time was quite limited as it spent most of the time at the Alfa dealer.
Once the beemer is due to go I'll be snooping around Beechdale Alfa again ... Or getting one of these.
carparkno1 said:
I never get tired of people bhing that pcp is a perpetual car prison and people can't afford to buy cars outright. You just crack on with your 15yr old £800 Lexus that you swear is the holy grail.
Agreed - this new 340 looks just the job to replace my 430 when the PCP is up in the summer, if the monthlies stack up. hing that pcp is a perpetual car prison and people can't afford to buy cars outright. You just crack on with your 15yr old £800 Lexus that you swear is the holy grail.
abzmike said:
carparkno1 said:
I never get tired of people bhing that pcp is a perpetual car prison and people can't afford to buy cars outright. You just crack on with your 15yr old £800 Lexus that you swear is the holy grail.
Agreed - this new 340 looks just the job to replace my 430 when the PCP is up in the summer, if the monthlies stack up. hing that pcp is a perpetual car prison and people can't afford to buy cars outright. You just crack on with your 15yr old £800 Lexus that you swear is the holy grail.I'm about to get a 440i for myself on the huge impulse promotion they have right now but that'll be a terrible idea as well it seems.
Maybe, just maybe, not everyone in pcp deals "can't afford the car". It's almost as if you shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush eh! 😁
TwinExit said:
Some cars sell on the basis of desirability and merit, others cars work their way into buyers driveways because the alternative is to jump to another brand of car they can afford and suffer the full cost of the outgoing PCP agreement on the old BMW, or mitigate this by stretching up to a bigger model, aided by dealer incentive discounts.
The 340i falls into the latter sales channel.
Is this a forum to discuss cars of interest, or is it to praise product that makes 'good business sense' by major car manufacturers?
With respect, I'm not the one who brought finance into it, and then made a crass generalisation about the circumstances of everyone who finances a new BMW. I also still don't understand this "full cost" thing. Do you actually know how a PCP works? There is NO cost to getting out of a PCP if you've satisfied the agreement, other than the deposit and the monthly instalments that you have paid, these being known and documented up front before the agreement is signed. If the PCP values the car at £12k at the end, and the true market value is 47p, the finance company takes that hit, not the punter (as long as the car is in acceptable condition, of course)The 340i falls into the latter sales channel.
Is this a forum to discuss cars of interest, or is it to praise product that makes 'good business sense' by major car manufacturers?
With money being so cheap at the moment, the amount payable over the term equates to roughly the cash equivalent of the depreciation if you were getting out of the car after the same time period, or the payments you would have made on a lease. Incentivising people to sign up for a new car, and forcing them to do so are NOT the same thing, however much you spin it that way.
I am also very keen to understand which cars you refer to that sell on desirability and merit, and not PCP, given that ALL mainstream manufacturers operate a similar finance model to BMW. Most people choose the car, then the finance arrangements, not the other way round.
Edited by Limpet on Friday 16th November 22:39
Limpet said:
I am also very keen to understand which cars you refer to that sell on desirability and merit, and not PCP, given that ALL mainstream manufacturers operate a similar finance model to BMW. Most people choose the car, then the finance arrangements, not the other way round.
That sounds like a loaded question so the answer will probably end in off, as it's simpler than to explain a rationale that doesn't exist when his narrow and incomprehensible viewpoint is probably motivated by a chip on the shoulder based on the constant reference to pcp. I don't find a 996 interesting in the slightest, the way it turns in is soporific in my experience, particularly on track but I wouldn't dream of making judgement on other people choices as they can be very subjective and really have nothing to do with an alledged lack of car enthusiasm nor a propensity for a particular way of paying for depreciation . stuart_83 said:
Ares said:
I agree.....but the market doesn't. Otherwise the Veloce would sell more than the 330i/340i
And it's a shame it doesn't because the Veloce is a damned good car. I had one for around two months before my 440 and in my opinion it was far superior to drive. Lighter, grippier, and had real character to it.Put a smile on my face every time I drove it, but unfortunately that time was quite limited as it spent most of the time at the Alfa dealer.
