RE: Subaru announces WRX STI Diamond Edition
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They just look so early 90's now, maybe in another 20 years they'll look retro cool, but currently they just look a bit silly.
Said as an ex WRX, STi, Legacy Spec B owner.
Also, even if it went and looked like a Ferrari for half the price, I'd never put another penny into supporting anything that those utter turds at International Motors are involved in, what a shower they are/were.
Said as an ex WRX, STi, Legacy Spec B owner.
Also, even if it went and looked like a Ferrari for half the price, I'd never put another penny into supporting anything that those utter turds at International Motors are involved in, what a shower they are/were.
People comparing how fast or slow the current sti is to ones made ~20 years ago is irrelevant surely? Given the vast differences in crash safety standards and ncap ratings, meaning modern cars have to be much bigger and heavier to accomodate all these safety features.
I’d say its a testament to just how good the impreza was back then rather than them going off the boil.
Subaru don’t make super lightweight performance cars with just speed in mind probably because there just isn’t the market for them. Subaru always was a bit of a niche brand and a very small cult following of impreza enthusiasts.
Why buy a car with no sound deadening, harsh suspension, no touchscreens, parking aids, cruise etc. All for the sake of maybe 0.5 seconds off a 0-60 when you could have it all in say a golf r or a45 and a smidgen slower in 0-60?
Thats my opinion anyway, shoot me down if you like.
I’d say its a testament to just how good the impreza was back then rather than them going off the boil.
Subaru don’t make super lightweight performance cars with just speed in mind probably because there just isn’t the market for them. Subaru always was a bit of a niche brand and a very small cult following of impreza enthusiasts.
Why buy a car with no sound deadening, harsh suspension, no touchscreens, parking aids, cruise etc. All for the sake of maybe 0.5 seconds off a 0-60 when you could have it all in say a golf r or a45 and a smidgen slower in 0-60?
Thats my opinion anyway, shoot me down if you like.
BlackPrince said:
The Focus RS might be and probably is better to drive, but the other two certainly aren't. The Golf R is slower, and even the RS isn't that much quicker, and the RS' interior feels even cheaper than the Subaru's.
If your 1999 RB5 is as fast as this car, then its also as fast as the Focus RS then, and the Golf R. The A45 AMG is £10k more than the Subaru - a full 30% price difference (the difference between a Cayman and a 911 I might add, or a 911 Turbo S and a 488GTB)
The RS is a full second faster to 60mph than the WRX STi and the Golf R DSG is a similar pace although for me auto boxes are not fun. The RS interior certainly looks and feels much better than the Subaru with more modern tech/infotainment and better seats, steering wheel etc, it is also much,much sharper to drive.If your 1999 RB5 is as fast as this car, then its also as fast as the Focus RS then, and the Golf R. The A45 AMG is £10k more than the Subaru - a full 30% price difference (the difference between a Cayman and a 911 I might add, or a 911 Turbo S and a 488GTB)
The RB5 PPP with 237bhp is quoted as 5seconds to 60mph but the RS would muller it after 60. The standard WRX STi is quoted at 5.7 seconds which just seems a bit slow for a 300bhp awd car and slower than the 19 year old car. I wasn't really comparing to this special edition as nobody is likely to ever drive one.
Don't get me wrong, like the WRX STi a lot but to be desireable in this sector Subaru need to up their game and make them sharper and faster like they used to.
Ahbefive said:
The RS is a full second faster to 60mph than the WRX STi and the Golf R DSG is a similar pace although for me auto boxes are not fun. The RS interior certainly looks and feels much better than the Subaru with more modern tech/infotainment and better seats, steering wheel etc, it is also much,much sharper to drive.
The RB5 PPP with 237bhp is quoted as 5seconds to 60mph but the RS would muller it after 60. The standard WRX STi is quoted at 5.7 seconds which just seems a bit slow for a 300bhp awd car and slower than the 19 year old car. I wasn't really comparing to this special edition as nobody is likely to ever drive one.
Don't get me wrong, like the WRX STi a lot but to be desireable in this sector Subaru need to up their game and make them sharper and faster like they used to.
However, the Japs are mental, and any quoted performance figures need to be taken with a large pinch of salt. It depends who mapped it, and how p1ss3d / hungover they were on the day. I’ve driven the current STI, and a couple of earlier STI models, I’ve driven the current RS ( which is pretty much the Subaru CS400, in a different dress, with some marketing BS chucked in for good measure) and it’s pretty gash in comparison to be fair. I’ve not driven ze Germans, so I can’t comment on them, but given the Japs propensity for crazyness, dependant on mood, I reckon this STI, will be a lot of fun.The RB5 PPP with 237bhp is quoted as 5seconds to 60mph but the RS would muller it after 60. The standard WRX STi is quoted at 5.7 seconds which just seems a bit slow for a 300bhp awd car and slower than the 19 year old car. I wasn't really comparing to this special edition as nobody is likely to ever drive one.
