RE: Next Audi RS7 caught testing; expect 650hp
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borat52 said:
redroadster said:
No wonder Tesla is doing well ,Dinasour .
VAG made €14bn profit in 2017Tesla lost $2bn in 2017
I’m not sure that qualifies as “doing well” to most.
You’ll see a fully electric Audi if/when the finances add up.
If Tesla are supplying batteries for VAG it could look a very different picture.
As for Audi waiting for the finances to add up before launching their EV - they’re not that canny unfortunately.
Truth is they got swept away by their Diesel domination and took their eye off the electric ball. They are way behind where they need to be and are frantically playing catch up.
Audi always prided themselves on their advanced engineering and technology (Vorsprung Durch Technik means: leaping ahead through technology) but they have been caught with their pants down.
If they had a competitive EV offering ready now they would be agressively punting it globally - especially post dieselgate.
You’re faith in the all conquering VAG is misplaced (in this instance).
borat52 said:
redroadster said:
No wonder Tesla is doing well ,Dinasour .
VAG made €14bn profit in 2017Tesla lost $2bn in 2017
I’m not sure that qualifies as “doing well” to most.
You’ll see a fully electric Audi if/when the finances add up.
j90gta said:
This whole thing of stupid power outputs is getting ridiculous. Who actually needs 650 hp in a 4-door vehicle, be it a saloon, coupe or SUV? Why can't all these manufacturers look at building cars with better power to weight ratios. All these headline grabbing power outputs are probably necessary because cars and their occupants are getting bigger and heavier. I'd be more impressed if someone came up with a lightweight vehicle with less power but with equivalent performance. Just bolting on bigger turbos is not the answer.
A “pistonhead” moaning about too much power, I’m going for a sit down and a strong cup of tea
j90gta said:
This whole thing of stupid power outputs is getting ridiculous. Who actually needs 650 hp in a 4-door vehicle, be it a saloon, coupe or SUV? Why can't all these manufacturers look at building cars with better power to weight ratios. All these headline grabbing power outputs are probably necessary because cars and their occupants are getting bigger and heavier. I'd be more impressed if someone came up with a lightweight vehicle with less power but with equivalent performance. Just bolting on bigger turbos is not the answer.
Big luxury Saloons are going to be heavier. More Power the better for me. Or should I say, low down Torque if possible. Put a massive smile on your face really early in the rev range, then back off & enjoy the Comfort this type of car is designed for. 
Escort3500 said:
borat52 said:
redroadster said:
No wonder Tesla is doing well ,Dinasour .
VAG made €14bn profit in 2017Tesla lost $2bn in 2017
I’m not sure that qualifies as “doing well” to most.
You’ll see a fully electric Audi if/when the finances add up.
Also, comparing Tesla to VAG as companies is frankly ridiculous. VAG have 12 brands and must be 100+ models across them, having started over 80 years ago.
RumbleOfThunder said:
God Audi are w
k. MBQ shared platform ste used by Skoda, primary market clueless flash bd while knowing nothing about cars wkers.
MBQ platform sk. MBQ shared platform ste used by Skoda, primary market clueless flash bd while knowing nothing about cars wkers.te shared by Skoda? Alright, I'll bite; let's deal with this ignorance:-Firstly, it's called MQB, designed by VW for smaller cars with transversely mounted engines and front/4-wheel drivetrains (so not used by Audi for the A7) and at a reported development cost of around $50 billion over four years, using minds far smarter than yours, I wouldn't call it s
te...Secondly, the 6-7 'platforms' VW currently uses aren't really platforms at all but more a toolkit of different modules that can be used in combination to create a model (with a few fixed points, the pedal box, windscreen rake angle and the distance between the firewall/front wheel axle line being the ones I know of in the case of MQB); VW doesn't have to use the same materials for construction nor the same dimensions/proportions across different models if it doesn't want to.
Finally, the current A7 uses MLB (developed by Audi themselves) and as the article said, this new RS7 probably will use MSB (developed by Porsche) - no Skoda has ever used either MLB or MSB as these are both for large, rear/4-wheel drive models with longitudinally mounted engines within the VW group.
sidesauce said:
BQ platform ste shared by Skoda? Alright, I'll bite; let's deal with this ignorance:-
Firstly, it's called MQB, designed by VW for smaller cars with transversely mounted engines and front/4-wheel drivetrains (so not used by Audi for the A7) and at a reported development cost of around $50 billion over four years, using minds far smarter than yours, I wouldn't call it ste...
Secondly, the 6-7 'platforms' VW currently uses aren't really platforms at all but more a toolkit of different modules that can be used in combination to create a model (with a few fixed points, the pedal box, windscreen rake angle and the distance between the firewall/front wheel axle line being the ones I know of in the case of MQB); VW doesn't have to use the same materials for construction nor the same dimensions/proportions across different models if it doesn't want to.