Once the beemer is due to go I'll be snooping around Beechdale Alfa again ... Or getting one of these.
carparkno1 said:
It's funny, we bought our car outright at the end of the pcp because it was so good. We also live in a new build. Apparently I'm doing it wrong.
I'm about to get a 440i for myself on the huge impulse promotion they have right now but that'll be a terrible idea as well it seems.
Maybe, just maybe, not everyone in pcp deals "can't afford the car". It's almost as if you shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush eh! ??
It's pure ignorance that leaves people slagging off those who 'buy' via PCP or lease. The best deals are cheaper than cash.I'm about to get a 440i for myself on the huge impulse promotion they have right now but that'll be a terrible idea as well it seems.
Maybe, just maybe, not everyone in pcp deals "can't afford the car". It's almost as if you shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush eh! ??
Not sure what people are finding so offensive about the dials? OK they're not round anymore and are digital, but they still use the same colour scheme and the screen isn't anywhere near as busy as Audi's cockpit thingy with its Google Maps. I actually looked at it and thought it looked very simple.
That said, I'm a techie type, so actually kinda wish you could get full Google Maps on it.
I also don't see what's up with the exhausts? Sure, the tips are much larger than the tubing behind them, but I think they look good and make the car look more muscular. In fact, the rear of the car doesn't offend me at all.
The front, on the other hand. What the heck is going on with that front bumper? Far too fussy and I don't like how it appears higher in the middle than at the sides. I don't mind the funny grille and copper accents, though I think grilles are getting too big on cars and it does look a little odd now that it's a single piece, rather than two separate grilles.
I'd drive it though. I suspect it'll be a great "do it all" car. Relaxed and comfortable when you want to waft and decently savage when you want to press on, all with the security of AWD to tame the UK's wet roads.
That said, I'm a techie type, so actually kinda wish you could get full Google Maps on it.
I also don't see what's up with the exhausts? Sure, the tips are much larger than the tubing behind them, but I think they look good and make the car look more muscular. In fact, the rear of the car doesn't offend me at all.
The front, on the other hand. What the heck is going on with that front bumper? Far too fussy and I don't like how it appears higher in the middle than at the sides. I don't mind the funny grille and copper accents, though I think grilles are getting too big on cars and it does look a little odd now that it's a single piece, rather than two separate grilles.
I'd drive it though. I suspect it'll be a great "do it all" car. Relaxed and comfortable when you want to waft and decently savage when you want to press on, all with the security of AWD to tame the UK's wet roads.
I like my 335xd f30 as an all-round family car that’s not dull to drive or too slow to not get on on country roads.
But an ultimate driving machine it isn’t.
No matter what you do to it, it’s automatic, turbo, 4wd and heavy, and ultimately designed for everyday plonkers to drive around in quickly.
It’ll be better than many other cars agreed.
But still a piece of turd compared to a V8 M3 or even just a decent hot saloon or hatch from a generation or two ago with a nasp engine and manual gearbox.
But an ultimate driving machine it isn’t.
No matter what you do to it, it’s automatic, turbo, 4wd and heavy, and ultimately designed for everyday plonkers to drive around in quickly.
It’ll be better than many other cars agreed.
But still a piece of turd compared to a V8 M3 or even just a decent hot saloon or hatch from a generation or two ago with a nasp engine and manual gearbox.
Love JDM said:
How about people in their £18,000 Lexus that know it's the holy grail? 
Ooooof that's good! I had the diesel version, lovely place to be but awful gearbox. THAT on the other hand is the business, you are definitely doing it right! I've ordered a 440i coupe, financially it makes sense - great offers, it has the same b58 engine, and is a lot cleaner to look at.
I think an early LCI on this new car could sort those kidney grilles out and it'll be fine. Absolute beast looking at those specs!
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