Don't get me wrong, like the WRX STi a lot but to be desireable in this sector Subaru need to up their game and make them sharper and faster like they used to.
GOATever said:
However, the Japs are mental, and any quoted performance figures need to be taken with a large pinch of salt. It depends who mapped it, and how p1ss3d / hungover they were on the day. I’ve driven the current STI, and a couple of earlier STI models, I’ve driven the current RS ( which is pretty much the Subaru CS400, in a different dress, with some marketing BS chucked in for good measure) and it’s pretty gash in comparison to be fair.
Sounds like total gibberish to me. stybar said:
Why buy a car with no sound deadening, harsh suspension, no touchscreens, parking aids, cruise etc. All for the sake of maybe 0.5 seconds off a 0-60 when you could have it all in say a golf r or a45 and a smidgen slower in 0-60?
Thats my opinion anyway, shoot me down if you like.
Its not so much for the sake of quoting statistics like 0-60, its for the sake of handling and driving involvement - which is only appreciated by a minority, other people who don't prioritise that (or don't understand it) will follow the thinking you outlined. Thats my opinion anyway, shoot me down if you like.
0-60 isn't a very significant stat IMO anyway, some manufacturers might choose gear ratios to favour it for marketing while others might choose ratios for overall performance and driving behaviour that compromise 0-60 (for example by having another gearchange just below 60).
Incidentally, here in NZ the STi is a good 25% cheaper than the Golf R too.
Edited by GravelBen on Friday 16th November 22:37
crispyshark said:
Hmm, are you sure about that? Having owned multiple old school scoobies and also a 2016 Golf R, i'd say the Golf with a DSG box will outstrip the WRX STI fairly easily.
The DSG for sure, I meant the manual one. I get a 350 hp manual Golf R would be neck and neck with the 296 hp DSG one up to 100 mph, so thats an unfair comparison. Ahbefive said:
The RS is a full second faster to 60mph than the WRX STi and the Golf R DSG is a similar pace although for me auto boxes are not fun. The RS interior certainly looks and feels much better than the Subaru with more modern tech/infotainment and better seats, steering wheel etc, it is also much,much sharper to drive.
The RB5 PPP with 237bhp is quoted as 5seconds to 60mph but the RS would muller it after 60. The standard WRX STi is quoted at 5.7 seconds which just seems a bit slow for a 300bhp awd car and slower than the 19 year old car. I wasn't really comparing to this special edition as nobody is likely to ever drive one.
Don't get me wrong, like the WRX STi a lot but to be desireable in this sector Subaru need to up their game and make them sharper and faster like they used to.
I'm not sure why the STI is quoted at 5.7s when even a 'bad' 0-60mph run from a magazine had that dash at like 5.2s or so. The RB5 PPP with 237bhp is quoted as 5seconds to 60mph but the RS would muller it after 60. The standard WRX STi is quoted at 5.7 seconds which just seems a bit slow for a 300bhp awd car and slower than the 19 year old car. I wasn't really comparing to this special edition as nobody is likely to ever drive one.
Don't get me wrong, like the WRX STi a lot but to be desireable in this sector Subaru need to up their game and make them sharper and faster like they used to.
In a comparison test b/w Focus RS, STI and manual Golf R, the Focus RS was a single tenth faster to 60 than the STI, and the Golf was a few 10ths slower.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-foc...
Thats What She Said said:
Subaru really have lost their way. This looks pig ugly, and still has the dog awful EJ25 in it.
Come on Subaru. Time for a rethink.
The looks of the scoob have always been subject to the marmite test, and I’ll concede that the EJ25 is ( and always has been ) a deeply flawed design, however there is such a great cult / aftermarket / passionate tuning community around them, this isn’t a massive issue. The fact remains that the scoob ( with un equal headers for the ‘burble’ ) is still one of the few cars that will raise a smile from me, because although it’s ‘hairy arsed’ it elicits a big smile, and smiles per hour beats miles per hour for me, every time.Come on Subaru. Time for a rethink.
GOATever said:
PK0001 said:
Subaru quoted 0-60 is 5.2 secs
Most magazines inc EVO quoted 4.8 secs
Amazing machines
The Scoobs are are relatively ‘agricultural’, in comparison to the others, but I actually like hairy arsed cars.Most magazines inc EVO quoted 4.8 secs
Amazing machines
Other cars may have ambient lighting and damped grab handles but the Scooby has three limited slip differentials.