Finally, the current A7 uses MLB (developed by Audi themselves) and as the article said, this new RS7 probably will use MSB (developed by Porsche) - no Skoda has ever used either MLB or MSB as these are both for large, rear/4-wheel drive models with longitudinally mounted engines within the VW group.
This is a genuine question borne out of interest and not an attempt to have a go at your description - what platform does the A6 use? As I think I’m right in saying that it’s FWD in its basic form, whereas the A7 is always Quattro. I had always assumed they used the same platform but now thinking I may be wrong there. te shared by Skoda? Alright, I'll bite; let's deal with this ignorance:-Firstly, it's called MQB, designed by VW for smaller cars with transversely mounted engines and front/4-wheel drivetrains (so not used by Audi for the A7) and at a reported development cost of around $50 billion over four years, using minds far smarter than yours, I wouldn't call it s
te...Secondly, the 6-7 'platforms' VW currently uses aren't really platforms at all but more a toolkit of different modules that can be used in combination to create a model (with a few fixed points, the pedal box, windscreen rake angle and the distance between the firewall/front wheel axle line being the ones I know of in the case of MQB); VW doesn't have to use the same materials for construction nor the same dimensions/proportions across different models if it doesn't want to.
Finally, the current A7 uses MLB (developed by Audi themselves) and as the article said, this new RS7 probably will use MSB (developed by Porsche) - no Skoda has ever used either MLB or MSB as these are both for large, rear/4-wheel drive models with longitudinally mounted engines within the VW group.
Pistonheads said:
Heavily camouflaged though it may be in our spy shots...
Is it heavily camouflaged, or just a patterned wrap? Looks pretty much the finished article to me, and as it's due for launch in late 2019, it'll already be 99% complete. The standard 4.0 V8 will allegedly produce 650PS, and the hybrid 700PS, as rumoured in the German press.JamesRR said:
This is a genuine question borne out of interest and not an attempt to have a go at your description - what platform does the A6 use? As I think I’m right in saying that it’s FWD in its basic form, whereas the A7 is always Quattro. I had always assumed they used the same platform but now thinking I may be wrong there.
The very newest A6 uses the MLB Evo or 2nd generation MLB architecture - interestingly, one of the good things about this evolved version is that it finally brings to an end Audi's oft-critised penchant for a long engine overhang in front of the front axle line.ReaperCushions said:
Apart from the profit it just made... but don't let that get in the way of a good moan against Tesla.
Also, comparing Tesla to VAG as companies is frankly ridiculous. VAG have 12 brands and must be 100+ models across them, having started over 80 years ago.
We'll see, Tesla have posted a single quarter of profit if they back that up across an entire year I'll certainly give them praise.Also, comparing Tesla to VAG as companies is frankly ridiculous. VAG have 12 brands and must be 100+ models across them, having started over 80 years ago.
The OP compared Tesla to VAG, and their market cap is similar so the comparison is fair.
I think what you have highlighted is how absurd that market cap could well be, it's very hard to see how a relatively low volume manufacturer can win out without being part of a wider group with access to common parts / R&D.
If Tesla become sustainably profitable it will be an incredible achievement, not only because they are electric but they will have created a relatively low volume car manufacturer from scratch which works while the entire industry has been merging for economies of scale.
sidesauce said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
God Audi are wk. MBQ shared platform ste used by Skoda, primary market clueless flash bd while knowing nothing about cars wkers.
MBQ platform sk. MBQ shared platform ste used by Skoda, primary market clueless flash bd while knowing nothing about cars wkers.te shared by Skoda? Alright, I'll bite; let's deal with this ignorance:-Firstly, it's called MQB, designed by VW for smaller cars with transversely mounted engines and front/4-wheel drivetrains (so not used by Audi for the A7) and at a reported development cost of around $50 billion over four years, using minds far smarter than yours, I wouldn't call it s
te...Secondly, the 6-7 'platforms' VW currently uses aren't really platforms at all but more a toolkit of different modules that can be used in combination to create a model (with a few fixed points, the pedal box, windscreen rake angle and the distance between the firewall/front wheel axle line being the ones I know of in the case of MQB); VW doesn't have to use the same materials for construction nor the same dimensions/proportions across different models if it doesn't want to.
Finally, the current A7 uses MLB (developed by Audi themselves) and as the article said, this new RS7 probably will use MSB (developed by Porsche) - no Skoda has ever used either MLB or MSB as these are both for large, rear/4-wheel drive models with longitudinally mounted engines within the VW group.
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