That's how focused the engineering in these cars is.
The German car bias on this forum is getting a little tiresome IMO, but I guess that’s representative of the UK population overall. Yawn.
Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about radar guided cruise control and parking cameras/sensors, lane change warnings and traction control. Unnecessary weight and complexity.
Peak Subaru for me was 2005-06 and I keep going back to their products from that time.
Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about radar guided cruise control and parking cameras/sensors, lane change warnings and traction control. Unnecessary weight and complexity.
Peak Subaru for me was 2005-06 and I keep going back to their products from that time.
rossub said:
The German car bias on this forum is getting a little tiresome IMO, but I guess that’s representative of the UK population overall. Yawn.
Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about radar guided cruise control and parking cameras/sensors, lane change warnings and traction control. Unnecessary weight and complexity.
Peak Subaru for me was 2005-06 and I keep going back to their products from that time.
the "peak Subaru was 1995/1999/2006" sentiment on this forum is also getting a little tiresome for me, especially for those who haven't driven a current gen STI. Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about radar guided cruise control and parking cameras/sensors, lane change warnings and traction control. Unnecessary weight and complexity.
Peak Subaru for me was 2005-06 and I keep going back to their products from that time.
You should check out the current model - certainly its not quite as feelsome as those earlier models, but it doesn't understeer nearly as much, and the chassis is much more rigid.
BlackPrince said:
rossub said:
The German car bias on this forum is getting a little tiresome IMO, but I guess that’s representative of the UK population overall. Yawn.
Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about radar guided cruise control and parking cameras/sensors, lane change warnings and traction control. Unnecessary weight and complexity.
Peak Subaru for me was 2005-06 and I keep going back to their products from that time.
the "peak Subaru was 1995/1999/2006" sentiment on this forum is also getting a little tiresome for me, especially for those who haven't driven a current gen STI. Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about radar guided cruise control and parking cameras/sensors, lane change warnings and traction control. Unnecessary weight and complexity.
Peak Subaru for me was 2005-06 and I keep going back to their products from that time.
You should check out the current model - certainly its not quite as feelsome as those earlier models, but it doesn't understeer nearly as much, and the chassis is much more rigid.
I wanted and tried to get into a new late model STi before they were axed. It would have taken the most minimal of persuading but nothing was made easy or simple. My nearest dealer dropped the brand franchise while I was looking to buy - which meant the next nearest one was a 100 mile round trip away - and it was uncertain whether they were going to retain the brand franchise as well. Hardly confidence inspiring. Virtually no finance options, no extended warranty availability, no service plan availability. It was like a lesson in removing all incentives from a potential buyer. All of that coupled with the fact that I knew it would always be a roll of the dice with the 2.5 meant I walked away not to look back again. Shame, but that's it, the STi is dead and buried in the UK.
MuscleSaloon said:
Whether you like German vehicles or not one thing is certain - they have made a big effort and have been rewarded with big success.
I wanted and tried to get into a new late model STi before they were axed. It would have taken the most minimal of persuading but nothing was made easy or simple. My nearest dealer dropped the brand franchise while I was looking to buy - which meant the next nearest one was a 100 mile round trip away - and it was uncertain whether they were going to retain the brand franchise as well. Hardly confidence inspiring. Virtually no finance options, no extended warranty availability, no service plan availability. It was like a lesson in removing all incentives from a potential buyer. All of that coupled with the fact that I knew it would always be a roll of the dice with the 2.5 meant I walked away not to look back again. Shame, but that's it, the STi is dead and buried in the UK.
Thats unfortunate that Subaru provides such a bad dealer experience. Here in North America (and specifically in Canada, where I live), my dealer experience has been terrific. Such a shame that in the land of Subaru bobble hats and Colin McRae, Subaru has basically gone the way of the dodo (to say nothing of Mitsubishi's shameful lineup) I wanted and tried to get into a new late model STi before they were axed. It would have taken the most minimal of persuading but nothing was made easy or simple. My nearest dealer dropped the brand franchise while I was looking to buy - which meant the next nearest one was a 100 mile round trip away - and it was uncertain whether they were going to retain the brand franchise as well. Hardly confidence inspiring. Virtually no finance options, no extended warranty availability, no service plan availability. It was like a lesson in removing all incentives from a potential buyer. All of that coupled with the fact that I knew it would always be a roll of the dice with the 2.5 meant I walked away not to look back again. Shame, but that's it, the STi is dead and buried in the UK.
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